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Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:37 am
by Alkworld
Hi C4F Community,
while implementing missing features in Luques' C4F, we often come across missing details and things we just don't remember. We'll need your help in remembering those features and how they are implemented currently. Now you would think that we could just look into the existing code, which sometimes works fine, but it's often a little more complicated, as the logic is distributed widely and not always easy to understand. Additionally, we can't really look into the Flash code or the App. The next posts will already name some topics where support is needed.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:39 am
by Alkworld
For selling on the transfermarket, the team won't get the full value of the rider. What we currently know is the following:
price = market value minus tax minus malus for riders bought within the last 50 days
The old code mentions a young rider bonus. Is that something you remember?
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:41 am
by Alkworld
When a rider (< 34 yo) is sold, it would go back to the transfermarket. What usually happens next? Auction for high divisions and normal sale for low divisions? Is the rider directly appearing on the transfermarket?
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:07 am
by Mangahn
Alkworld wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:39 am
For selling on the transfermarket, the team won't get the full value of the rider. What we currently know is the following:
price = market value minus tax minus malus for riders bought within the last 50 days
The old code mentions a young rider bonus. Is that something you remember?
The bonus was reducing of tax by 15% points (max) for rider from 21 to 24. but only if the tax is high enough. If I remember correct you allways have at least 10% tax. But Buhmann take it out long ago. He dislike the hire and fire mentality. A lot of 24 years old are sold that days.
Buhmann hat den Jugendbonus bewusst eingestellt, da ihm zuviele Jugendfahrer nicht bis zuende ausgebildet wurden. Da heute viele alte Teams ohnehin hohe Steuern haben dürfte der Effekt geringer ausfallen. Ich wäre durchaus dafür ihn wieder einzuführen. Gerade für neuere TEams (die wir ja wieder bekommen wollen) könnte das wichtig sein.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:11 am
by Mangahn
Alkworld wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:41 am
When a rider (< 34 yo) is sold, it would go back to the transfermarket. What usually happens next? Auction for high divisions and normal sale for low divisions? Is the rider directly appearing on the transfermarket?
Yes^^
Not completly sure about the time the rider appears at low div. There was a timelack from 3 (?) to 5 days at the old days. Never checked it out after changing to the auctionsmodell at higher div.
There is a reason to get the rider later at lower div. At least you are not able to reset and buy your old rider at the same time.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:22 am
by Alkworld
Mangahn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:07 am
Alkworld wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:39 am
For selling on the transfermarket, the team won't get the full value of the rider. What we currently know is the following:
price = market value minus tax minus malus for riders bought within the last 50 days
The old code mentions a young rider bonus. Is that something you remember?
The bonus was reducing of tax by 15% points (max) for rider from 21 to 24. but only if the tax is high enough. If I remember correct you allways have at least 10% tax. But Buhmann take it out long ago. He dislike the hire and fire mentality. A lot of 24 years old are sold that days.
Buhmann hat den Jugendbonus bewusst eingestellt, da ihm zuviele Jugendfahrer nicht bis zuende ausgebildet wurden. Da heute viele alte Teams ohnehin hohe Steuern haben dürfte der Effekt geringer ausfallen. Ich wäre durchaus dafür ihn wieder einzuführen. Gerade für neuere TEams (die wir ja wieder bekommen wollen) könnte das wichtig sein.
Thx, at the moment it's important to implement the new C4F as close as possible to the other versions, so people don't switch to whichever is beneficial for them. So conclusion for me: no young rider sales bonus.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:13 pm
by Robyklebt
Alkworld wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:41 am
When a rider (< 34 yo) is sold, it would go back to the transfermarket. What usually happens next? Auction for high divisions and normal sale for low divisions? Is the rider directly appearing on the transfermarket?
Depends where he's sold, he goes to the division market in which he's sold. So high divisions=auction model, and appears immediately.... I think.
Lower there was a lag as Manghi mentioned, but don't remember which...
Manghi correct on the first q., abolished a long time ago.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:30 pm
by Mangahn
Es bleibt dann wohl nur zu testen. Soll ich ein neues Team gründen, Fahrer kaufen und verkaufen und schauen ob sie sofort auf dem Markt sind?
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:51 pm
by Alkworld
Mangahn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:30 pm
Es bleibt dann wohl nur zu testen. Soll ich ein neues Team gründen, Fahrer kaufen und verkaufen und schauen ob sie sofort auf dem Markt sind?
That's something we can do when the new versions is installed. There will be a test phase with a limited number of players anyway
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:22 pm
by Mangahn
Ich dachte, wir wollten wissen, wie es in der aktuellen Version ist. Daher wollte ich es dort testen.^^
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:35 am
by Alkworld
Mangahn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:22 pm
Ich dachte, wir wollten wissen, wie es in der aktuellen Version ist. Daher wollte ich es dort testen.^^
In general yes, but it's just a rather low priority task, as
- only few teams active in lower division
- still waiting for Luques to help with deployment
I'll have a look on ongoing transfers, sooner or later there will be a real one.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Sun May 01, 2022 9:20 pm
by Alkworld
Another feature from current C4F I don't know the exact details: Do you remember the limits for buying leaders in your team? E.g. you can't buy another climber (more than X climbing), if you already have N climbers. I neither remember what X nor N where. Same for other rider types like sprinters and TT riders. Anybody remembers?
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 7:10 pm
by Mangahn
It was 5 classics, 3 climber. But I´m not sure what conditions are necessery to call a rider as "classic" or "climber" for this.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 8:36 pm
by ProTour-Team
climber is after 2 with more than 83. classics i doubt to have a limit at all, but it isnt after 5 for sure.
i expected the sprinters to have one too, but with 3 90+s there is no limit for me so i guess there is non?
But i asked Buh aswell, maybe he can help out^^
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 9:03 am
by flockmastoR
ProTour-Team wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:36 pm
climber is after 2 with more than 83. classics i doubt to have a limit at all, but it isnt after 5 for sure.
i expected the sprinters to have one too, but with 3 90+s there is no limit for me so i guess there is non?
But i asked Buh aswell, maybe he can help out^^
I can confirm the climbers limit, have now a 87 and 84 and cannot see any climber >83 in the "available" list.
Also doubt there is a classics limit but I never had more than 2-3 but probably my 69-80 guys don't count as well
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 9:45 am
by team fl
There is a limit for pavé riders too I remember. But I don't remember the details.
My advise: Check it out in the old version. Create a test team and try it out. I think there is a message when you try to buy a rider too much in a specific category.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 10:37 am
by Robyklebt
Yep. I looked around in the technic section a bit, should be somewhere in the old threads, but couldn't find it. Maybe old forum?
There is a limit for mountain skill with youth riders too I think, But can't remember what it is.
The FL advice sounds best!
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:42 pm
by IDF
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:03 am
Also doubt there is a classics limit but I never had more than 2-3 but probably my 69-80 guys don't count as well
But you have Franz
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:37 am
by Alkworld
team fl wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:45 am
There is a limit for pavé riders too I remember. But I don't remember the details.
My advise: Check it out in the old version. Create a test team and try it out. I think there is a message when you try to buy a rider too much in a specific category.
I implemented the limit for climbers. If anybody finds out about sprinters and pave riders, let me know, it's easy to implement.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 12:12 pm
by Schartner Bombe
Alkworld wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 9:37 am
team fl wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:45 am
There is a limit for pavé riders too I remember. But I don't remember the details.
My advise: Check it out in the old version. Create a test team and try it out. I think there is a message when you try to buy a rider too much in a specific category.
I implemented the limit for climbers. If anybody finds out about sprinters and pave riders, let me know, it's easy to implement.
maybe this link has some answers
http://www.radsportfreaks.com/radsport/radsportfaq.php
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 1:14 pm
by Mangahn
Berg über 83: 2
Zeit über 69, berg über 77: 2
sprint über 91: 2
berg über 80: 5
Berg über 71 und Alter < 24: 2
Zeit über 60, Berg über 65 und Alter < 24: 2
sprint über 74 und Alter < 24: 2
Berg über 67 und Alter < 24: 5
Guter Hinweis, Schartner. Mir war gar nicht mehr bewusst, dass ich selbst solche Details in der FAQ drin habe.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:18 pm
by team fl
Berg über 83: 2
Zeit über 69, berg über 77: 2
sprint über 91: 2
berg über 80: 5
Berg über 71 und Alter < 24: 2
Zeit über 60, Berg über 65 und Alter < 24: 2
sprint über 74 und Alter < 24: 2
Berg über 67 und Alter < 24: 5
Also important:
Fahrer vom Jugendtransfermarkt unterliegen dieser Sperre nicht.
And it looks like there is no pavé limit, other than I thought.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:51 pm
by Mangahn
team fl wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 3:18 pm
And it looks like there is no pavé limit, other than I thought.
Ich habe hier die Daten aller Wahrscheinlichkeit nach aus einem Forenpost von Buhmann kopiert. Ich will nicht ausschließen, dass später ein pave limit eingefügt worden ist. Es wäre Systeminharent und wir wissen ja, wie biestig die Community hinterher war, dass niemand einen die Bestandskunden belästigen konnte. Und gerade die Pave Farmteams galt es sicher zu schädigen.
Von daher würde ich das vorsichtshalber testen. Gut möglich, dass Du am Ende doch recht hast.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 5:28 pm
by Robyklebt
team fl wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 3:18 pm
Also important:
Fahrer vom Jugendtransfermarkt unterliegen dieser Sperre nicht.
I would check that last bit of information though. I seem to remember to have gotten that message once? Of course it could have been when I attempted to buy a 21 year old from the normal market through "all riders", but suspect it isn't, then I would go through "available riders". I could be mistaken of course, but think the limit applied to youth riders as well.
Re: Current C4F Features
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:31 pm
by Bear
I am also pretty sure the limits are also for youth riders.