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June 2026

Post by Zappes Raiders » Fri May 15, 2026 12:35 pm

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CALENDAR PLANNER NOTE:

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June 2026

Races to be designed:
Tour de Wallonie >>> Zappes
Tour Auvergne - Rhône-Alpes >>> Zappes (started)
Tour de Suisse
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

Races to be checked:
Mercan'Tour Classic Alpes-Maritimes >>> Gip
Heistse Pijl >>> Zappes
Brussels Cycling Classic
Circuit Franco-Belge
Dwars door het Hageland
Copenhagen Sprint
Elfstedenronde
GP Gippingen
Andorra Classica
Trofeo Citta di Brescia

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BLUE = Designer found
GREEN = DONE

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I have designed my first Race. Maybe someone can check :)
Its Heistse Pijl - I am not sure about the cobbles. I chose ** after checked it on Google Maps. The climb is 1 2
There seem to be no IS/KOM on the way

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Re: May 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Fri May 15, 2026 12:56 pm

Zappes Raiders wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:35 pm
I have designed my first Race. Maybe someone can check :)
Its Heistse Pijl - I am not sure about the cobbles. I chose ** after checked it on Google Maps. The climb is 1 2
There seem to be no IS/KOM on the way

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My hometown race! Looks great. Last 100ish km are all in Heist-op-den-Berg, the city. I would replace those labels with "Heistse Berg", the name of the actual climb. ** definitely works there, good that it is 2% in that case, cause a 3%** would make it unrealistically hard for the sprinters to hang on.
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Re: May 2026

Post by Zappes Raiders » Mon May 18, 2026 11:47 am

I designed Tour de Wallonie - at least Stage 1 to 4 as it seems Stage 5 is not revealed yet. Will do it as well as soon as there is something available.

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I used CAT3/4 instead of 1/2 as it seems to match the real classification better.
As they always use circuits in the final part of the stages the length slightly vary to match the real circuits as good as possible. The climbs are often steep but very short (~500m) so it is difficult to match the real climbs perfectly. I have tried to modiy it slightly in decisive parts to better match a short 11% climb in the final part of a race.

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Re: May 2026

Post by Zappes Raiders » Wed May 20, 2026 2:54 pm

Zappes Raiders wrote:
Mon May 18, 2026 11:47 am
I designed Tour de Wallonie - at least Stage 1 to 4 as it seems Stage 5 is not revealed yet. Will do it as well as soon as there is something available.

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I used CAT3/4 instead of 1/2 as it seems to match the real classification better.
As they always use circuits in the final part of the stages the length slightly vary to match the real circuits as good as possible. The climbs are often steep but very short (~500m) so it is difficult to match the real climbs perfectly. I have tried to modiy it slightly in decisive parts to better match a short 11% climb in the final part of a race.
Now the final stage was released as well. Adapted Redoute to the profile in previous LBL editions where it was 7 10
The final is 5 -1 -6 2 as it seems the finish line is a view hundred meters behind the bottom of the downhill

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P.S.: Also started designing Rhone Auvergne Alps (previous Dauphine)

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Re: May 2026

Post by flockmastoR » Wed May 20, 2026 3:22 pm

Zappes Raiders wrote:
Wed May 20, 2026 2:54 pm
You are in the wrong topic (ok June topic doesn't exist yet, but still), infor you want to design it is good, but profiles maybe wait for the June one.
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Re: May 2026

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu May 21, 2026 11:34 am

Falcor CC wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:56 pm
Zappes Raiders wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:35 pm
I have designed my first Race. Maybe someone can check :)
Its Heistse Pijl - I am not sure about the cobbles. I chose ** after checked it on Google Maps. The climb is 1 2
There seem to be no IS/KOM on the way

Image
My hometown race! Looks great. Last 100ish km are all in Heist-op-den-Berg, the city. I would replace those labels with "Heistse Berg", the name of the actual climb. ** definitely works there, good that it is 2% in that case, cause a 3%** would make it unrealistically hard for the sprinters to hang on.
Thanks for preparing this, Zappes.

One note, with real one day races, it is always good to compare with previous years, too:
- If the race is identical >>> You can reuse last year's profile
- If there are small changes >>> You can clone and adapt with small changes
- If there are big changes >>> New design needed
So here, six ascents of the Heistse Berg, same run-in, almost identical? But no KOMs this year - maybe there never were KOMs? You could be right.

Then with the Heistse Berg itself. I would be curious to know how you arrived at 1** 2**.

I was lazy and looked at last year's profile:
- Previously we had this as 3* only. Of course OK to change it if it makes sense
- How long is the Berg? Is it 2km or 1km? Have never been there, but I think it's actually around 1km?
- How much elevation gain has it? 32m according to la-flamme-rouge.
--> So to me it would point more to the +3 instead of +1 +2
For the pave:
- How long is the cobble section? According to la-flamme-rouge it's 500m. Correct?
- If that's correct, how rough are the cobbles? You seem to agree ** but if it's only 500m / not 1km, make it * only?

So probably I would keep it 3* :D
Now question, does it match what happens in real life? Last years' winners Magnier, Kristoff, Kooij. All basically pure sprinters? Now in-game multiple ** probably make it too hard for pure sprinters, especially with the last section shortly before finish. So I would probably keep it 3*. What do you think?
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Re: May 2026

Post by Falcor CC » Thu May 21, 2026 11:49 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Thu May 21, 2026 11:34 am
Falcor CC wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:56 pm
Zappes Raiders wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:35 pm
I have designed my first Race. Maybe someone can check :)
Its Heistse Pijl - I am not sure about the cobbles. I chose ** after checked it on Google Maps. The climb is 1 2
There seem to be no IS/KOM on the way

Image
My hometown race! Looks great. Last 100ish km are all in Heist-op-den-Berg, the city. I would replace those labels with "Heistse Berg", the name of the actual climb. ** definitely works there, good that it is 2% in that case, cause a 3%** would make it unrealistically hard for the sprinters to hang on.
Thanks for preparing this, Zappes.

One note, with real one day races, it is always good to compare with previous years, too:
- If the race is identical >>> You can reuse last year's profile
- If there are small changes >>> You can clone and adapt with small changes
- If there are big changes >>> New design needed
So here, six ascents of the Heistse Berg, same run-in, almost identical? But no KOMs this year - maybe there never were KOMs? You could be right.

Then with the Heistse Berg itself. I would be curious to know how you arrived at 1** 2**.

I was lazy and looked at last year's profile:
- Previously we had this as 3* only. Of course OK to change it if it makes sense
- How long is the Berg? Is it 2km or 1km? Have never been there, but I think it's actually around 1km?
- How much elevation gain has it? 32m according to la-flamme-rouge.
--> So to me it would point more to the +3 instead of +1 +2
For the pave:
- How long is the cobble section? According to la-flamme-rouge it's 500m. Correct?
- If that's correct, how rough are the cobbles? You seem to agree ** but if it's only 500m / not 1km, make it * only?

So probably I would keep it 3* :D
Now question, does it match what happens in real life? Last years' winners Magnier, Kristoff, Kooij. All basically pure sprinters? Now in-game multiple ** probably make it too hard for pure sprinters, especially with the last section shortly before finish. So I would probably keep it 3*. What do you think?
Notes from my side: Heist-"on-the-mountain" is all uphill (and then downhill ofc). The climb itself isn't that steep gradient wise, so 2% would be fine for that km, 3 as well. I would keep the 1% the km before though, but now that you mention it, no cobbles there. The run up to the climb is definitely false flat, so 1% is fine, but the climb itself (max ~1km from whichever of the 6 sides) is the only place in the city where there's pavé :).

In conclusion: 1% first km, then 2/3% next km both fine. No cobbles on the 1%, could be * or ** on the climb km depending on the designer. Agree it's for the sprinters, but the cobbles is definitely the hardest part about the climb, and they're not in good condition.
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Re: June 2026

Post by Robyklebt » Thu May 21, 2026 12:35 pm

Wallonnie is only 1-5 (not 1-6)
Ex Dauphine is 7-14 (not 8-14)
Elfstedenronde ist cancelled.
Muur Classic Geraardsbergen ist on the 14th. Parallel to Copenhagen Sprint and Gippingen. Keep Copenhagen alone there makes sense, but IMO then Gippingen and Geraardsbergen both on the 15th better than 15+16

As cat 4 Brussels should be 9 riders

Wallonnie 5 editions for me seems possibly 1 too many, might be just me though. Right after the Giro won't immediately go to the next stage race, maybe others do, don't know. Anyway, would have thought 4 is enough for that.

Trofeo Citta di Brescia should be restricted to D6. Would make sense to restrict those cat 1 races (1.2 UCI) to D6. (Like monuments (and cat 5 one day races) will most likely be limited to 1-5 again with more teams around now. At least that seemed to be what most wanted (in the future) when it came up during monuments 26 discussions (that was before the wave) In offseason we can open those real cat 1 races up, but inseason... D6
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Re: June 2026

Post by Nomorelulz » Thu May 21, 2026 1:22 pm

Not sure if for Wallonie 8h AND 10h is a good idea, if we go for 5 tours (which I think with new players make sense), then its best to have the additional edition at the evening. For giro we even had a split at 20h with 3 editions from 18 - 22.

So maybe 9-15-19-21-23? its similar to Dauphinee but I think it makes sense.

Did we ever had 2 morning editions for a tour? I think thats too much.

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Re: May 2026

Post by Zappes Raiders » Thu May 21, 2026 1:57 pm

Falcor CC wrote:
Thu May 21, 2026 11:49 am
Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Thu May 21, 2026 11:34 am
Falcor CC wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:56 pm
Zappes Raiders wrote:
Fri May 15, 2026 12:35 pm
I have designed my first Race. Maybe someone can check :)
Its Heistse Pijl - I am not sure about the cobbles. I chose ** after checked it on Google Maps. The climb is 1 2
There seem to be no IS/KOM on the way

Image
My hometown race! Looks great. Last 100ish km are all in Heist-op-den-Berg, the city. I would replace those labels with "Heistse Berg", the name of the actual climb. ** definitely works there, good that it is 2% in that case, cause a 3%** would make it unrealistically hard for the sprinters to hang on.
Thanks for preparing this, Zappes.

One note, with real one day races, it is always good to compare with previous years, too:
- If the race is identical >>> You can reuse last year's profile
- If there are small changes >>> You can clone and adapt with small changes
- If there are big changes >>> New design needed
So here, six ascents of the Heistse Berg, same run-in, almost identical? But no KOMs this year - maybe there never were KOMs? You could be right.

Then with the Heistse Berg itself. I would be curious to know how you arrived at 1** 2**.

I was lazy and looked at last year's profile:
- Previously we had this as 3* only. Of course OK to change it if it makes sense
- How long is the Berg? Is it 2km or 1km? Have never been there, but I think it's actually around 1km?
- How much elevation gain has it? 32m according to la-flamme-rouge.
--> So to me it would point more to the +3 instead of +1 +2
For the pave:
- How long is the cobble section? According to la-flamme-rouge it's 500m. Correct?
- If that's correct, how rough are the cobbles? You seem to agree ** but if it's only 500m / not 1km, make it * only?

So probably I would keep it 3* :D
Now question, does it match what happens in real life? Last years' winners Magnier, Kristoff, Kooij. All basically pure sprinters? Now in-game multiple ** probably make it too hard for pure sprinters, especially with the last section shortly before finish. So I would probably keep it 3*. What do you think?
Notes from my side: Heist-"on-the-mountain" is all uphill (and then downhill ofc). The climb itself isn't that steep gradient wise, so 2% would be fine for that km, 3 as well. I would keep the 1% the km before though, but now that you mention it, no cobbles there. The run up to the climb is definitely false flat, so 1% is fine, but the climb itself (max ~1km from whichever of the 6 sides) is the only place in the city where there's pavé :).

In conclusion: 1% first km, then 2/3% next km both fine. No cobbles on the 1%, could be * or ** on the climb km depending on the designer. Agree it's for the sprinters, but the cobbles is definitely the hardest part about the climb, and they're not in good condition.
I have checked the cobbles on google maps before and they seemed to look nasty, so I decided to ** - but I agrre this would probably make it unrealistic hard for sprinters so probably more a * (I will change that)

The difference in gradiant most likely comes from the length of the climb which is something between 1 and 2k in total. I am fine with 1 2 or 3 only. I will go with the 3* as last year.

Side Note: You are right. I havent checked the previous editions for this race. I have done that for other races I designed

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