team attack by Elaska - Northeim - Bocksberg - 23:00 CET

[ATB - Racing]

Km: 117, Steigung: -6
Youssef Metawea (Elaska) attackiert
Mohsen Hamada (Elaska) attackiert
Norbert Kolodziejczyk (O Imperdor) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Fernando Agostinho (O Imperdor) geht mit
Sigurður Josefssson (FB Radsport Team) geht mit
Omar Chibani (Elaska) geht mit
Vincent Roy (BB Breakers97) geht mit
Shavkat Sodiqov (FB Radsport Team) geht mit
John Duffy (O Imperdor) geht mit

initial group were 23 riders.

Youssef Metawea was in front of the other guys and won.

nothing fits here

3. Chained Attacks. Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.

noone mentioned it in the chat.

FB Radsport Team(00:31): Good night! Thanks for playing!
BB Breakers97(00:30): gw and good night to you all
FB Radsport Team(00:23): FB declares the same replacement in the FB team
Elaska(00:22): See u soon
Elaska(00:22): Good night guys
BB Breakers97(00:13): Team BB declares that they will replace the tactical manager 🫣
FB Radsport Team(00:13): Yes, Gw. Well done-
O Imperdor(00:10): Gw rlaska
BB Breakers97(23:56): someone to help in Front?
FB Radsport Team(23:45): yes!
O Imperdor(23:44): New?
FB Radsport Team(23:06): ))
BB Breakers97(23:04): sleeping is a nice hobby - i hope i can resist
Elaska(23:02): Holà
BB Breakers97(23:01): hi there
FB Radsport Team(22:46): Hi, good evenong! Also not interested in sleeping? ;.)
O Imperdor(22:38): Hi

[Elaska]

Oh you got a point there. Guess since it was a 4 team peloton Noone really paied attention to that.

But this case is interesting to discuss.
Since they did not ended in the same group, which one has to drop? The one in front? Or One of the 2 in 2nd group?

For the second case which one has to drop? The strong classic? The useless Flatie?
What's the tolerance time of reaction there? Since there was 2 km Noone reacted behind, than an attack, and I ended catching the 2nd group by the peloton.

Hmm would really like some feedbacks there.


And what was the last discussion about 'incline'?? Up and down? Or incline meant only for up?

[Alkworld]

And what was the last discussion about 'incline'?? Up and down? Or incline meant only for up?

Incline can be positive or negative, >= 4% only means positive, i.e. on climbs with 4% or more.

[flockmastoR]

Oh you got a point there. Guess since it was a 4 team peloton Noone really paied attention to that.

But this case is interesting to discuss.
Since they did not ended in the same group, which one has to drop? The one in front? Or One of the 2 in 2nd group?

For the second case which one has to drop? The strong classic? The useless Flatie?
What's the tolerance time of reaction there? Since there was 2 km Noone reacted behind, than an attack, and I ended catching the 2nd group by the peloton.

Hmm would really like some feedbacks there.


And what was the last discussion about 'incline'?? Up and down? Or incline meant only for up?

≥4% is clear. It was clear before as well just allagen playing the fool over a decade ago was "the last discussion".

About whom do drop: from my perspective dropping one rider no matter whom is acceptable under the following conditions without any further thought:
a) The rider didn't ride after the attack
b) The drop is within a proper reaction time (just a few km)

In all other cases it depends if the other teams in the race and/or the FPC see am influence on the race by the improper reaction of the team attack.

And just to say it: you clearly have enough experience to recognize a team attack when it happens

[flockmastoR]

Ok after watching the replay now some thoughts.

The one rider attacking and being in front of all others continues and wins the race.
The other riders of elaska do nothing and are caught by the peloton 7km after the team attack but they interfere in the race by still following the attack after at km 120.

IMO being in the group 2 with 2 riders and having a 67 there and following with both influenced the way how the group behave. I dont know if the km after the attack was a sec trick out of tempo or if the others there just slept. Elaska himself caught the group 2 while having 2 riders sucking there. So I think it had influence on the outcome of the race or at least potentially on how the other group members behave (they see Elaska there with 3 and the best climber thinking we will go for it first, riding in the back while sucking with 2 riders later)

[Elaska]

≥4% is clear. It was clear before as well just allagen playing the fool over a decade ago was "the last discussion".

About whom do drop: from my perspective dropping one rider no matter whom is acceptable under the following conditions without any further thought:
a) The rider didn't ride after the attack
b) The drop is within a proper reaction time (just a few km)

In all other cases it depends if the other teams in the race and/or the FPC see am influence on the race by the improper reaction of the team attack.

And just to say it: you clearly have enough experience to recognize a team attack when it happens

OK for the incline.

I guess Noone was paying attention at that moment. Even harder on those little fields and Noone mentioned it.

I think there was 2km of black out where nothing happened.
If noticed I would just have dropped the Flatie and chased immediately with the peloton.

[Tukhtahuaev]

FPC is investigating the case