February 2020

[luques]

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/february2020.pdf

To be designed

All done

[olmania]

I will delete the post I already created for that month.
Here's what I did a long time ago already :

I know it's early, but Besseges already online (we ride it, right ?), so I started :







Really happy to finally see Mont Bouquet in that race. The thoughest short climb in the surroundings. In general, this tour is less of a sprinter's tour this year; makes it more interesting as many different riders can be successful in a way in Besseges 2020.


Now, we need to make some decisions to know which tours we keep and draw; and which ones we cut.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I think I support Team FL view:

For February it gets a bit messy though, looking at the race calender. I can imagine something like this for February:
Stage races:

- San Juan
- Valenciana (maybe one out of Saudi Tour / Besseges / Herald Sun Tour in parallel)
- Oman / Provence
- Ruta del Sol (ends at 23)
- UAE (starts at 23, maybe Hainan in parallel)

So I think

Besseges is OK. Delete Saudi.
Provence is OK. Delete Colombia.
Ruta del Sol is OK. Delete Algarve.
UAE is OK. Forget Hainan.

Final Calendar

- San Juan (Cat.2)
- Valenciana (Cat.3) || Besseges (Cat.2)
- Oman (Cat.3) || Provence (Cat.2)
- UAE (Cat.3) || Ruta del Sol (Cat.3)

Times... difficult... Maybe 4x Valenciana, Oman & UAE and only 3x Besseges, Provence, Ruta del Sol. Evening should get a lot in my point of view. 20,21,22 are the most active hours.

[Bear]

I think 2 stage races at the same time is the maximum. Otherwise the groups will be tiny. So what Gipfelstürmer wrote would be ok with me. I dont know how you decided the last months/years which tours were kicked and which not.

Regarding times I dont know yet. 4 times each? morning - afternoon - evening - late evening are the main times which should get their time imo.

[IDF]

Maybe we could use the cancelled tours as ones to implant when there are no stage races...?

[Bear]

Hm, I dont like that. Real races should be done on the real date, or never. We wont have the result which is perfect for everybody. it just needs a decision. I am not sure if a poll would help or something else. maybe just the higher rated stage race or the one with more participation last year. But I defenitely think that 3 stage races at the same time is too much. even 2 + day race will create small groups.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Ok, Oman online. Not sure about the KOM. They seem not have different categories so far? So I put all as a cat3-hill, but maybe we learn more about it later.


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_1


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_2


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_3


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_4


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_5


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 20_stage_6

[el Galactico]

When do you plan the National Championships? They should also take place in February, right?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Valenciana. Same problem as Oman, I am not sure about the category of the climbs... Maybe we find out later.


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... lenciana01


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... lenciana02


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... lenciana03


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... lenciana04


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... lenciana05

[olmania]

I want to draw Provence. But it seems they won't add more details than this : https://www.tourdelaprovence.fr/les-parcours-2020/
I wanted to wait they publish more, but it seems they won't. So I can design it, but I can't guarantee a full accuracy.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I want to draw Provence. But it seems they won't add more details than this : https://www.tourdelaprovence.fr/les-parcours-2020/
I wanted to wait they publish more, but it seems they won't. So I can design it, but I can't guarantee a full accuracy.

Have you checked out La Flamme Rouge? They seem to have some more detail :

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/315799

[olmania]

I want to draw Provence. But it seems they won't add more details than this : https://www.tourdelaprovence.fr/les-parcours-2020/
I wanted to wait they publish more, but it seems they won't. So I can design it, but I can't guarantee a full accuracy.

Have you checked out La Flamme Rouge? They seem to have some more detail :

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/315799

Thanks ! I forgot about it, and yeah it looks better there !
I don't know when I'll find time to start, but I'll try to do it before the end of next weekend.

[Robyklebt]

I think I support Team FL view:

For February it gets a bit messy though, looking at the race calender. I can imagine something like this for February:
Stage races:

- San Juan
- Valenciana (maybe one out of Saudi Tour / Besseges / Herald Sun Tour in parallel)
- Oman / Provence
- Ruta del Sol (ends at 23)
- UAE (starts at 23, maybe Hainan in parallel)

So I think

Besseges is OK. Delete Saudi.
Provence is OK. Delete Colombia.
Ruta del Sol is OK. Delete Algarve.
UAE is OK. Forget Hainan.

Final Calendar

- San Juan (Cat.2)
- Valenciana (Cat.3) || Besseges (Cat.2)
- Oman (Cat.3) || Provence (Cat.2)
- UAE (Cat.3) || Ruta del Sol (Cat.3)

Times... difficult... Maybe 4x Valenciana, Oman & UAE and only 3x Besseges, Provence, Ruta del Sol. Evening should get a lot in my point of view. 20,21,22 are the most active hours.

Only 2 parallel seems ok to me. Number of editions... You propose 7 combined Bear 8, I would think 6 probably would work too. Will send Luques proposals soon.

[Pokemon Club]

Seems Oman is cancel this year

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-o ... ans-death/

[Pokemon Club]

BTW why we don't put Ruta del Sol and Algarve one day before ? Like that we keep both and we just have both tours in parallel and just have Omloop parralel UAE

[Gipfelstuermer]

Seems Oman is cancel this year

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-o ... ans-death/

Pah, it is also already designed! Did we stop Tour de France when there was hail and landslide?

But OK for me if you want to cancel and/or replace with Colombia.

BTW why we don't put Ruta del Sol and Algarve one day before ? Like that we keep both and we just have both tours in parallel and just have Omloop parralel UAE

Well, same discussion as often. I like "Real race on real date" as a principle, because where do you start changing the calendar and where do you stop changing the calendar? Can always present some argument to change it.... or not to change it: If you add Algarve, it is one more race, but we have low participation already. Now you have to decide Ruta del Sol & Omloop or UAE. With your proposal peopel will be tempted to ride Ruta del Sol & UAE for the money, so maybe less participation in Omloop, which may be sad because that is a classic...

[Robyklebt]

Hm, Oman out in real life, here ideally out too, but already designed, so I'll leave Luques and Gipfel to talk it out.

Ruta del Sol and Algarve in one day early?
As usual I'm opposed. One reason in the end is fairness too. There are people who can't/don't want to ride Tours non stop. By giving those that ride tours the opportunity to ride one more than they could by following the real calendar we favor them over those that can't (or don't want to).

NCs, only open days seem 4/10/18, in my enlightened proposal to Luques proposed the 18th. 10th is between tours, not good for reg, 4th and 18th before tours, but on the 19th only 1 starts, so seems slighty better. But again, up to Luques to decide if we have it in Feb no weekend available. Only possibility to have it on a weekend would be to advance Besseges and Valenciana by one day, as usual I'm opposed on principle (but less opposed than Ruta del Sol/Algarve early)

[olmania]

Having the NC during a week day ? Did it happen recently (I missed most of NC of the last few years) ?
If we do make it happen during a weekday, I'd say to be cautious about the times set. Maybe more times in evening/night than usual when it's during the weekend.

I'd be more up to make it happen during weekend even if it means moving the real races by one day. I am not against moving dates of real races if this can help participation and organization (but that's just my personal opinion and probably not the dominant one here).

About Oman, unlucky that it is already designed. No opinion about it, if cancelling it or not. Add another option : if cancelled now, let's keep it as a fantasy race for next winter off season calendar ? (so the design is not lost; and it the weather of the region fits well for a november/december tour in cat1/2 fantasy tour).

Btw :

[Hansa]

Having the NC during a week day ? Did it happen recently (I missed most of NC of the last few years) ?
If we do make it happen during a weekday, I'd say to be cautious about the times set. Maybe more times in evening/night than usual when it's during the weekend.

I'd be more up to make it happen during weekend even if it means moving the real races by one day. I am not against moving dates of real races if this can help participation and organization (but that's just my personal opinion and probably not the dominant one here).

About Oman, unlucky that it is already designed. No opinion about it, if cancelling it or not. Add another option : if cancelled now, let's keep it as a fantasy race for next winter off season calendar ? (so the design is not lost; and it the weather of the region fits well for a november/december tour in cat1/2 fantasy tour).

i think the same as OL we should be open to move real races a day if it helps our participation. i also prefer NCs on weekends.

we can wait for san juan to start and if we have a lack of participation there we should talk about NO parallel tours at all.

[Robyklebt]

I think I say the same thing every year before February. It's not the number of tours parallel, it's the number of total editions

Having 1 stage race with 5 editions is not that different from having 2 with 3 each. Advantage of 2 with 3 each is that the evening gets more, which is the most "crowded" time. 10-15-18-20-22-23 for example, instead of 10-15-18-21-23

And waiting for San Juan to start to decide seems ok to me actually (new preview on before that still nice..), but if the particiaption is low... 3+3!

[Bear]

Real races on real dates! Keeping that is one of the main parts of the game.

Even if it's better for me in one particular month, I would give my vote to real dates anytime!

5-6 editions per day / tours at a time seems to be the best option. There is no solution which suits all teams. Goal should be to give options to choose from and also create as many big groups as possible.

[Pokemon Club]

Real races in real dates yes, if we work exactly as in reality. At some points we can't just keep it like reality. If a small adjustment is better for the game for some specific case, because we are just a game, let's go adjust it.

And btw, we don't need CN in february, they are just a source of bugs

[Robyklebt]

Yes, and in the case of Ruta del Sol/Algarve vs UAE changing the date doesn't benefit the game. It benefits those that ride lots of small tours, not the game itself. It creates an artificial imbalance between tour riders and one day riders. The imbalance of course is always there, but here we'd create it artificially. Which is unnecessary.
An adjustment for NCs (that have been on weekdays before, to some protests though) that wouldn't create that imbalance, so why not. But then.... on weekends there are generally less people riding than during the week. So:
NC weekend=less people, but they have more time to ride more races.
NC weekday: more people, but with more limited time.

What is better, don't know, when we had the NCs on a weekday last year (?) I didn't notice any difference to the weekend NCs really. Here more people seem to be for weekends, so ok, weekend seems to be favored.

Anyway, we need Luques posting the next preview

[olmania]

Thanks for the input about NC in a weekday history. Good to know.

[Pokemon Club]

Not sure the game is able to support more race at the same time for NC ? If Luques is around that day why not but if iwe put it to have bugs all the day better to live without NC.
About Ruta del Sol / Algarve vs UAE it is your point of view. If you really want the calendar fit reality. Put Algarve and Ruta del Sol in and take oout all fantasy race of the calendar. How many people who say they want fantasy one day race because they can't play each day at the same time really play 5 or 6 days consecutively ? In what it is better than having them online 2 or 3 days of a 5 days stage races ?