Campeonato de los Andes 2015

[Alkworld]

After all those flat GTs, it's time to think about something a bit more hilly, the Campeonato de los Andes. Now I don't know, if Cerro already has a Campeonato in his drawers, but I certainly don't. So my questions would be:
1) Cerro, do you have something ready?
2) If not, do you want to design one?
3) Anybody else interested?

I don't think I'll have enough time this year to produce a worthy Campeonato.

[whisbone]

If you want, i can propose a " Campeonato de los Andes ". It is ready for you, but it is my first big tour. You can tell whay your want about my race.

[Alkworld]

If you want, i can propose a " Campeonato de los Andes ". It is ready for you, but it is my first big tour. You can tell whay your want about my race.

Yes please Just have a look at the old editions of the Campeonato to get a feel for the spirit of it. And be careful with the maps in South America, as they are not always as good as they should be. And if you have questions or need some hints, don't hesitate to ask the forum here.

[whisbone]

Here is my proposition for the « Campeonato de los Andes 2015 »
Today i present the first week in South America
:
Campeonato de los Andes 2015
Half stage 1a: Antofagasta - Juan Lopez ( Chile ) Flat 62 kms
Half stage 1b: TTT Antofagasta ( Chile ) TTT Flat 30 kms
Stage 2: Antofagasta -Tocopilla ( Chile ) Flat 196kms
Stage 3: Tocopilla - Chanavayita ( Chile ) Hilly 201kms
Stage 4: Iquique - Mamina ( Chile ) Mountain 142kms
Stage 5: Pozo Almonte - Caleta Camarones ( Chile )Flat 168kms
Stage 6: Tiliviche - Arica ( Chile ) Mountain 192kms
Stage 7: Tacna - Moquegua ( Peru ) Mountain 194kms
Stage 8: Torata - Arequipa ( Peru ) Mountain 238kms
Rest day


First day in Antofagasta


Stage 1a



Stage 1b TTT


Stage 2
We go along the Pacific coast to the North of Chile. Very flat stage


Stage 3
We continue to the north of Chile with the first hard climb of this Tour


Stage 4
We go inside Chile. Long hill from the start to finish From altitude 0m to 2700m


Stage 5
Flat stage , but long downhill before the finish


Stage 6
Last stage in Chile, Mountain. %Last kms : +8 +8 +8 +7 +5 +7


Stage 7
Welcome in Peru


Stage 8
Very Hard and long stage % last kms : 8 6 6 6 6 5 4 7 6 5


Rest Day in La Paz


I come back later, for the second part of this Tour

[whisbone]

Second week "Campeonato de los Andes 2015"

Etape 9 ITT La Paz ( Bolivia )
Hilly 18kms

Etape 10 La Paz - Cohoni ( Bolivia )
Mountain (very hard ) 160kms

Etape 11 Villa Esperanza - Escoma ( Bolivia ) Titicaca Lake
Flat 202kms

Etape 12 Escoma (Bolivia ) - Putina (Peru)
Flat 165kms

Etape 13 Ananea - Paljapampa
Mountain (very hard ) 243kms

Etape 14 San Anton- Combapata
Flat 189kms

Etape 15 Urcos - Cuzco
Hilly 163kms

Stage 9
Hilly ITT in La Paz



Stage 10
Mountain stage Last kms: % 7 9 9 12 12 8 9 6 117 6 9


Stage 11
On the road to Titicaca lake




Stage 12
From Bolivia to Peru


Stage 13
The hardest stage of this Tour


Stage 14
Flat


Stage 15
Last stage of this Tour. CUZCO

[Mangahn]

Looks like you´ve got the spriit

Stage 13 with 240 KM and KSP... puh, possible Alkworld would have done this to. ^^

How much KSP at max? I fear SM will use this to win the Anden with a classico. Not sure this is the best idea I´ve ever seen.^^

[sylvainmeteo]

Looks like you´ve got the spriit

Stage 13 with 240 KM and KSP... puh, possible Alkworld would have done this to. ^^

How much KSP at max? I fear SM will use this to win the Anden with a classico. Not sure this is the best idea I´ve ever seen.^^

Lol
I won't ride, no time for a tour I think x)

[Alkworld]

I have a few comments.
- generally, you're close to spirit of the Campeonato , but it still looks rather simple to me. I'm counting 9 flat or hilly stages (10 with TTT), but only 5 (6 with ITT) real mountain stages. I'd suggest to replace at least two flat / hilly ones by mountain stages
- I'm missing more real up-and-down-stages (something like Vuelta stages #11 and #16)
- be careful with mountain bonifications on pavé / dirt road, that hasn't yet been properly implemented by Buhmann
- one remark about naming of the races in race editor: use something like andes15_XX, that's usually the easiest for leso in the end
- finally one question about the Arica stage (#6): Is this Chile's border city with Peru? The city is right on the coast. Or are you only riding close to Arica?

But anyway, good work. If it wouldn't be the Campeonato, I wouldn't complain at all

[Robyklebt]

I do complain and would even if it was not the Campeonato, since I always complain.

Stage 12 and 14 IMO potentially kill it. Stage 12, 34 km pavé... mostly flat. How much pavé? If it's more than *, it just risks giving the GC to a classic. And even if not, it will decide the tour between climbers. IMO flat pavé really has nothing to do in the Andes. More of it in stage 14... These 2 stages simply risk making way bigger differences in the GC than all the mountains before. Depending on how much pavé there is, but even if it's only 1, which shouldn't drop anybody... still not a fan of it really.

[whisbone]

Thanks for your comments about this Tour.

I try to answer yours questions.
For the finish of stage 6 ,it is not exactly in Arica, but 20 kms on the east side ( not on west side, except if you want to swim )I can call it:
San Miguel de Azapa.
I can try to make this Tour more difficult, but i like to know the opinion of other people.

There is no cobblestones in this TOUR, sometimes, the road is like this :

Only *, except on stage 13, **

[Mangahn]

Anden is a pur Climbertour - normaly. There should be more Climberstages as told above. And it should be crazy heavy. Thats the reason I only ride it once or twice.

[Alkworld]

There is no cobblestones in this TOUR, sometimes, the road is like this :

I was using roads like this one as well and just left them as normal roads. One exception was Camino de la Muerte in Bolivia, which was 1* for historical reasons The problem is that in C4F, climbers are just way too weak in their pave skills and pave sections therefore just have a way too big impact on the race. 1* is ok and on a climb can still be interesting IMO. 2* (or more) impacts the race too much.

[whisbone]

If you like more climbers stage, i can change stage 11 and stage 12.

I can propose this :

Stage 11
Cohoni - Chacaltaya 197kms
Very hard stage . Kms 176 and 177, 10% and 17%. Last kms : 7 5 5 8 3 5 4 5 2 9 9 9 9% Altitude : 5160m




Stage 12
Acachaqui - Putina 197kms


I can delete all cobblestones roads except stage 13.

[Alkworld]

Stage 11
Cohoni - Chacaltaya 197kms
Very hard stage . Kms 176 and 177, 10% and 17%. Last kms : 7 5 5 8 3 5 4 5 2 9 9 9 9% Altitude : 5160m

That looks like a good stage for the Campeonato

[Gera]

We need more mountain stages. At the moment these are too much flat stages. It needs mountains, mountains and even more mountains. Then in between there may be quietly sometimes a flat stage to the regeneration of the riders.

I find the cobblestones very interesting. It may not only become too selective, because this tour is, primarily, for the mountain drivers. They should be able to let off steam here properly.

[cataracs]

I wanted to do this but I'm late

[Alkworld]

I wanted to do this but I'm late

It's never too early to design next year's Campeonato

[cataracs]

It's never too early to design next year's Campeonato

True!

[Pirkio]

Can I suggest to swap race 1a with race 1b?

[Alkworld]

The first week still looks very soft, basically there are only two hard stages (6 and 8) in the first week. Wouldn't it be possible to make one of the easy stages harder? That could move the balance to something more like the typical Campeonato.

[Liquigas-CND]

Shitty campeonato 2015!!!

Who's riding Andes in the morning or afternoon?

[Robyklebt]

Shitty, shitty... do it yourself next time. Or say what you don't like earlier. Or don't worry so much, it's only a game.

[Liquigas-CND]

Of course it's only a game!

Unfortunately will be 3 teams in the morning and 4 in the afternoon....- That;s the spirit!

I am really thinking to stop playing but I am sure you all will miss my unique style and skills!

[radekdeboktor]

Why we haven't the chance to ride this Tour after 21h? I just can't understand.