Multi Accounts

[NBeullens]

What does this mean? Being a member of a group would mean there's other members, but nobody else has been fined for being a member of a group. Or does it just mean that he had many multis?

The guys who got the fines minus QUICK

Roby wrote: "All very confusing. But fascinating, we love gossip, scandals and all that cool stuff. Interesting to see the effort put into this, compared to actual sabotage a few years ago..." I like it. Would say now there was some Trumpism in it, FPC-members as hustlers

Seems like he is trying to throw Ol under the bus again or what? There was no evidence for that if it is that sabotage he is talking about. + if it is trumpism then we have to be worried cause that would mean the current FPC has shut an eye or defended a lot of their own friends

I would say with the guidelines around fines (which could be put higher in theory) the FPC has done it pretty decent. I can't really complain about the fines cause of the rules they have. Except one maybe cause the weird accounts that got banned and i think weird to prove wrong doing and innocence and such. But overall the FPC has done what was expected of them and got the information together and used it. I think correctly.

So i would say overall good job FPC (+ Admins)

Perhaps you misunderstood me? It's like Trumpism when someone responsible for fair play, as an executive, breaks the rules themselves. What did they do before this was public knowledge? Did any of them say "sorry"? I couldn't find it. Like Kings

Ah okay if it's hating on Trump i'll join you

[Schartner Bombe]

What does this mean? Being a member of a group would mean there's other members, but nobody else has been fined for being a member of a group. Or does it just mean that he had many multis?

The guys who got the fines minus QUICK

Roby wrote: "All very confusing. But fascinating, we love gossip, scandals and all that cool stuff. Interesting to see the effort put into this, compared to actual sabotage a few years ago..." I like it. Would say now there was some Trumpism in it, FPC-members as hustlers

Seems like he is trying to throw Ol under the bus again or what? There was no evidence for that if it is that sabotage he is talking about. + if it is trumpism then we have to be worried cause that would mean the current FPC has shut an eye or defended a lot of their own friends

I would say with the guidelines around fines (which could be put higher in theory) the FPC has done it pretty decent. I can't really complain about the fines cause of the rules they have. Except one maybe cause the weird accounts that got banned and i think weird to prove wrong doing and innocence and such. But overall the FPC has done what was expected of them and got the information together and used it. I think correctly.

So i would say overall good job FPC (+ Admins)

Perhaps you misunderstood me? It's like Trumpism when someone responsible for fair play, as an executive, breaks the rules themselves. What did they do before this was public knowledge? Did any of them say "sorry"? I couldn't find it. Like Kings

Ah okay if it's hating on Trump i'll join you

Ah okay you like Multies

[Hansa]

I am disgusted by some comments here teams making a mockery out of their rulebreaks while they should have been an example for their community in their role as volunteers.

I was really dissapointed in that whole situation but that now is even a step further.

I am nearly equally disgusting by attacks of some people against the (new) volunteers in the FPC who had a really hard start in their rule.

Just to point out we now had teams saying punishments might be to high other think its fine, other think the guidelines should be changed (but are not interested in openening topics about this) and other who think punishments arent enough at all.

All that aside it doesnt excuse personal attacks against volunteers in this game and accusations against them.

Additionally we have some accusation now in this thread that doesnt belong here (unrealistic arrangements comments here) which should get their own thread and shouldnt be part of this discussion.

I am really glad that i announced to the admins, when we started to build the new FPC, that i will stop being a FPC member, after the new members get used to the Fairplayarea, due to my own time issues because with this situation, personal attacks on FPC Members, i feel like i would have stopped anyways.

[Schartner Bombe]

I am disgusted by some comments here teams making a mockery out of their rulebreaks while they should have been an example for their community in their role as volunteers.

I was really dissapointed in that whole situation but that now is even a step further.

I am nearly equally disgusting by attacks of some people against the (new) volunteers in the FPC who had a really hard start in their rule.

Just to point out we now had teams saying punishments might be to high other think its fine, other think the guidelines should be changed (but are not interested in openening topics about this) and other who think punishments arent enough at all.

All that aside it doesnt excuse personal attacks against volunteers in this game and accusations against them.

Additionally we have some accusation now in this thread that doesnt belong here (unrealistic arrangements comments here) which should get their own thread and shouldnt be part of this discussion.

I am really glad that i announced to the admins, when we started to build the new FPC, that i will stop being a FPC member, after the new members get used to the Fairplayarea, due to my own time issues because with this situation, personal attacks on FPC Members, i feel like i would have stopped anyways.

What I was talking about is that those who made decisions in the FPC and are now "multi" certainly aren't doing the game's credibility any favors. But many see it differently. Maybe we can say, "It's a game like this." But then say so. I mean the teams who got fined. they say nothing and go on tomorrow.

[Pokemon Club]

Well I am lazy and don't have time at the moment so I don't read everything my personal feeling here is that too much people in the game take the game too seriously.
Things are to me are quite clear, we have rules they need to be respect. If we have cheaters they have to be punish.
If people cheat again we can punish them again.
If cheaters don't leave the game it is that they love the game but punishments aren't enough dissuasive to stop people to cheat.
We can review guideline inside fpk or with all the community to try not have this issue again.
Just to remember to people like others activities being in fpk take times, the time to review the situation, to find the correct sanction to vote. Never forget that we aren't available all at the same time.
Currently I am in holidays with 2 kids, family came from far, driving hours mostly all so not a lot of time to focus a lot.
I consider that people can do mistake, that they like the game, that all can change his mindset and have a second chance, especially just for a game.
I can be kind and tolerant but I am not stupid and others members of fpk are not stupid too.
If people think they can repeat actions that go against the game like that they are wrong.
Seeing the same people breaking the rule just break my balls as hell.
Surely we need to remember the rule, maybe they need to see it first at every connexion or at least to have it more visible.
But repeat cheating, repeat insulting, repeat harrasment, or every actions going the game or the community and you
won't finish with only less money ingame.

[Radunion]

I fully understand you point Hansa. I thought about volunteering for the FPC a few times but always thought it better for my own sanity not to do it. I personally would prefer a harder line against verbal attacks, especially against FPC members, enforcing this and judging how for the community wants this to go is very hard. We are losing nice managers because of the climate we tolerate, but could lose other managers if they think we are going too far. I believe feedback from the community is important for the FPC, I would like to have more of it, but understand that more work for volunteers is not the best idea. The same is true for FP threads that are ignored. I short explanation why it isn't take up would be nice, but I understand the work that would cause as well.

[Obk]

I fully understand you point Hansa. I thought about volunteering for the FPC a few times but always thought it better for my own sanity not to do it. I personally would prefer a harder line against verbal attacks, especially against FPC members, enforcing this and judging how for the community wants this to go is very hard. We are losing nice managers because of the climate we tolerate, but could lose other managers if they think we are going too far. I believe feedback from the community is important for the FPC, I would like to have more of it, but understand that more work for volunteers is not the best idea. The same is true for FP threads that are ignored. I short explanation why it isn't take up would be nice, but I understand the work that would cause as well.

Totally understand it's bad if threads don't get answered in some days or even totally ignored. New fpc took some time to get into work and maybe we could need even some more volunteers (without having talked about that in the fpc, just an Idea). As you said, more work is not always a good idea, but I would still support the idea of some community feedback on fine guidelines!