Team attack Vuelta 16h
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Team attack Vuelta 16h
Hi,
actually not my business, but still someone has to report it...
clear breaking of the rules during stage 7 of Vuelta 16h at km113
Km: 113, Steigung: 0
Franz Ruttenböck (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Pierre Bourquenoud (Rasmussen) geht mit
Michael Dreier (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Armin Meier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Silvan Dillier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Pascal Koch (Jäger-LeCultre) geht mit
Viktor Radjanvi (bernardsport) geht mit
followed by
Km: 114, Steigung: 7
Sebastian Sorger (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Samuel Schwald (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
which of course was allowed.
If I remember correctly J-LC was the only manager online and just continued afterwards, everyone else was offline. He took p1 and p2, decided gc and what else, don't know, it doesn't matter anyway.
Kindly ask FPK to check this, thanks, and have a nice weekend
actually not my business, but still someone has to report it...
clear breaking of the rules during stage 7 of Vuelta 16h at km113
Km: 113, Steigung: 0
Franz Ruttenböck (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Pierre Bourquenoud (Rasmussen) geht mit
Michael Dreier (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Armin Meier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Silvan Dillier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Pascal Koch (Jäger-LeCultre) geht mit
Viktor Radjanvi (bernardsport) geht mit
followed by
Km: 114, Steigung: 7
Sebastian Sorger (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Samuel Schwald (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
which of course was allowed.
If I remember correctly J-LC was the only manager online and just continued afterwards, everyone else was offline. He took p1 and p2, decided gc and what else, don't know, it doesn't matter anyway.
Kindly ask FPK to check this, thanks, and have a nice weekend
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Stage 15 another team attack? I wasnt online, so I cant say if he dropped some riders...
Km: 54, Steigung: -5
Aaron Webb (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Km: 53, Steigung: -2
Daniel Paradis (Rasmussen) schafft es nicht an die Spitze
Km: 52, Steigung: 3
Km: 51, Steigung: 5
Samuel Schwald (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Sebastian Sorger (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Km: 50, Steigung: 2
Michael Dreier (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Silvan Dillier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Pascal Koch (Jäger-LeCultre) geht mit
Vladimir Kralev (Herakles) geht mit
Nedko Todorov (Herakles) geht mit
Franz Ruttenböck (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Km: 54, Steigung: -5
Aaron Webb (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Km: 53, Steigung: -2
Daniel Paradis (Rasmussen) schafft es nicht an die Spitze
Km: 52, Steigung: 3
Km: 51, Steigung: 5
Samuel Schwald (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Sebastian Sorger (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Km: 50, Steigung: 2
Michael Dreier (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Silvan Dillier (Rasmussen) geht mit
Pascal Koch (Jäger-LeCultre) geht mit
Vladimir Kralev (Herakles) geht mit
Nedko Todorov (Herakles) geht mit
Franz Ruttenböck (Jäger-LeCultre) attackiert
Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
fpc is reviewing this case
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
Hallo,
sorry my english is not very good.
can we discuss this in German?
In Stage 15 Ruttenböck was falling at the Team Attack. (I saw and reported in chat - ruttenböck fall)
In Stage 7 i´m not sure! I ask in the chat, nobody online, rasmussen also had 3 riders in front.
- it was not all the whole race offline, on my question in the chat no one answered - even later not in the race
sorry my english is not very good.
can we discuss this in German?
In Stage 15 Ruttenböck was falling at the Team Attack. (I saw and reported in chat - ruttenböck fall)
In Stage 7 i´m not sure! I ask in the chat, nobody online, rasmussen also had 3 riders in front.
- it was not all the whole race offline, on my question in the chat no one answered - even later not in the race
Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
Lazy Luques has a question, how is the 3rd rule in other languages?
Because in the first team attack, Rasmussen follows with 3 in the same km, as for "italian" rules it should be not penalized, but that translation can be misleading.
Because in the first team attack, Rasmussen follows with 3 in the same km, as for "italian" rules it should be not penalized, but that translation can be misleading.
Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
I was not sure about stage 7 - I asked
- rassmusen was also with 3 here
- then dropped one (a wrong one) and started up again with him
- All offline, the p1, p2 I had done anyway
- In addition, I asked in the chat, but did not get an answer - no later or the next day
- I did not even ride with the rider (all were off)
- when I wanted to hang Maier, I rode, because I was persecuted (rassmusen)
- I wrote in the chat that would be enough for me 2 min - I then kept it (could have ridden faster)
I know that it was a Team Attack (I have read it after stage 7) but I won the race anyway.
There was no intention behind it, so I apologized immediately at the second time and let Ruttenböck fall.
Anyway, it was a mistake of mine.
Can you post the link regarding fairplay penalties?
Thank you
Jäger-LeCultre
- rassmusen was also with 3 here
- then dropped one (a wrong one) and started up again with him
- All offline, the p1, p2 I had done anyway
- In addition, I asked in the chat, but did not get an answer - no later or the next day
- I did not even ride with the rider (all were off)
- when I wanted to hang Maier, I rode, because I was persecuted (rassmusen)
- I wrote in the chat that would be enough for me 2 min - I then kept it (could have ridden faster)
I know that it was a Team Attack (I have read it after stage 7) but I won the race anyway.
There was no intention behind it, so I apologized immediately at the second time and let Ruttenböck fall.
Anyway, it was a mistake of mine.
Can you post the link regarding fairplay penalties?
Thank you
Jäger-LeCultre
Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
There is no Link like that.
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
I'm not sure but I thought I saw something when I started (about 1 year ago).
Can deceive me as well
Can deceive me as well
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
Hello,
meanwhile I got the penalty. This is of course ok, since it was my mistake! There is nothing to doubt about that.
But:
In the sense of transparent decision-making, I would be very happy if I get some information about this.
How is the sum made up?
What was punished? (Stage 7, 15?)
Were other managers punished in this case? (if not, why not, if so, how high and in which relation it is my punishment)
Kind regards
Jäger-LeCultre
meanwhile I got the penalty. This is of course ok, since it was my mistake! There is nothing to doubt about that.
But:
In the sense of transparent decision-making, I would be very happy if I get some information about this.
How is the sum made up?
What was punished? (Stage 7, 15?)
Were other managers punished in this case? (if not, why not, if so, how high and in which relation it is my punishment)
Kind regards
Jäger-LeCultre
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
veramente, Luques?
3. Attacco di squadra concatenato, questo accade quando più di 2 corridori dello stesso team attaccano o contrattaccano un'altro corridore nello stesso km partendo dallo stesso gruppo. Questa regola non si applica se l'attacco è di più di 10 ciclisti (essendo di almeno quattro squadre diverse,) oppure il gruppo da cui attaccano ha,al momento degli attacchi,meno di 15 ciclisti. Inoltre non si applica a nei km con pendenze uguali o superiori al 4% ,e negli ultimi 20 chilometri di gara. Nessuna esenzione per i giocatori che non sono in linea!
Sono 3 a seguire, e`team attac di entrambi, mi sembra abbastanza chiaro!
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Re: Team attack Vuelta 16h
Il problema è che si tratta di seguire UN altro corridore, cosa che potrebbe indurre in errore facendo pensare che puoi contrattaccare con 2 un corridore e contrattaccare con 1 un altro corridore.
Cioè può sembrare che il vincolo sia solo nei follow su un corridore e non sui follow massimi per quel km.
Cioè può sembrare che il vincolo sia solo nei follow su un corridore e non sui follow massimi per quel km.
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Diciamo che la tua e`un interpretazione molto "politichese"...ti vedrei bene con Renzi alle prossime elezioni...
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