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Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by Alkworld » Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:33 pm

Moved rule details discussion from the Bug forum to a new thread:
As written over there, the old transfer restrictions are back in place, below is a list with the currently set values. Here's how to read it:
- There are always values for minimal skill (e.g. MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MIN_CLIMBING), so riders with skill >= that value are considered. Please note, that the number is usually one higher than in the old manual FAQ (> 83 is practically the same as >= 84)
- then there are numbers for the max number of riders with that restriction, e.g. MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2 means you can have max 2 riders with 84+ climbing skill. Transfers for further 84+ climbers would be blocked, if you already have 2
- everything named YOUNG applies to riders <= 23 years
- all rules are according to the old FAQ / manual, except (everything here open for discussion):
- skill for sprint leaders starts with 89, adapting to recent developments
- skill for young pave leaders starts with 75.1, raised by 2
- rule for pave leaders wasn't there before

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        // definition of min / max values
        $MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MIN_CLIMBING = 84;
        $MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $YOUNG_MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MIN_CLIMBING = 72;
        $YOUNG_MOUNTAIN_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $CLIMBER_MIN_CLIMBING = 81;
        $CLIMBER_MAX_RIDERS = 5;
        $YOUNG_CLIMBER_MIN_CLIMBING = 68;
        $YOUNG_CLIMBER_MAX_RIDERS = 5;
        $SPRINT_LEADER_MIN_SPRINT = 89;
        $SPRINT_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $YOUNG_SPRINT_LEADER_MIN_SPRINT = 75;
        $YOUNG_SPRINT_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $ALLROUNDER_MIN_CLIMBING = 78;
        $ALLROUNDER_MIN_TIMETRIAL = 70;
        $ALLROUNDER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $YOUNG_ALLROUNDER_MIN_CLIMBING = 66;
        $YOUNG_ALLROUNDER_MIN_TIMETRIAL = 61;
        $YOUNG_ALLROUNDER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $COBBLES_MIN_COBBLES = 81.1;
        $COBBLES_MAX_RIDERS = 2;
        $YOUNG_COBBLES_LEADER_MIN_COBBLES = 75.1;
        $YOUNG_COBBLES_LEADER_MAX_RIDERS = 2;

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Re: Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by cataracs » Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:09 pm

I'm against the whole limitation thing. What's the point of it? wasn't it made just to stop the farmer teams? then should add a "if team's riders<10" or something like that.

If it's to make races more balanced, then classics should be given the biggest limitations instead. The only unblanaced races usually are when someone have 5 classics and two climbers...The limiations can also be set in the race inscription instead.

Pavés should be an exception. If someone build a pavés team then they're probably very weak in other specialties and wait for the pavés races for a long period of time, no need to punish them.

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Re: Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:58 am

cataracs wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:09 pm
I'm against the whole limitation thing. What's the point of it? wasn't it made just to stop the farmer teams? then should add a "if team's riders<10" or something like that.

If it's to make races more balanced, then classics should be given the biggest limitations instead. The only unblanaced races usually are when someone have 5 classics and two climbers...The limiations can also be set in the race inscription instead.

Pavés should be an exception. If someone build a pavés team then they're probably very weak in other specialties and wait for the pavés races for a long period of time, no need to punish them.
I'm supporting this. Especially the pavé thing. There is no need to limit this (same with TT skill, didn't check whether this is limited or not).

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Post by Robyklebt » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:17 am

Do you understand how the limits work and what they are there for?
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Re: Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by cataracs » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:34 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:17 am
Do you understand how the limits work and what they are there for?
I just wrote what I understand from it. Enlighten me.

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Re: Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by Radunion » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:28 pm

I never understood how young riders are defined here?

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Post by Alkworld » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:55 pm

Radunion wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:28 pm
I never understood how young riders are defined here?
Clear now? See first post.

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Post by Radunion » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:28 pm

I should read carefully I know. So I need 4 years difference, three if I buy the last as a 21 year old.

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Re: Rider Limitations on the transfermarket

Post by Radunion » Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:12 pm

I will question whether the rules work as intended. I bought one young climber and one young allrounder (tour rider). As the tour rider now has 75 climbing with 22, I am no longer allowed to buy a climber. But I could have bought two riders and an allrounder at the same time. It is not an urgent issue for me (as I could buy a climber next month if I had the money), but this is clearly not the intention of the rule.

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