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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Coroncina2 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:17 am

I reiterate that the point of all the speech is not imposing my calendar idea, but just look for race selection criteria before 2018 starts and know which races will be made.
So
Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm
I see a problem here. With 3x3 editions... offer each tour to chose at least in the morning afternoon or evening? So 3 in the morning 3 in the afternoon, 3 in the evening? If I understood you correctly. 3 in the morning is 1 too many, 3 in the afternoon (until when is that for you?) might be 2 too many... 3 in the evening depending on from when to when too few. We simply can't offer something like 9-10-11-14-15-16-20-21-22. 9 editions will more likely be something like 9-10-14-16-18-20-21-22-24. So in any case not all 3 tours will be offered at all times. So it won't work the way you propose (again, if I understood that part correctly)
So a question: Why not 4 tours parallel? With less editions, for example 3-2-2-2. For example in February? Are you completely opposed to that or do you think that's possible too?
To propose max 3 tour and 3 edition I referred to 15-19 / 2/2017 when Oman tour (11h 16h 21h), Ruta de Sol (9h 18h 22h) and (14h 20h 24h) were played in // in addition of one day races of 4 editions 10h 15h 19h 23h. Seem it worked.
You propose to do 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 sometimes, no problem. Maybe tour with hight category with 3 editions. However if you think 3 tours in parallel are too many we spend a maximum of 2 + single ride. As said this is just my proposal. Surely there are people who are more experienced than me in planning the calendar. So far I have only received opinions on mine. I'm still waiting for the others.
Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm
I would add the typical Asian 2.1. things. Stuff in Japan, Korea, Iran etc. It's just not at the same level as European 2.1. If any European Pro Continental team starts, then it's Nippo (Japanese sponsors etc.), or sometimes a few others but with their 4th strongest team or so. IMO we can ignore those 2.1. races completely at first. And only add them when there is nothing else going on.
Ah, and you haven't talked about RSF category, but I still support the better c4f categorization over the political/money UCI categorization. (They will be similar, but the small differences make c4f categorization the better choice)
OK I admit that even proposing the Asian, African and South American 2.1 tours is often complicated because of the difficult routes to find. Proposing these tours only when there are dead periods would also be a principle to follow. Just know it first and apply it to the entire calendar without any exception. In a few words I would simplify the speech by saying:
-always prefer a European tour (thinking well in North America cycling is quite common and routes are easy to find) to tours of other continents.
-add an extra-European tour only if you do not have enough tours in a month.

I always think that the categories of the game must follow for good and bad those imposed by the UCI. Let them decide according to history and prestige always open to useless debates. For example, I did not like that a higher score was given to the Paris Tour than the Milano Torino. also the Milano Torino has been won by great champions. However, you all seem very firm on this point and I preferred to skip it. But I remain of the idea that at least to select the races and set the calendar we must follow the UCI categories. If you have to discuss the importance and prestige of a race every time before entering it on the calendar, goodbye impartial principles and we do not get anywhere.
Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm
So no postponements for tours? Agreed.
On one day races, partly agreed. But keep them as close to the real date as possible, so when there are 4 races on one day don't go 1+1+1+1, but go 2+2 or if one is clearly more important than the others 1+2+1. And yes, in real cycling there are no one day races every day. But this in the end is a GAME. And if we don't have single races every day we just lose even more active managers. Not everybody always has the time to play on the same times for x days in a row.
Always to come in against you I have agreed not to postpone any tour. But you tell me that the single races are used to give the opportunity to those who do not have the time to play the tour and that this is a game. I could say the same for certain tours that maybe have not been done and will not be done because in parallel with others and maybe it was enough to postpone them the following week. After all, the tour is also a game.
Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm
That will only work if the times are known. And that IMO is to early to decide. Popularity of times sometimes fluctuates. 2 years ago (?) all of the sudden the morning became very unpopular, only 2? 3? teams inscribed for the Giro. Now the morning fortunately is back strong. But if it happens again for a time, then it's better to just offer one tour at that time for a while, if we plan 2 now, then in August the afternoon is even weaker than it is now.... not good.
Better idea: Ask Luques to generally post the PDF on the 15th. Then max 10 days, until the 25th for us to complain, propose better solutions etc. And finalize it on the 25th (or 23 or so, 20st seems a bit early, only 5 days time)
I think we can still choose the stage races to do during the year regardless of the definite number of editions and times to be proposed. You tell me the participation changes during the year. Ok before entering the tour from the database of designers will choose their schedules. I opened this post to decide together what tours (and maybe when we have solved these we could move on to single races) to do throughout the year, not to ask to replace you in proceeding in the same way as you do now.
When I find the time I will apply the selection between European and non-European tours.

I hoped that this post was more frequented and with more people saying their opinion. instead it seems only a bickering between me and Robyklebt. Not that it is not stimulating to discuss with you, but this shows how little people really want to participate.
With more opinions and proposed models it would be easier to find ideas shared by more players.
However we are already beginning December. I opened the discussion in September a few days after the presentation of calendars or UCI during the week of the cycling world championship. I doubt from here to the beginning of 2018 we will manage to get something done.
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Pokemon Club » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:23 am

Don't misunderstand Coro, you are not alone in this discussion. But I am a dictator so there is no need for me to share my opinion as I will impose it anyway :lol:

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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:20 pm

Trolling again I see.
And trying to make a joke of your shortcomings too. Too bad it isn't funny... mostly because it's exactly what you did with the winter fantasy calendar 2016-17. And then even lacked the common courtesy to explain your choices, instead opting for insulting people who asked.
But anyway, nowadays you're just trolling, you seem happy as well, so everything is perfectly fine.

Back to more serious stuff:
Coroncina2 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:17 am
To propose max 3 tour and 3 edition I referred to 15-19 / 2/2017 when Oman tour (11h 16h 21h), Ruta de Sol (9h 18h 22h) and (14h 20h 24h) were played in // in addition of one day races of 4 editions 10h 15h 19h 23h. Seem it worked.
Yep, worked. And this one here worked too:
Dubai 14-18-21
Besseges: 10-20
Herald Sun 16-23
Valencia 19-24

So the few times there are 4 parallel tours, I think it's no problem to ride all 4.
So:
Coroncina2 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:30 am
February
Thursday 08-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 South Africa 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Friday 09-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 South Africa 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Saturday 10-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 South Africa 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Possible without cancellation. (But can't find South Africa on the UCI site anymore... strange) And of course Dubai would be with more editions here too.
Postpone 2 of the tours? I prefer not, I just like to have the races where they really are. But IF there was place in the week right after, of course I would survive having 1 or 2 of the 4 in the following week (If they don't clash with important 1 day races there. But in this case there isn't, Oman starts on the 13th already (according to the UCI site)

Ah, another thing before I run away again:
IMportant things: Offer all to everyone.
Unimportant things: No need to offer all to everyone.

Means:
PN-TA: 5 editions each, (Langkawi parallel, 2.HC but I would cancel it, or offer 2 editions or so)
2.1 races, even if it's only 2. 4 editions each could be enough.
And generally more of the higher category than of the lower.
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Pokemon Club » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:57 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:20 pm
Trolling again I see.
And trying to make a joke of your shortcomings too. Too bad it isn't funny... mostly because it's exactly what you did with the winter fantasy calendar 2016-17. And then even lacked the common courtesy to explain your choices, instead opting for insulting people who asked.
But anyway, nowadays you're just trolling, you seem happy as well, so everything is perfectly fine.
Funny when you and your followers call me dicatators it isn't trolling anymore :lol:

Anyway looks that you understand nothing finally. People can propose whatever they want, as long there isn't a calendar comittee of 5/7/9 numbers to take decision as for FPK and NK nothing will change. A lot of blabla with a rushing decision from luques at the end who nearly doesn't follow a lot the topic at the end as he has more important things to do in the game. So yes I definitively has nothing to do with useless blabla for the moment, better to collect data and draw races which are already available for the moment :)

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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:09 pm

Yes yes, you dicatators :lol: Whatever that is.
So if you have nothing productive to say, why post? Trolling. But if you're happy, that's ok. And as long as you don't have any position with responsibility or where there is a need to work together with others, the game doesn't suffer either. All is fine.
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Pokemon Club » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:22 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:09 pm
Yes yes, you dicatators :lol: Whatever that is.
So if you have nothing productive to say, why post? Trolling. But if you're happy, that's ok. And as long as you don't have any position with responsibility or where there is a need to work together with others, the game doesn't suffer either. All is fine.
As long as you work instead of me sure, all is fine :lol:

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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:20 pm

How to decide which stage races:

Donkeyposal: (lots copied from Coroncina)

- Follow the UCI calendar 2.1-UWT. Ignore 2.2.
- Give very low precedence to 2.1 tours in Asia with very weak real life participation. Only use those

OK, I stop again already, don't need comments like this "Coroncina<18:15>: I hope you just want to write something constructive and not just for the pleasure of criticizing.".
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Coroncina2 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:02 pm

I did not believe you were so touchy.
If you believe that going ahead with this post is useful to the game, write your proposal and we will continue the discussion, otherwise tell me clearly that all this is useless.
Sorry if I offended you. In the future I will avoid any kind of gag.
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Coroncina2 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:38 pm

New proposal with:
-Less edition for lower category if in \\ with higher category tours
-no Asian and African 2.1 tours if in \\ with european once and if enoght tours in month.

January
Monday 15-gen Amissa Bongo 2.1
Tuesday 16-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1
Wednesday17-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1
Thursday 18-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1
Friday 19-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1
Saturday 20-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1
Sunday 21-gen Down Under 2.UWT Amissa Bongo 2.1 San Juan 2.1
Monday 22-gen San Juan 2.1
Tuesday 23-gen San Juan 2.1
Wednesday24-gen Sharjah 2.1 San Juan 2.1
Thursday 25-gen Sharjah 2.1 San Juan 2.1
Friday 26-gen Sharjah 2.1 San Juan 2.1 Indonesia 2.1
Saturday 27-gen Sharjah 2.1 San Juan 2.1 Indonesia 2.1
Sunday 28-gen San Juan 2.1 Indonesia 2.1
Monday 29-gen San Juan 2.1 Indonesia 2.1
Tuesday 30-gen
Wednesday31-gen Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1

Down Under 2.UWT 5 San Juan 2.1 4
Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1 all 3

February
Thursday 01-feb Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1
Friday 02-feb Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1
Saturday 03-feb Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1
Sunday 04-feb Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1
Monday 05-feb
Tuesday 06-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1
Wednesday07-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1
Thursday 08-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Friday 09-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Saturday 10-feb Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Sunday 11-feb Colombia 2.1 La Provence 2.1
Monday 12-feb
Tuesday 13-feb Oman 2.HC
Wednesday14-feb Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1
Thursday 15-feb Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1
Friday 16-feb Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1
Saturday 17-feb Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1 Haut Var 2.1
Sunday 18-feb Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1 Haut Var 2.1
Monday 19-feb
Tuesday 20-feb
Wednesday21-feb Abu Dhabi 2.UWT
Thursday 22-feb Abu Dhabi 2.UWT
Friday 23-feb Abu Dhabi 2.UWT
Saturday 24-feb Het Nieuwsblad 1.UWTAbu Dhabi 2.UWT
Sunday 25-feb Abu Dhabi 2.UWT
Monday 26-feb
Tuesday 27-feb
Wednesday28-feb

Herald Sun 2.1 Valenciana 2.1 Besseges 2.1 all 3
Dubai 2.HC Colombia 2.1 La Provence 2.1 4 3 3
Oman 2.HC Algarve 2.1 Ruta de Sol 2.1 Haut Var 2.1 4 2 2 2
Abu Dhabi 2.UWT 5

March
Thursday 01-mar
Friday 02-mar
Saturday 03-mar Strade Bianche 1.UWTLangkawi 2.HC
Sunday 04-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Monday 05-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Tuesday 06-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Wednesday07-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Thursday 08-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Friday 09-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Saturday 10-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC
Sunday 11-mar Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT
Monday 12-mar Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT
Tuesday 13-mar Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT
Wednesday14-mar
Thursday 15-mar
Friday 16-mar
Saturday 17-mar Milano - Sanremo 1.UWT
Sunday 18-mar
Monday 19-mar Catalunya 2.UWT
Tuesday 20-mar Catalunya 2.UWT
Wednesday21-mar Catalunya 2.UWT
Thursday 22-mar Catalunya 2.UWT Coppi e Bartali 2.1
Friday 23-mar E3 Harelbeke 1.UWT Catalunya 2.UWT Coppi e Bartali 2.1
Saturday 24-mar Catalunya 2.UWT Coppi e Bartali 2.1
Sunday 25-mar Gent-Wevelgem 1.UWTCatalunya 2.UWT Coppi e Bartali 2.1
Monday 26-mar
Tuesday 27-mar
Wednesday28-mar Dwars door Vlaanderen 1.UWT
Thursday 29-mar
Friday 30-mar
Saturday 31-mar

Paris - Nice 2.UWT Tirreno - Adriatico 2.UWT Langkawi 2.HC 4 4 3
Catalunya 2.UWT Coppi e Bartali 2.1 4 3/2

April
Sunday 01-apr Ronde van Vlaanderen 1.UWT Thailand 2.1
Monday 02-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT Thailand 2.1
Tuesday 03-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT Thailand 2.1 Pays de la Loire 2.1
Wednesday04-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT Thailand 2.1 Pays de la Loire 2.1
Thursday 05-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT Thailand 2.1 Pays de la Loire 2.1
Friday 06-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT Thailand 2.1
Saturday 07-apr Pais Vasco 2.UWT
Sunday 08-apr Paris - Roubaix 1.UWT
Monday 09-apr
Tuesday 10-apr
Wednesday11-apr
Thursday 12-apr
Friday 13-apr
Saturday 14-apr
Sunday 15-apr Amstel Gold Race 1.UWT
Monday 16-apr
Tuesday 17-apr Croatia 2.HC
Wednesday18-apr La Flèche Wallonne 1.UWTCroatia 2.HC
Thursday 19-apr Croatia 2.HC
Friday 20-apr Croatia 2.HC
Saturday 21-apr Croatia 2.HC
Sunday 22-apr Liège-Bastogne-Liège 1.UWTCroatia 2.HC
Monday 23-apr Alpes 2.HC
Tuesday 24-apr Romandie 2.UWT Alpes 2.HC
Wednesday25-apr Romandie 2.UWT Alpes 2.HC
Thursday 26-apr Romandie 2.UWT Alpes 2.HC
Friday 27-apr Romandie 2.UWT Alpes 2.HC Asturias 2.1
Saturday 28-apr Romandie 2.UWT Asturias 2.1
Sunday 29-apr Romandie 2.UWT Asturias 2.1
Monday 30-apr

Pais Vasco 2.UWT Pays de la Loire 2.1 5 3
Croatia 2.HC 4
Romandie 2.UWT Alpes 2.HC Asturias 2.1 5 4 3/2

May
Tuesday 01-mag Eschborn-Frankfurt 1.UWT
Wednesday02-mag
Thursday 03-mag Yorkshire 2.1
Friday 04-mag Yorkshire 2.1 Madrid 2.1
Saturday 05-mag Giro 2.UWT Yorkshire 2.1 Madrid 2.1
Sunday 06-mag Giro 2.UWT Yorkshire 2.1 Madrid 2.1
Monday 07-mag Giro 2.UWT
Tuesday 08-mag Giro 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC
Wednesday09-mag Giro 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC Azerbaijan 2.1
Thursday 10-mag Giro 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC Azerbaijan 2.1
Friday 11-mag Giro 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC Azerbaijan 2.1 Aragon 2.1
Saturday 12-mag Giro 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC Azerbaijan 2.1 Aragon 2.1
Sunday 13-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC Azerbaijan 2.1Aragon 2.1
Monday 14-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT
Tuesday 15-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT
Wednesday16-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Norway 2.HC
Thursday 17-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Norway 2.HC
Friday 18-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Norway 2.HC Ain 2.1
Saturday 19-mag Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Norway 2.HC Ain 2.1
Sunday 20-mag Giro 2.UWT Norway 2.HC Ain 2.1 Japan 2.1
Monday 21-mag Giro 2.UWT Japan 2.1
Tuesday 22-mag Giro 2.UWT Fjords 2.HC Japan 2.1
Wednesday23-mag Giro 2.UWT Fjords 2.HC Belgium 2.HC Japan 2.1
Thursday 24-mag Giro 2.UWT Fjords 2.HC Belgium 2.HC Japan 2.1
Friday 25-mag Giro 2.UWT Belgium 2.HC Hammer Stavanger 2.1 Japa 2.1 Estonia 2.1
Saturday 26-mag Giro 2.UWT Belgium 2.HC Hammer Stavanger 2.1 Japan 2.1 Estonia 2.1
Sunday 27-mag Giro 2.UWT Belgium 2.HC Hammer Stavanger 2.1 Japan 2.1
Monday 28-mag
Tuesday 29-mag Peace race 2.1
Wednesday30-mag Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Korea 2.1
Thursday 31-mag Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Korea 2.1 Mayenne 2.1

without reform of prices, out all 2.1 in \\ with GTs no tours in yellow and red. with reform out only red
Giro 2.UWT Yorkshire 2.1 Madrid 2.1 5 2 2
Giro 2.UWT California 2.UWT Dunkerque 2.HC 5 3 3
Norway 2.HC 3
Giro 2.UWT Fjords 2.HC Belgium 2.HC 5 3 3
Giro 2.UWT Belgium 2.HC Hammer Stavanger 2.1 Estonia 2.1 5 3 2 2
Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Mayenne 2.1 4 2 2

June
Friday 01-giu Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Korea 2.1 Mayenne 2.1
Saturday 02-giu Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Korea 2.1 Mayenne 2.1 Sunday 03-giu Dauphiné 2.HC Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Korea 2.1 Mayenne 2.1
Monday 04-giu Dauphiné 2.HC
Tuesday 05-giu Dauphiné 2.HC
Wednesday06-giu Dauphiné 2.HC
Thursday 07-giu Dauphiné 2.HC
Friday 08-giu Dauphiné 2.HC
Saturday 09-giu Dauphiné 2.HC Suisse 2.HC
Sunday 10-giu Dauphiné 2.HC Suisse 2.HC
Monday 11-giu Suisse 2.HC
Tuesday 12-giu Suisse 2.HC
Wednesday13-giu Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1
Thursday 14-giu Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1 Route du Sud 2.1
Friday 15-giu Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1 Route du Sud 2.1
Saturday 16-giu Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1 Route du Sud 2.1
Sunday 17-giu Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1 Route du Sud 2.1
Monday 18-giu
Tuesday 19-giu
Wednesday20-giu Adriatica Ionica 2.1
Thursday 21-giu Adriatica Ionica 2.1
Friday 22-giu Adriatica Ionica 2.1
Saturday 23-giu Adriatica Ionica 2.1
Sunday 24-giu Adriatica Ionica 2.1
Monday 25-giu
Tuesday 26-giu
Wednesday27-giu
Thursday 28-giu
Friday 29-giu
Saturday 30-giu

Dauphiné 2.HC Luxembourg 2.HC Peace race 2.1 Mayenne 2.1 4 4 2 2
Dauphiné 2.HC Suisse 2.HC 4 4
Suisse 2.HC Ster ZLM Toer 2.1 Slovenie 2.1 Route du Sud 2.1 4 2 2 2
Adriatica Ionica 2.1 4/5

July
Sunday 01-lug
Monday 02-lug
Tuesday 03-lug
Wednesday04-lug Sibiu 2.1
Thursday 05-lug Sibiu 2.1
Friday 06-lug Sibiu 2.1
Saturday 07-lug France 2.UWT Sibiu 2.1
Sunday 08-lug France 2.UWT Sibiu 2.1
Monday 09-lug France 2.UWT
Tuesday 10-lug France 2.UWT
Wednesday11-lug France 2.UWT
Thursday 12-lug France 2.UWT
Friday 13-lug France 2.UWT
Saturday 14-lug France 2.UWT
Sunday 15-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Monday 16-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Tuesday 17-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Wednesday18-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Thursday 19-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Friday 20-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Saturday 21-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Sunday 22-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Monday 23-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Tuesday 24-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Wednesday25-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Thursday 26-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC
Friday 27-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC
Saturday 28-lug France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC
Sunday 29-lug Prudential Ride London 1.UWT France 2.UWT Wallonie 2.HC
Monday 30-lug Wallonie 2.HC
Tuesday 31-lug Burgos 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC

France 2.UWT Sibiu 2.1 5 3
France 2.UWT Qinghai Lake 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC 5 3 3
Burgos 2.HC 3

August
Wednesday 01-ago Burgos 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC Denmark 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Thursday 02-ago Burgos 2.HC Denmark 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Friday 03-ago Burgos 2.HC Denmark 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Saturday 04-ago San Sebastian 1.UWT Polonie 2.UWT Burgos 2.HC Denmark 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Sunday 05-ago Polonie 2.UWT Denmark 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Monday 06-ago Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Tuesday 07-ago Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Wednesday08-ago Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC Portugal 2.1
Thursday 09-ago Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC Portugal 2.1 Czech 2.1
Friday 10-ago Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC Portugal 2.1 Czech 2.1
Saturday 11-ago Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC Portugal 2.1 Czech 2.1
Sunday 12-ago Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC Portugal 2.1 Czech 2.1
Monday 13-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT
Tuesday 14-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT
Wednesday15-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Limousin 2.1
Thursday 16-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Colorado 2.HC Limousin 2.1
Friday 17-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Colorado 2.HC Limousin 2.1
Saturday 18-ago Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Colorado 2.HC Limousin 2.1
Sunday 19-ago Hamburg 1.UWT Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Colorado 2.HC
Monday 20-ago
Tuesday 21-ago Poitou 2.1
Wednesday22-ago Poitou 2.1
Thursday 23-ago Poitou 2.1
Friday 24-ago Poitou 2.1
Saturday 25-ago Vuelta 2.UWT
Sunday 26-ago Bretagne 1.UWT Vuelta 2.UWT
Monday 27-ago Vuelta 2.UWT
Tuesday 28-ago Vuelta 2.UWT
Wednesday29-ago Vuelta 2.UWT Slovaquiè 2.1
Thursday 30-ago Vuelta 2.UWT Slovaquiè 2.1
Friday 31-ago Vuelta 2.UWT Alberta 2.1Slovaquiè2.1

Burgos 2.HC Wallonie 2.HC Denmark 2.HC 3 3 3
Polonie 2.UWT Utah 2.HC Artic Race 2.HC 3 3 3
Binck Bank Tour 2.UWT Colorado 2.HC Limousin 2.1 3 3 3/2
Poitou 2.1 4
Vuelta 2.UWT Alberta 2.1 Slovaquiè2.1 5 2 2

September
Saturday 01-set Vuelta 2.UWT Alberta 2.1 Slovaquiè 2.1
Sunday 02-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC Alberta 2.1 Slovaquiè 2.1
Monday 03-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC Alberta 2.1
Tuesday 04-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC
Wednesday05-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC
Thursday 06-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC
Friday 07-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC
Saturday 08-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC China I 2.1
Sunday 09-set Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC China I 2.1
Monday 10-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Tuesday 11-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Wednesday12-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Thursday 13-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Friday 14-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Saturday 15-set Vuelta 2.UWT China I 2.1
Sunday 16-set Vuelta 2.UWT
Monday 17-set China II 2.1
Tuesday 18-set China II 2.1 Toscana 2.1
Wednesday19-set China II 2.1 Toscana 2.1
Thursday 20-set China II 2.1 Zagreb 2.1
Friday 21-set China II 2.1 Zagreb 2.1
Saturday 22-set China II 2.1 Zagreb 2.1
Sunday 23-set China II 2.1
Monday 24-set
Tuesday 25-set
Wednesday26-set
Thursday 27-set
Friday 28-set
Saturday 29-set Almaty 2.1
Sunday 30-set Almaty 2.1

Vuelta 2.UWT Britain 2.HC Alberta 2.1 Slovaquiè 2.1 5 3 2 2 or only one between Alberta and Slovaquiè
Toscana 2.1 4
Zagreb 2.1 4

October
Saturday 01-ott
Sunday 02-ott
Saturday 03-ott
Sunday 04-ott
Saturday 05-ott
Sunday 06-ott Taihu Lake 2.1
Saturday 07-ott Taihu Lake 2.1
Sunday 08-ott Taihu Lake 2.1
Saturday 09-ott Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1
Sunday 10-ott Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1
Saturday 11-ott Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1
Sunday 12-ott Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1
Saturday 13-ott Lombardia 1.UWT Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1
Sunday 14-ott Turkey 2.UWT
Saturday 15-ott
Sunday 16-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Saturday 17-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Sunday 18-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Saturday 19-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Sunday 20-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Saturday 21-ott Guangxi 2.UWT
Sunday 22-ott
Saturday 23-ott
Sunday 24-ott
Saturday 25-ott
Sunday 26-ott
Saturday 27-ott
Sunday 28-ott
Saturday 29-ott
Sunday 30-ott
Saturday 31-ott

Turkey 2.UWT Taihu Lake 2.1 4 2
Guangxi 2.UWT 5
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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Pokemon Club » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:15 pm

Luques will never accept no tropicale in 2018

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Re: General Table Also For The Real Season

Post by Coroncina2 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:06 pm

Pokemon Club wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:15 pm
Luques will never accept no tropicale in 2018
So we can add that😊
Not so many tour in January.
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