May 2025

[olmania]

I did it according to the road book, unsure it's all perfect.
That race is not in the list of the official races in the editor. You can add it / link it.

[Robyklebt]

Time for finalizing?

Also what about Romandie? Stage 1 IMO is a big problem, and crystal clear that there shouldn't be a 6% there. Stage 3 is more complicated, but well, last km shouldn't be a 6 either.

As for the Giro, Siena stage, made my point, but can't resist some short answers:

White road are selective, that can't be only *.

They are not really selective in the flat parts. And in hills * actually is selective. As in downhills, which we have bugged.

Then it is teams that decide how passive or agressive they want to ve.

Yes, yes, fantastic thought. Now think a bit further and you realize that's equally true on * pavé as gravel imitation. Teams decide. Or on a completely flat stage. Or on a hard mountain stage. Or in any race. So a non-argument.

In all case you don't change how to draw the same road during a season, if we want to try something else for white road we can wait next year, or test it on fantasy race

So we should say no to flexibility?
Well, a 6% was changed to a 5%. Not allowed then? Even if a thorough analysis would show that 5% fits better?(not the case on that km I think) Actually both Serravalle and the following gravel sector, have different percentages than the same sectors in Strade Bianche. Why haven't you demanded the adaption there if this here was really an argument and not just an attempt to shut down any changes?

Also our current STrade Bianche design 'resets' after the downhill break, restarts with * before going to **. Would be at least one step towards sanity to have that, makes the race a bit less fantasy, a bit less "......" (there's that word that I can't find, put that here if somebody finds it)

[Pokemon Club]

Time for finalizing?

Also what about Romandie? Stage 1 IMO is a big problem, and crystal clear that there shouldn't be a 6% there. Stage 3 is more complicated, but well, last km shouldn't be a 6 either.

As for the Giro, Siena stage, made my point, but can't resist some short answers:

White road are selective, that can't be only *.

They are not really selective in the flat parts. And in hills * actually is selective. As in downhills, which we have bugged.

Then it is teams that decide how passive or agressive they want to ve.

Yes, yes, fantastic thought. Now think a bit further and you realize that's equally true on * pavé as gravel imitation. Teams decide. Or on a completely flat stage. Or on a hard mountain stage. Or in any race. So a non-argument.

In all case you don't change how to draw the same road during a season, if we want to try something else for white road we can wait next year, or test it on fantasy race

So we should say no to flexibility?
Well, a 6% was changed to a 5%. Not allowed then? Even if a thorough analysis would show that 5% fits better?(not the case on that km I think) Actually both Serravalle and the following gravel sector, have different percentages than the same sectors in Strade Bianche. Why haven't you demanded the adaption there if this here was really an argument and not just an attempt to shut down any changes?

Also our current STrade Bianche design 'resets' after the downhill break, restarts with * before going to **. Would be at least one step towards sanity to have that, makes the race a bit less fantasy, a bit less "......" (there's that word that I can't find, put that here if somebody finds it)

I am for correcting mistakes not for having x different interpretation of the same climb / difficulty each 2 months. I didn't check it more so I don't know what is better or not.

[Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

[olmania]

Stage 4 has pavé, see previous years circuit should be similar roads; maybe even quite identical stage.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Giro times... Feedback inconclusive but I came to some conclusions...

4 vs. 5 editions... tough call.... so I looked at the numbers. April 2024 and April 2025, we actually have very very similar stats (around 120 teams with points and around 100 teams logged in per day). Therefore, I keep it at 4 editions, like last year. Larger fields are much better than smaller fields for Grand Tours.

Now, times:

Morning: No feedback. So 9 it is.
Afternoon: Not enough requests for 15 to change it as last year was 15 already. (high chance for TDF at 15 then)
Late evening: Not enough requests for 22 to change it as last year was 22 already. (high chance for TDF at 22 then)
Early evening: 18 questioned by two people, but with late evening at 21, I think 18 is fine. (very high chance for TDF at 19 or 20 then)

Otherwise, tried to add a bit more diversity in terms of times as requested by RKL and would also encourage Taka to have some variety in fantasy races (even easier there as they are cat.1, can sometimes be very short, etc.), even with rare times like 11/12/13 and 16/17 and 23.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Eschborn-Frankfurt looks very similar to last year. 3kms less. Maybe just 3kms less at the start; might also be a little difference around km120. Totally fine to use last year profile imo.

Thanks.

I updated because second descent from Feldberg changed:

[Gipfelstuermer]

Lotto Famenne Ardenne Classic done

Thanks. Same circuit and same final as last year? Looks like you copied that part from last year. If yes, perfect

[Gipfelstuermer]

Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin no info yet, should be the same as past year.

Tour du Finistère only 168kms this year, same final circuit. Will design it if I have time.

Grand Prix du Morbihan is the same.

Tro-Bro Léon : a few differences; a nice rating of gravel sectors is available now. Won"t be easy, but will re design if I have time.

Pah, I fear, according to LFR, both Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin and Grand Prix du Morbihan decided to change their route vs 2024... grrrr....

Let me know which of these one day races you have time for. I can try to help with some of them.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

Thanks. Under Editor > Race Editor > ID 12,457 Race Name 4 Jours de Dunkerque .... you can change the stage type, stage name, mintact etc.

Regarding the problem with stage 3, what's the error message? Is the gpx not working at all or is it just because the circuit is not going reaching the same height? In that case, you just need to check the circuit, where some +1 / -1 in the profile would make sense.

[olmania]

Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin no info yet, should be the same as past year.

Tour du Finistère only 168kms this year, same final circuit. Will design it if I have time.

Grand Prix du Morbihan is the same.

Tro-Bro Léon : a few differences; a nice rating of gravel sectors is available now. Won"t be easy, but will re design if I have time.

Pah, I fear, according to LFR, both Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin and Grand Prix du Morbihan decided to change their route vs 2024... grrrr....

Let me know which of these one day races you have time for. I can try to help with some of them.

Idk where they found info about Boucles de l'Aulne, but if they are right, only the first circuit has changed. Also, one less lap of the final lap ? and 1 more lap of the medium circuit ? really not much impact on the race; I let you adapt it if you have time/motivation for it !

Kind of the same for Morbihan, the start looks a bit different, but same final circuit ! Even less important changes than Boucles de l'Aulne there.

I'm afraid to not have time to do the changes before the month change.

[ECS Cycling]

Lotto Famenne Ardenne Classic done

Thanks. Same circuit and same final as last year? Looks like you copied that part from last year. If yes, perfect

Yep, just the first section is different

[Pokemon Club]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

Pay attention missing cobbles on stage 4 on Cassel

[Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

Pay attention missing cobbles on stage 4 on Cassel

As far as I can see it, it's not shown on the road book (it was shown on stage 2) - https://storymaps.arcgis.com/collection ... 369?item=6

[Tukhtahuaev]

Did a quick check on streetview and the final circuit certainly has cobbled parts

[Pokemon Club]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

Pay attention missing cobbles on stage 4 on Cassel

As far as I can see it, it's not shown on the road book (it was shown on stage 2) - https://storymaps.arcgis.com/collection ... 369?item=6

Yep, but it is the usual circuit on Cassel if I checked it well so it is the same as previous years.

You have these 2 sectors in the circuit usually, via Route de Dunkerque and then via Avenue Albert Mahieu.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... dc56f0ce49
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/68051

Except Cassel sometimes there is another stage with some flat cobbles too, maybe double check on the road take on stage 2 can be good

[Tukhtahuaev]

I've created 4 of 5 stages of 4 Jours de Dunkerque. Unfortunately, the GPX of the 3rd stage is rigged and I somehow can't implement a lap circuit, maybe some of the experts can check it.

Pay attention missing cobbles on stage 4 on Cassel

As far as I can see it, it's not shown on the road book (it was shown on stage 2) - https://storymaps.arcgis.com/collection ... 369?item=6

Yep, but it is the usual circuit on Cassel if I checked it well so it is the same as previous years.

Circuit looks different to me, but the Mont Cassel climb seems to be the usual one

[Bugatti]

What are the plans for the Giro with the Red Bull Points?
There are only bonus seconds on these “sprints”, on the other sprints only points?
Will these also be integrated?

The normal sprints are still missing, but I'm sure that's already known.

[Gipfelstuermer]

What are the plans for the Giro with the Red Bull Points?
There are only bonus seconds on these “sprints”, on the other sprints only points?
Will these also be integrated?

The normal sprints are still missing, but I'm sure that's already known.

We will try to implement the bonus sprints (as it worked for TDF 24 and Vuelta 24) but unfortunately not much time between Announcement and Giro start... so I cannot guarantee.

[Robyklebt]

In the meantime the Girosite has the more detailed stuff online, detailed profiles of the last kms and of important climbs.

[Alkworld]

Yep, but it is the usual circuit on Cassel if I checked it well so it is the same as previous years.

You have these 2 sectors in the circuit usually, via Route de Dunkerque and then via Avenue Albert Mahieu.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... dc56f0ce49
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/68051

Except Cassel sometimes there is another stage with some flat cobbles too, maybe double check on the road take on stage 2 can be good

Stage 3 also has two different official cobble sectors, not sure how often they are passed. The one between Quérénaing and Maing is quite long even and can be seen on StreetView. The other one (Rue de Bermerain) is shorter, but looks even rougher in StreetView. Maybe the cobble experts here know these sectors?

[olmania]

Yep, but it is the usual circuit on Cassel if I checked it well so it is the same as previous years.

You have these 2 sectors in the circuit usually, via Route de Dunkerque and then via Avenue Albert Mahieu.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... dc56f0ce49
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/68051

Except Cassel sometimes there is another stage with some flat cobbles too, maybe double check on the road take on stage 2 can be good

Stage 3 also has two different official cobble sectors, not sure how often they are passed. The one between Quérénaing and Maing is quite long even and can be seen on StreetView. The other one (Rue de Bermerain) is shorter, but looks even rougher in StreetView. Maybe the cobble experts here know these sectors?

According to flamme rouge, Quérénaing to Maing is 2.5kms long and *** 2.6kms according to the road book.
The other one, I can't find info, but I agree it looks rough. 1km at *** or **** would make sense imo. (1.1kms according to road book)

6 laps with these two sectors. so if 3kms+1km = 4kms x6 = 24kms of pavé in that stage.

I do not see pavé in stages 1,2,5.

True that circuit is slitghly different on the Cassel key stage. but the main pavé climbs are the same I think. Would be needed to check street by street to be sure. Anyway, pavé rating and % or last years can be used when the climbs/downhill are the same.

[olmania]

A few things I saw in the May Calendar :

- @ECS : can you check the tunnels in Norway tour potentially causing issues ? I see a 14% in stage 2 and a few other uncathegorized steep climbs that look suspicious. By experience, there are tunnels in that tour, and that often make the GPX files fail.

- Fantasy pavé races in the preview. There are already a few one day official pavé/gravel races in May. + the 2 stages of Dunkerque with pavé. Is it really necessary to have 2 more pavé as fantasy one day races ?

- A few races already designed are not published yet.

- 26th of may : a very long fantasy race before the start of a tour.
- 23rd of May : A TTT; nothing else with it in // ?

If I have time I can check giro stages details and update when necessary. if someone wants to do it before, feel free to do so.

[Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team]

Yep, but it is the usual circuit on Cassel if I checked it well so it is the same as previous years.

You have these 2 sectors in the circuit usually, via Route de Dunkerque and then via Avenue Albert Mahieu.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... dc56f0ce49
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/68051

Except Cassel sometimes there is another stage with some flat cobbles too, maybe double check on the road take on stage 2 can be good

Stage 3 also has two different official cobble sectors, not sure how often they are passed. The one between Quérénaing and Maing is quite long even and can be seen on StreetView. The other one (Rue de Bermerain) is shorter, but looks even rougher in StreetView. Maybe the cobble experts here know these sectors?

According to flamme rouge, Quérénaing to Maing is 2.5kms long and *** 2.6kms according to the road book.
The other one, I can't find info, but I agree it looks rough. 1km at *** or **** would make sense imo. (1.1kms according to road book)

6 laps with these two sectors. so if 3kms+1km = 4kms x6 = 24kms of pavé in that stage.

I do not see pavé in stages 1,2,5.

True that circuit is slitghly different on the Cassel key stage. but the main pavé climbs are the same I think. Would be needed to check street by street to be sure. Anyway, pavé rating and % or last years can be used when the climbs/downhill are the same.

I don't have access on lfr (do I need an account?), but for stage 4 you guys are right with the pavé according to street view. I'll correct it the next days and try again the circuit.

@Gip it showed the message with the height difference, even if I put it on the same height.

[Hansa]

I don't have access on lfr (do I need an account?), but for stage 4 you guys are right with the pavé according to street view. I'll correct it the next days and try again the circuit.

Yes free account necassry