Le Tour 2025

[olmania]

WOuld it be possible to put these stages in preview in calendar in game ? So we could do a review of the key parts / important climbs in advance in the coming days if needed ? Thanks !

[Tukhtahuaev]

[Schartner Bombe]

WOuld it be possible to put these stages in preview in calendar in game ? So we could do a review of the key parts / important climbs in advance in the coming days if needed ? Thanks !

all stages which are designed you can look at in editor? or what do you mean?

[Schartner Bombe]

Et17 Le Tour: Bollène > Valence
flat, length 160, mintact km145.

[olmania]

WOuld it be possible to put these stages in preview in calendar in game ? So we could do a review of the key parts / important climbs in advance in the coming days if needed ? Thanks !

all stages which are designed you can look at in editor? or what do you mean?

Not everybody know this not convenient way to check this. It's easier when it's visibles directly in the calendar

[Gipfelstuermer]

TDF in preview mode now.

You can add the profile codes in the respective race.

[olmania]

Thanks Gip !

Quick check for tonight, as the short climbs and auto design don't work well together :

Stage 1 : should be 185kms (check last km if it went ok there)

Notre Dame de Lorette Climb is steeper. website says 1km @7.6%, here I found 1.1km @7.8% : https://mycols.app/en/climb/cote-de-not ... nt-nazaire
So, a 8% would be better.
Mont Cassel, the cobble section is : 1400m of cobbles, then no cobbles for 250m, then cobbles again for approx 250m. so it makes sense to have 2kms of cobbles; and having the second one with only * makes sense imo. but I'd go with the first km with ** and second one *; not the other way around. I hand designed the climb, 4/4 or 4/3 make both sense.
Mont des Cats is not easy to design : https://mycols.app/en/climb/mont-des-ca ... waersvelde But 1/4 seems a bit light imo.
Mont Noir is somehow ok like that, even if it could have a little bit more gradient.


Stage 2 :

Côte du Haut Pichot, 9% is ok; I'd have done 10%, I think it's better : https://climbfinder.com/fr/montees/le-m ... e-landaque
Côte de St Etienne au Mont : website says 1km @ 10.6%; so a 11% ? Unsure about which road they take, seems to be that one : https://climbfinder.com/fr/montees/mont ... ue-pasteur still less steep that the one just next to it : https://climbfinder.com/fr/montees/mont ... ene-varlin
Côte d'Outreau : 8% looks ok.
Last km : 4% is fine imo cause it gives a tiny chance to block and have a sprint there in RSF. But according to the real slope, a 5% could make sense. If 4%; maybe the km before should be a 1%, not a 0%


Stage 3 :
Mont Cassel is the only key point of that stage.
Looks a bit steeper than what your drew : https://climbfinder.com/fr/montees/mont-cassel-oxelaere maybe 4-5% ? Official website says only 3.8% average, maybe cause it counts some flatish part at the bottom (even downhill there), or at the top. About 500-600m of ** pavé in the last km (with 300m wthout pavé inbetween). Could make sense to have * on the last km of the climb maybe ?
Apart that, probably too many 0% in the first part, but that's not really important.


Stage 8 : should be one more km : 171kms.
Final kms are a bit hillier than what you draw I think. I'd go for 3/0/-2/3 for the final 4kms.

Stage 9 : stage should be 174km. the IS seems to be at km23.5.

Stage 11 : Côte de Corronsac, I'd have done a 7% instead of a 6% there.
Last climb, Côte de Pech David. There is an issue, on the same route, official website says 800m @ 12.4% while flamme rouge says 0.8km @9.3%; quite a difference and quite in impact on the RSF race if we go for a 10 or a 8 or 9%. I did the hand design and I get a 100m d+ in 950m. So a 10% as Tukh did looks good I think.

Stage 17 : I think Col du Pertuis on the official website shows a bit too much of average %. It can be redesigned a bit better maybe with these : https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... 03?climb=8 and https://climbfinder.com/fr/montees/col- ... -dieulefit mainly cause KOM on 2% does not make sense there. Second climb has maybe more 3% than 2% near the top, but not a big deal. 5% max there is good.

[Bugatti]

Some stages with long mintacts, 10km at flatstages should be okay.
St1 km 174
St2 km 200
St8 km 160 (km 155 only 4% = no sieb)
St11 km 143 (should be better than km136)
st12 km 168 (if it is at the first hill, we will ride 1h with the mintact - 30km downhill or flat)
st17 km 150

[team fl]

Some stages with long mintacts, 10km at flatstages should be okay.
St1 km 174
St2 km 200
St8 km 160 (km 155 only 4% = no sieb)
St11 km 143 (should be better than km136)
st12 km 168 (if it is at the first hill, we will ride 1h with the mintact - 30km downhill or flat)
st17 km 150

Same but a bit different:

St1: last 10 km or do it from km 139 (which would be the sensible decision regarding this km's impact on the race)
St2: km 194 makes no sense, so either at km 200 or, even better, at km 179
St3: possible sieb at km 147, would put the min tact there. Otherwise 10 km mintact sounds ok.
St8: km 160 sounds fine
St11: km 112 sounds best. Decisive part of the stage (at least on paper) starts there. If not that early, I don't see why 143 should be better than 136, from a tactical point of view. Anyway, how is this stage considered flat (by the Tour de France).
St12: It's not a hill, it's a pretty hard mountain, hence 122 is much more sensible in my opinion.
St17: agree, 10km mintact more than enough

[olmania]

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[olmania]

The final circuit is tricky. 9/6 is ok I guess, 8/6 could be a bit better maybe ?
But the issue with your design is in the first lap. There should be a flatish part between the 4cat kom and 3cat kom, but as it's really short, we could ignore it maybe. and the % of the second km of the climb has to be the same, and the one before the same or with -1% maybe. I'd go for something like 2/4/8/6 with KOM on 4% and then 6%. The short climb km 185 has to be a 6% (or at least a 5%). and then balance the downhill to get an even circuit as the top of the first 3cat KOM is also the finish line

[Schartner Bombe]

The final circuit is tricky. 9/6 is ok I guess, 8/6 could be a bit better maybe ?
But the issue with your design is in the first lap. There should be a flatish part between the 4cat kom and 3cat kom, but as it's really short, we could ignore it maybe. and the % of the second km of the climb has to be the same, and the one before the same or with -1% maybe. I'd go for something like 2/4/8/6 with KOM on 4% and then 6%. The short climb km 185 has to be a 6% (or at least a 5%). and then balance the downhill to get an even circuit as the top of the first 3cat KOM is also the finish line

did you do it by hand again OL?
found this for the last 17km - its the link from Hansa - looks good for the first

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here the last 2km climb are around 9% and 4% - but both drawings dont fit together I see

[Schartner Bombe]

The final circuit is tricky. 9/6 is ok I guess, 8/6 could be a bit better maybe ?
But the issue with your design is in the first lap. There should be a flatish part between the 4cat kom and 3cat kom, but as it's really short, we could ignore it maybe. and the % of the second km of the climb has to be the same, and the one before the same or with -1% maybe. I'd go for something like 2/4/8/6 with KOM on 4% and then 6%. The short climb km 185 has to be a 6% (or at least a 5%). and then balance the downhill to get an even circuit as the top of the first 3cat KOM is also the finish line

or this ones for Village and Guerledan

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[olmania]

mhh, yes, maybe I drew the finish line when doind it by hand a little too early when I compare it with such profiles; maybe that's why. difficult to know what's best with such short distances and % differences; from a profile to another. anyway, the spirit of 1st km steeper than the second one is the key. but yeah, if that's this flat til the finish line, then 6% for last km might be too much. I let you check where the finish line seems to be; as some profiles say 1.9kms, others 2.2kms ... that's the key

[Schartner Bombe]

mhh, yes, maybe I drew the finish line when doind it by hand a little too early when I compare it with such profiles; maybe that's why. difficult to know what's best with such short distances and % differences; from a profile to another. anyway, the spirit of 1st km steeper than the second one is the key. but yeah, if that's this flat til the finish line, then 6% for last km might be too much. I let you check where the finish line seems to be; as some profiles say 1.9kms, others 2.2kms ... that's the key

Now I've redrawn the last 18km in a GPX designer, and I won't do it for other stages—it takes too much time—it's like reverse glass painting—but I've decided to do it like this:
1st cat.4: 4%, 4%
1st to 2nd cat.3: 9%, 5%

[olmania]

mhh, yes, maybe I drew the finish line when doind it by hand a little too early when I compare it with such profiles; maybe that's why. difficult to know what's best with such short distances and % differences; from a profile to another. anyway, the spirit of 1st km steeper than the second one is the key. but yeah, if that's this flat til the finish line, then 6% for last km might be too much. I let you check where the finish line seems to be; as some profiles say 1.9kms, others 2.2kms ... that's the key

Now I've redrawn the last 18km in a GPX designer, and I won't do it for other stages—it takes too much time—it's like reverse glass painting—but I've decided to do it like this:
1st cat.4: 4%, 4%
1st to 2nd cat.3: 9%, 5%

Good !
Hand designing the key parts when it's tricky; and making the decision with that info + all other info available elsewhere (with criticism when needed) is a good choice and something I try to do as often as possible.

[Gipfelstuermer]

TDF stages 16, 20 & 21... is anybody working on them already?

If not, I might find some time today or tomorrow.

[team fl]

Just for planning: The last stage has three 6% climbs during the last 30 kms, the last around 6 km before the finish line, right?

[Hansa]

Just for planning: The last stage has three 6% climbs during the last 30 kms, the last around 6 km before the finish line, right?

yes with pave even
so 6* most likely maybe we get a 5* could depend on the designer but i would guess on 6*

[team fl]

Just for planning: The last stage has three 6% climbs during the last 30 kms, the last around 6 km before the finish line, right?

yes with pave even
so 6* most likely maybe we get a 5* could depend on the designer but i would guess on 6*

Ha, chance to gain 3 min with the Fürst on his opponents

[Hansa]

Last stage done, what do we do with the GPM on Montmartre? we cant set it on the hill as we have pave there, do we just skip it or put it a km later?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Last stage done, what do we do with the GPM on Montmartre? we cant set it on the hill as we have pave there, do we just skip it or put it a km later?

1km later is sensible.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Anyone still fine-tuning any profiles? Or ready to be published?

@ TDM
@ Schartner
@ OL
@ Tuk
@ Hansa

Btw, really nice collaboration from 5 designers !

[Tukhtahuaev]

I don't plan to change anything. Would be nice to have more climb details on the official page to check things, but can't find anything