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Hm, Bernocchi at 9 should be 8 riders. Or is it too late?

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:41 pm

Hm, Bernocchi at 9 should be 8 riders. Or is it too late?

Early enough that one

In fact it's 8 riders/team already in the in-game Editor.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:33 pm

- Tour de Vendée >>> Map here but no gpx and not on LFR yet

Still not more info. Not sure how to proceed here. Is someone already about to design it from the (very bad quality) map

Additional question: Thought that fantasy one day races usually should not have more than 8 riders. Am I wrong on that? Reason is that I just set a One Day Fantasy race at 9 riders from Roby and was just wondering.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:25 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:33 pm

- Tour de Vendée >>> Map here but no gpx and not on LFR yet

Is someone already about to design it from the (very bad quality) map

I guess that's the best option. Probably I have time for it tomorrow, design it, then publish everything that's already designed for October. A bit late, because I like publishing chronologically, but then of course stuff like Tour de Vendée leads to races being published veeeery late. Maybe a reason to downgrade that to Cat. 1, too, for 2024.

Edit: If I don't have the time tomorrow, we can ride last years version or a fantasy race. Both are valid options in such a case, I would say.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:25 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:33 pm

- Tour de Vendée >>> Map here but no gpx and not on LFR yet

Still not more info. Not sure how to proceed here. Is someone already about to design it from the (very bad quality) map

Additional question: Thought that fantasy one day races usually should not have more than 8 riders. Am I wrong on that? Reason is that I just set a One Day Fantasy race at 9 riders from Roby and was just wondering.

Vendée? I tried designing it yesterday, got pissed off by the weird thing between sprint 6+7 and gave up.

Fantasy races? Designers decision last time I checked.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:33 am

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:25 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:33 pm

- Tour de Vendée >>> Map here but no gpx and not on LFR yet

Still not more info. Not sure how to proceed here. Is someone already about to design it from the (very bad quality) map

Additional question: Thought that fantasy one day races usually should not have more than 8 riders. Am I wrong on that? Reason is that I just set a One Day Fantasy race at 9 riders from Roby and was just wondering.

Vendée? I tried designing it yesterday, got pissed off by the weird thing between sprint 6+7 and gave up.

Fantasy races? Designers decision last time I checked.

Vendee: thats what I would suspect from the map Gip was linking here. Earlier edition would be a good way out. As I don't expect it to change the characteristic of the race.

Fantasy races: If it was like that until now, it's ok. Just thought that 9 riders races are just for very important races. But makes sense in some fantasy races to do it like that. Just witnessed that after my break nearly all fantasy races are below 9 riders and thought there might be some more general rule behind that.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:06 am

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:33 am

Vendée? I tried designing it yesterday, got pissed off by the weird thing between sprint 6+7 and gave up.

Earlier edition would be a good way out. As I don't expect it to change the characteristic of the race.

Ok, 2022 edition it is. Because Map is unusable. Cat2.

Any opposition must be quick before I press the publish button around 12 CET.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:40 am

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:06 am

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:33 am

Vendée? I tried designing it yesterday, got pissed off by the weird thing between sprint 6+7 and gave up.

Earlier edition would be a good way out. As I don't expect it to change the characteristic of the race.

Ok, 2022 edition it is. Because Map is unusable. Cat2.

Any opposition must be quick before I press the publish button around 12 CET.

Think it is the best to do!

IMO shouldn't change the category, it changes little, as far as I had managed to follow it there seemed to be no siebkm either..

So opposition!

Münsterland Giro done

Lots of stuff published today.

Also designed:



A LOT of gravel. For two reasons.

1) It's the BWR with the highest % of gravel.
2.) Downhill Pavé Bug has been solved. Or at least there was an Alk/AAD attempt to solve it. So let's test it in a not too important race.

One question though: I think we created this 3km * and then ** for consecutive gravel km design philosophy when that bug was in everybody's mind. Now, gravel sectors will, on margin, become longer. Do you think we should adjust that philosophy, important for races like Strade Bianche, or leave as is even if sectors overall will become longer? No need to decide now, but maybe better to start discussion now rather than a few days before March 2024.



New route 2023 with Monte Berico described on the website as 7.1% for exactly 1km, so here +7.



Different run into Bassano del Grappa and then La Rosina and La Tisa each 1x more than last year.


Everything designed for October, finally I can start working on my favorite project: Another December Tour disqualificition

Please still watch those earlier pave bug sections and report if unplausible things happen there. Don't really know how Alk resolved it, but from knowing what caused it, there is still interpretetion on how it "should" be.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:30 pm

Lots of stuff published today.

As mentioned somewhere, there is an error in Tour de Paves, the ITT should be a half stage as well. Already published.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:18 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:30 pm

Lots of stuff published today.

As mentioned somewhere, there is an error in Tour de Paves, the ITT should be a half stage as well. Already published.

Looks ok to me? Or someone else resolved it already?

Yes I think there's a mistake in the pavés tour, I mentioned it in the calendar chat. One of the half stages isn't set as a half stage. Or maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:29 pm

Yes I think there's a mistake in the pavés tour, I mentioned it in the calendar chat. One of the half stages isn't set as a half stage. Or maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

To me it seems correct, because it says "Full/Half Stage: FirstHalfStage" and both stages are planned for the same date (which is only possible with half stages). Perhaps Alk can confirm.

Anyway, some bug-danger of course, because we never had half stages in React before. But acceptable to have that in a fantasy tour. We need to test it eventually

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:03 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:29 pm

Yes I think there's a mistake in the pavés tour, I mentioned it in the calendar chat. One of the half stages isn't set as a half stage. Or maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

To me it seems correct, because it says "Full/Half Stage: FirstHalfStage" and both stages are planned for the same date (which is only possible with half stages). Perhaps Alk can confirm.

Anyway, some bug-danger of course, because we never had half stages in React before. But acceptable to have that in a fantasy tour. We need to test it eventually

Ok then probably just a display thing that needs to be adjusted. Because the first stage in the overview doesn't have the half stage tag. Probably also wanted, but for me confusing because before, both were tagged as half stages

Actually in the "stage info" if the itt it says first half stage, so should be fine. The (half stage) just doesn't appear on the stages list like it does for the second race, maybe because it's a time trial.

Just a question on number of editions for the offseason:

Should we stay with the convention to provide ???
5 times (work days, no parallel races)
4 times (weekend OR work day with parallel stage race)

Do we expect a major drop in active teams?

Usually there is a drop, but it might have already started?

I'd be flexible and do a bit of both, see how it works, 4 edition one day, 5 the next... If with 5 we get 5 editions with 10+, stick with 5, but if not mix it up a bit, so we have bigger groups and smaller ones

Currently, without a parallel stage race, 5 editions should be good on weekdays as we have around 55-65 teams active on such days. Yesterday (50) and Monday (57) slightly lower, most likely just because of National Holiday in Germany (and Brückentag in between). Today already 47 inscribed, even though inscriptions for the evening tend to come late. Even the late evening seems to work these days with 15 teams at 22h Bernocchi and 10 Teams at 23h Binche, despite those races being around 2h long.

Some off-season drop possible, yes, so we'll have to keep observing the situation.

i realised it very late but for the NCS we again only have the random profiles?

Not the real ones (last time for swiss we had the real profile)

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:30 pm

i realised it very late but for the NCS we again only have the random profiles?

Not the real ones (last time for swiss we had the real profile)

But there are no real races now, are there

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:07 pm

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:30 pm

i realised it very late but for the NCS we again only have the random profiles?

Not the real ones (last time for swiss we had the real profile)

But there are no real races now, are there

ok if thats the reason to go back to the random onces

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:37 pm

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:07 pm

Hansa wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:30 pm

i realised it very late but for the NCS we again only have the random profiles?

Not the real ones (last time for swiss we had the real profile)

But there are no real races now, are there

ok if thats the reason to go back to the random onces

I think it is random ones for most of the RSF NCs, if there are real races and someone designs them they can always be added. Not sure if it makes sense to put in fantasy designs for some?!