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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by cataracs » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:59 pm

I have a point!
Previous December Tour dates:
  • 05.12.2016
  • 04.12.2017
  • 03.12.2018
  • 02.12.2019
So for this year...it should be 01.12.2020!!!

And, The RSF/C4F Classics, the Cat3's should have the same dates as last year!

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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Hanse » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:42 pm

cataracs wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:59 pm
I have a point!
Previous December Tour dates:
  • 05.12.2016
  • 04.12.2017
  • 03.12.2018
  • 02.12.2019
So for this year...it should be 01.12.2020!!!

And, The RSF/C4F Classics, the Cat3's should have the same dates as last year!
No it should be the 7th december because its always the first monday in december.
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by team fl » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:48 am

You guys need an updated draft, or is that enough orientation for you? I guess the main open point now is the suggestion for classic races in the offseason anyway. RKL?
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:15 pm

Related of off season but not only, so I posted here.

I had a look today on the one day race DB. It is a bit a mess, but ok I tried to focus on fantasy "new races" only and to class them by localisation. I put some comment about what maybe names and cobbles problems, races that don't seems finished but I surely missed some of them.

Anyway, I don't know if that will help, but you can find everything in the link below.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =485473360
You need to check a race ? Check below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =260535546

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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by team fl » Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:52 am

As the December Tour thread is open already, I also start the discussion here.

Also feel free to start the discussion about offseason classics in this thread: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... =37&t=5342

So here is the first draft of the offseason calendar 2021/22 to serve as a basis for a discussion:
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:51 pm

team fl wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:52 am
As the December Tour thread is open already, I also start the discussion here.

Also feel free to start the discussion about offseason classics in this thread: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... =37&t=5342

So here is the first draft of the offseason calendar 2021/22 to serve as a basis for a discussion:

Thanks for the first draft, Team FL! Good to have you organise the off-season!

Some questions:
1) Tour des Pavés --> Who is designing that or is it going to be a competition?
2) Small Tour in early November --> Perhaps allow one rest day before Andes?
3) Small Tour in late November --> 3 RSF Classics parallel to it is intended?

Some ideas:
1) Cyclocross: Has become way more popular recently thanks to MVDP, WVA, Pidcock and others..., especially the races after Christmas including the World championship. The races are typically very short (25-50km), based on 4-6km laps. It's not really our usual format, and it's even a challenge designing them, e.g. obstacles we can't really implement. But we could implement the gravel & hills to make it interesting. We can also have a ranking for the series of cyclocross races (in the forum as ingame nothing will happen). It would be 10 races in total. To summarize, it could be a fun way to implement some popular races but my main motivation for this idea is that very short races could attract players who normally don't play much RSF in winter.

https://cyclocross24.com/calendar/2021- ... /?class=C1

2) Gravel Races: Races like Unbound Gravel, the Belgian Waffle Rides or Badlands have become popular events as well. They are usually very long (200-300k or even more) and include many stretches of gravel. Similar to Strade Bianche or Gravel and Tar, but less focussed on pro racing... Most of them happen in the summer, but that is when we are busy with UCI road racing. So we could instead select the most interesting ones and ride those. Again, there is a challenge in designing them (might have to cut some of them short or split into 2-3 one day races), but would be a nice new feature and could attract some players. We could also have a ranking for the gravel series in the forum (similar as the idea for cyclocross).

https://www.unboundgravel.com/
https://belgianwaffleride.bike/
https://www.transiberica.cc/badlands/

These are really just ideas. Maybe 10 cyclocross races (on real dates) and 8 gravel races (2 for each month from Oct - Jan) could be a possibility. I offer to design them and create a ranking in the forum.

What do you think? If you like the idea, we'd just have to select some dates and put the races in your column "Race 2". You can also reject these ideas if you think they are stupid. I have enough to design with Andes and December Tour :D
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by team fl » Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:56 pm

Some questions:
1) Tour des Pavés --> Who is designing that or is it going to be a competition?
2) Small Tour in early November --> Perhaps allow one rest day before Andes?
3) Small Tour in late November --> 3 RSF Classics parallel to it is intended?
ad 1) I have no idea. So far, i haven't thought about a competition, but if there is enough time, why not.

ad 2) Thought about that too, but as far as I won't ride the Andes... ;). But seriously, it sounds reasonable.

ad 3) As far as I set them there, yes, it's intended. I think that teams who don't ride stage races should have nice races too. But of course, as everything else, that's up for discussion.

Your other ideas are best discussed in an own thread I'd say, for a general discussion and not specifically about the offseason calendar.
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by team fl » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:23 pm

I am sorry, but still being very laz... ehm very busy. I hope the calender guys can use the current draft for their planning.
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:19 pm

Why this idea to design Cyclocross races?
1.) Cyclocross has become very popular thanks to Stybar, van der Poel, van Aert, Pidcock and others
2.) We have less players these days, esp. when it's long 180km+ one day races in parallel to tours
3.) The races can be designed in an interesting way without making them too extreme

--> Short races can be interesting for teams who have little time in off-season.

What is Cyclocross?
- Cyclocross races are typically happening on a 3-5km technical lap
- The lap can include mud, grass, gravel, sand and obstacles
- Riders ride 5-10 laps, totalling typically 20-40km (the rule is to finish after 60min riding)

Where do you find information about the course?
https://cyclocross24.com typically has a map + a video.
Example here: https://cyclocross24.com/race/heusden-zolder/

How do you design that in RSF?
- 1km remains 1km
- Normal road remains normal road
- Climbs/Downhill remain Climbs/Downhill
- Gravel, grass, mud normally become *
- Deep mud or sand or obstacles become ** (some judgement is necessary here)
- Never go beyond ** to make the races not too pavé friendly
- Bridges can increase the steepness of a km, esp. the spectacular high bridges (like in Ostend last year).
- Of course some interpretation is necessary and also trying to create some variation in the courses (of course could do 0* 0* 0* 0* for each course but would be too boring).
- The strongest rider type should be sprinters, but there should be some possibility to attack and to sieb (some ** and sometimes hills up to +5/+6). This is in line with cyclocross, where strong sprinters (like van Aert and van der Poel) who can survive hills and obstacles are the most successful riders

27.12.: Superprestige Heusden-Zolder
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... den_zolder
Lap: +1* -2** +1** 0
Description: Start and Finish is on the Dutch race track "Circuit Zolder" known from Formula 1 races, so the finish is clearly a 0. But the circuit goes wildly through some surrounding forest, so there we have a bit of up and down and difficult terrain.
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/race/heusden-zolder/
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 33min

29.12.: Superprestige Diegem
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... nen=diegem
Lap: 0* +3 -2** -1**
Description: Riders first go through a small technical part (the 0*) then up a hill through the city of Diegem (that's the +3) and then through a more difficult technical part (-2** -1**).
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/race/diegem/
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 36min

30.12.: Azencross
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... =azencross
Lap: +1 0** 0** -1
Description: The course starts and ends on the Brechtesweg, which is a normal street. In the middle part, the race mainly goes through deep deep mud. There are a few bumps and bridges, but not too much. The main challenge is the deep mud, so I put 0** 0**.
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/de/race/loenhout/
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 32min

Remaining Calendar
01.01. GP Sven Nys
22.01. Flandriencross
30.01. UCI World Championships Fayetteville
06.02. Krawatencross
12.02. Superprestige Gavere
13.02. Brussels Universities Cyclocross
20.02. Internationale Sluitingsprijs Oostmalle
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:54 pm

Ok ok, I'll put them on... right date.

But to be honest I'm not too big a fan of having very similar very short races every other day, 27-29-30, then later more. Especially since I don't see how the c4f engine can really simulate that properly. How many riders per team btw? But ok, will be on. If I don't forget...

But thinking about having other races the same day too. Kind of like with the ITT and TTT one day races lately.
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Re: Suggestion for the offseason calendar

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:02 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:54 pm
Ok ok, I'll put them on... right date.

But to be honest I'm not too big a fan of having very similar very short races every other day, 27-29-30, then later more. Especially since I don't see how the c4f engine can really simulate that properly. How many riders per team btw? But ok, will be on. If I don't forget...

But thinking about having other races the same day too. Kind of like with the ITT and TTT one day races lately.
Cool, that's nice. And ok for me to put some parallel race. Good way to see if players like it or not. If it's successful with half decent participation (whatever that means with Christmas Tour and another parallel race), we can keep the idea. If nobody rides, we don't have to continue with these.

And yes, c4f engine wont be the best simulation here. It's more about some variety in the off season calendar and giving something to players who might have little time to play or those who follow cyclocross in real life.

Riders per team: I put 5 riders. Should be enough for such short races and keeps it somewhat close to reality where teamwork is not so decisive in these races.
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