Transfer Bug?

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Transfer Bug?

Post by gaurain rx » Mon May 13, 2019 9:57 am

Looks like a transfer bug for this young rider : ohne Name 838892

My offer was higher than the one of Circle Circle but he got the rider for the price he offered apparently... ok, maybe he prefered to go in his team, that's a likelihood... but still!

Edit : I had enough money to pay for him
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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by CircleCycle » Mon May 13, 2019 11:10 am

Apparently. Maybe Luques could transfer the guy to your team?

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by team fl » Mon May 13, 2019 11:15 am

Hasn't there been another similar case to this? I think it was something like a rounding (up) Problem. So the differences between the bids are too small for the system to process it and then the team id or something similar has been deciding about who gets the rider… Luques? :)
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by LENNAO » Mon May 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Gaurain ^^
You are just to greedy - and dont want to pay the rider the amount he deserves ;)

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by CircleCycle » Tue May 14, 2019 5:27 pm

Would be good to know what will happen?

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Wed May 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Am I still in time to do something? Kind of lost time perception by travelling :)

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Wed May 15, 2019 9:42 pm

team fl wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:15 am
Hasn't there been another similar case to this? I think it was something like a rounding (up) Problem. So the differences between the bids are too small for the system to process it and then the team id or something similar has been deciding about who gets the rider… Luques? :)
This is imo the reason. It is as if the system puts both offers at the same time, so something other enters in deciding who gets the rider.

As for the solution, if I am still in time I can swap the rider (or in alternative even double him for the two teams, but I don't think others would agree ;) )

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by CircleCycle » Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 pm

What do you mean, still in time?

It is a rider for next season, I did not give him a name until now.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by gaurain rx » Thu May 16, 2019 4:14 pm

luques wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:42 pm
team fl wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:15 am
Hasn't there been another similar case to this? I think it was something like a rounding (up) Problem. So the differences between the bids are too small for the system to process it and then the team id or something similar has been deciding about who gets the rider… Luques? :)
This is imo the reason. It is as if the system puts both offers at the same time, so something other enters in deciding who gets the rider.

As for the solution, if I am still in time I can swap the rider (or in alternative even double him for the two teams, but I don't think others would agree ;) )
Well, Choose whatever looks the best in your opinion luques. I'm open.. I mean, CC got the rider so he can stay in his team, I would be happy to get him as I had the higher offer (not the best apparently :-) ) or double the rider, which seems to me to be pretty fair, as it's neither CC's nor mine fault, just a system bug.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by team fl » Thu May 16, 2019 4:34 pm

Wouldn't that be bug using then? ;)
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by gaurain rx » Mon May 20, 2019 11:42 am

So?

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Tue May 21, 2019 7:19 pm

gaurain rx wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 11:42 am
So?
Reverted as it should be, let me know if it's ok.

Sorry for the problems guys

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by CircleCycle » Tue May 21, 2019 7:31 pm

Well, you gave me back the money (thank you) but you didn't take the rider away from me. He is still there, waiting to join my team next month.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by gaurain rx » Tue May 21, 2019 8:50 pm

CircleCycle wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:31 pm
Well, you gave me back the money (thank you) but you didn't take the rider away from me. He is still there, waiting to join my team next month.
Looks like he really wants to be part of your project... Or really don't want to join mine :-)

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 pm

Now should be ok, I hope :?

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by gaurain rx » Tue May 21, 2019 11:06 pm

luques wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 pm
Now should be ok, I hope :?
The rider is still not in my team... It might be because I don't have anymore the money to pay for, maybe...

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by CircleCycle » Wed May 22, 2019 8:24 am

luques wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 pm
Now should be ok, I hope :?
he left my team, so yes!?

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Wed May 22, 2019 8:28 am

CircleCycle wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:24 am
luques wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 pm
Now should be ok, I hope :?
he left my team, so yes!?
Checked today, I am an idiot, the rider is in Gaurain rx team, not in Feiting Siebing, will fix it in the afternoon.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:07 am

Same problem again:

Youth rider:

Rider 842395

Big Donkey: 1457541
Dreizehen: 1457156
Falkembier 1456789

Falkenbier got him. Big Donkey had the money.
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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:23 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:07 am
Same problem again:

Youth rider:

Rider 842395

Big Donkey: 1457541
Dreizehen: 1457156
Falkembier 1456789

Falkenbier got him. Big Donkey had the money.
Isn't a bug, he just preferred to go to Falkenbier team :)

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:49 pm

Understand that, I'd rather go to his team too.

But seriously, don't really care what happens in this specific case, but since this seems to be a bug that appears more often than I thought, we probably need some kind of general policy.

a) Rider preferred another team. Let it be, in all cases from now on. While working on a programming solution.
b) Change the rider each time. But then needs to be done fast. Other bids running maybe, in this case let's say Falkenbier would get another rider if he had the money, but since he doesn't have it, doesn't get him. Or I in the meantime get a rider, bla bla. Can become complicated. Then reports need to be fast (mine for example was late too)

To me a) seems simpler, b) is just a big mess waiting to happen...

But, some sort of policy seems nice, apply it consistently (from now on). While working on a solution to avoid this rounding thing.

A fine for Falkenbier seems fine too though. 500'000 for being Falkenbier?
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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:58 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:49 pm

a) Rider preferred another team. Let it be, in all cases from now on. While working on a programming solution.
b) Change the rider each time. But then needs to be done fast. Other bids running maybe, in this case let's say Falkenbier would get another rider if he had the money, but since he doesn't have it, doesn't get him. Or I in the meantime get a rider, bla bla. Can become complicated. Then reports need to be fast (mine for example was late too)
A very brisk idea, but how about...

c) Bug fix?

The number of bugs and the kind of bugs is really frustrating. Some of the bugs may literally be one line of code to adjust if you consider that we are talking of a rounding error most likely.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by Idéfix » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:05 pm

Seems that when time (hour + min) are equal, the rider goes to the lowest bid.
=> change that in the code
OR
=> when you bid, make sure you bid for the lowest possible price for the time you bid for!
Personally I always do that since a very long time, when i first noticed those bugs reported in forum. Best thing would be a coding change, but easier and shorter termist solution is that individual action. Same for the downhill pavé bugs, best would be correct the code, but easiest action is avoiding setting on the calendar races with dh pavé^^
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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by luques » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:44 am

Will check into it this week.
However, to be honest, it never happened that frequently, last 2 months happened once per month (one in May, one in July), so never was a priority.

P.S. Moreover, I would like to outline that the problem is more deep than what you think. The system actually registered the offer of Falkenbier as expiring before the others (at 14.13 GMT vs 14.17), this basically means that he did all right but the problem was in the calculations when the offer was made

P.P.S. Maybe will ask some of you for some test offers.

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Re: Transfer Bug?

Post by Idéfix » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:59 am

Thanks, Luques :)
Would be interesting to know when (=day + time) Falke and CC did their bid ^^
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