Team attack Turkey 10am

[Alkworld]

Team attack (chained attack, < 4%, 27km before the end, 10 riders in total) by SV Furpach, Alkworld (myself) and Semper Fidelis, two flat riders were used for tempo afterwards (one Semper Fidelis, one SV Furpach), two Semper Fidelis staged a later attack (using the other two riders) to win the stage and thus change the outcome of GC. Only noticed the team attack a few km before the 2nd attack.

Km: 178 (of 205), Steigung: 2
Amedeo Avogadro (SV Furpach) attackiert
Amadeo Sanchez (spinner) geht mit
Martin Chambi (Alkworld) geht mit
Hanno Weidenfeller (Semper Fidelis) geht mit
Willie Luan (SV Furpach) attackiert
Sanyi Lacza (Semper Fidelis) geht mit
William Turner (Alkworld) geht mit
Godwin Ligo (SV Furpach) geht mit
Dayer Herrada (Kelme-Movistar) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Eloy Palacios (Alkworld) geht mit
Gyasi Zardes (Semper Fidelis) geht mit

spinner: i followed with one...what did i do wrong?
Semper Fidelis: mhh yes tought the one tried to follow was the 11th sry
Kelme-Movistar: berry...did you passed a wheel?
Alkworld: Alkworld: I count only ten riders and more than 20km before the finish
Alkworld: explained below
Semper Fidelis: why illegal
Alkworld: member of the fairplay committee as far as I remember?
Alkworld: Semper Fidelis?
Kelme-Movistar: What would be the following for this stage?
SV Furpach: thats rigt, semper, spinner stop please
Alkworld: but then this attack is also illegal
SV Furpach: if it was , it was my mistake, sorry
Alkworld: two Saarländers too much
SV Furpach: ???
Alkworld: I count only ten riders and more than 20km before the finish
Alkworld: it was an illegal team attack, wasn't it?

[Rexona]

My fault, recognize too late that it was a Team attack and that only 10 riders followed. You can set our Grp back in GC Time

[Kelme-Movistar]

I was 5th on this stage and 1st of the peloton.

I would prefer following:
a ) set back the group to the end of peloton
b ) the result starts with 5th place ( there will be no winner and no bonifications in finish )
c ) all collected points of the stage will keep ( without the group result in finish )

Would this be possible?

Please no neutralization of the whole race or until a sepcific point.

If not, I could live with the illegal attack, if nothing changes positive for all other Teams and their riders.

[Rexona]

I was 5th on this stage and 1st of the peloton.

I would prefer following:
a ) set back the group to the end of peloton
b ) the result starts with 5th place ( there will be no winner and no bonifications in finish )
c ) all collected points of the stage will keep ( without the group result in finish )

Would this be possible?

Please no neutralization of the whole race or until a sepcific point.

If not, I could live with the illegal attack, if nothing changes positive for all other Teams and their riders.

thats not an Option..
Cancel the complete finish or remove our escape grp some time back in GC those 6 sec they were in front

[luques]

Seems you still need to talk about it, the only thing you agree is removing the gc advantage of that group. 6''? There weren't boni for the finish?

For sure I won't change all the result for that, especially because if the team attack was found earlier, other teams would organize differently, for example dropping one. As well as money, it would be a mess giving more here removing there (unless you have some precise ideas).

Points not a problem to change but how?

Let me know more precise, at least you simplify my job.

[Rexona]

do how you feel it like luques but simply the best idea would be to cancel the complete finish and bring lanca 6+10 sec back in time

[Alkworld]

01. 00:00:00 Sanyi Lacza (Semper Fidelis)
02. 00:00:00 Willie Luan (SV Furpach)
03. 00:00:00 Gyasi Zardes (Semper Fidelis)
04. 00:00:00 Amadeo Sanchez (spinner)
05. 00:00:06 Gianluigi Bart (Kelme-Movistar)

According to the result above (Bart was 1st in peloton 6s behind the group), GC times should to be corrected as follows:
Lacza -16s
Luan -12s
Zardes -10s
Sanchez -6s

[Kelme-Movistar]

Alkworld,

What's about places, points and credits?

[Kelme-Movistar]

Please correct the points of the first four places to zero and start with points from 5th place.

It makes no sense to me to profit only gc time and let the group keep their points.

Thank you for understanding.

[luques]

The GC time was agreed by everyone. The points thing not.

I can take a decision if there is at least a majority of people who wants that, not if just 1 claims that.

If still people aren't happy when the tour ends it will be up to the FPK.

[Rexona]

Cancel all points from srage 2 or let it like it is for the moment