Damn, we didn't even need Hansa, just need to learn where to look....
Alkworld wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:10 pm
With teams dripping down the divisions, there'd always be a fair amount of 0 points teams on the bottom of the divisions. Like that, it just goes faster. As a plus, farming gets limited a bit with inactive teams being at the bottom.
I don't see the problem with teams dripping down the divisions. The problem is when they don't, as it is now. With the planned resizing of divisions, that problem is solved. The "problem" remaining is the dripping down, Div 1 to 6 is 5 months. Why is that a problem exactly?
They earned their way up, let them enjoy their slow way down.
Question: Does no points mean no points in a month or no current points? Meaning I take a break for a month in October, have points from Sept, will I go down to D6 at the month change? While I still have points from Sept. Or only end of November? (Don't celebrate too early, no plans to take a break, just an example) I assume the latter, but just to be sure.
Problems with this fast relegation
-Potentially people who just take a break, but plan to come back find themselves in D6. Could happen to somebody like Carrera, who has a few months at 1 or so races. Mosca for a while, now he seems to have stopped completely. Even somebody like FL has some very low races month, oh, even 1 at 0. Preceded by 2 months at 1 race. 0 0 and that's enough to go to D6? Admittedly those teams will be around D4-5 anyway most of the time with tighter divisions, so no real change, but what if an active D1 team takes 2 months off to go cycling in Kyrgyzstan like my cousin P.? (he's would be too impatient for this game anyway though)
-Riders from D1-5 potentially end up in D6, while right now they would in D1-5
-It's a way to get around the reset restriction (I assume it will be only D6+ again)
-Some teams seem to be convinced that the D6+ market is better than the D1-5 (Manghi mostly, maybe others). A shortcut to get to their preferred market.
As for the farming. Does c4f actually have a farming problem? Farming in the sense that one team buys riders for another team? Sell them later, for the other team to buy? If it's the same owner, same IP or suspicious, as in VPN IP should take care of that. If it's 2 friends, not. But, how does this limit it?
IMO it doesn't.
Team B buys the max of youth riders, rides a few races a month, cheap salary, try to stay in D5. Once the riders are 24-25 sells them and Team B buys them. Same as now.
Scenario B: Team B buys the max of youth riders. Doesn't ride. Down to D6. A bit before it's time to sell, ride, move up to D5, sell. Possible now too. Nothing changes.
Team B rides, when the time comes to get those other riders, 2 months (I assume), down to D6. Needs a sacrifice. Not possible now. BUT
D1-5, you put a 25 year old 74-80-72-50-55 with 45 reg on the market. Chances are somebody else wants him too. Auction, he's on the market a while. He's seen, there's competition for him.
D6+: Sell him, then there is a anti-farming randomizer in place, when the rider appears on the market, it isn't immediate. But if Team A knows that now Team B sold him, he will be on the lookout. While the other D6+ teams are ignorantly cleaning their toenails, he can concentrate on the market, checking regularly. Chances he gets them are rather bigger than in D1-5.
With the smaller more competitive dripping down divisions (I said now above, meant the same, just smaller divs), scenario A+B are possible, and scenario D.
Team B buys, doesn't ride. Down to D5, sell. if you sell them at 24-25 the farming team needs to be a D1/D2 team that stops for it to work. If you start at D3, you have to ride a bit to stay in D1-5 as well
So you're exchanging this scenario D with scenario C. Scenario C necessitates a 2 month sacrifice, but then has higher chances to actually get the rider(s) in question.
But that's mostly assuming team B is a D1 or D2 team, which isn't all that likely. The more likely scenario is that it's a D5 team, in which case the fast relegation doesn't change anything compared to now (the future now, smaller divs) but the fast relegation makes scenario C possible.
Is this really limiting farming? Or is it even making it easier?
But actually I don't really think we have a farming problem, so the farming discussion is really rather a hypothetical one.
As for the dripping down, for me the potential problems, shortcut to a D6, to reset, to that market are a bigger negative than a team going down from D1 to D6 in 5 months.