cataracs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:40 pm
Sounds like 2021is going to be a "normal" cycling season. So just treat it like usual?
We actually don't know that, normal season.
I think there will be cancellations, normally not as many as 2020 of course, but doubt all the races will be held. Especially races outside Europe, starting with San Juan, then Colombia, then the Middle Eastern races are at risk I think, races that at least in part rely on big WT teams showing up. With travel restrictions, quarantines etc. all the bubbles might not be enough to save some. But for the moment they seemed planned, even if the other day when I checked some races on the PCS calendar had (TBC) written, guess that means to be confirmed.
As I said above, I expect us to follow our 2020 rules in general. See my first post here. But of course they can be changed, this for example
Pokemon Club wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:08 pm
Maybe we can decide a rule like "we don't ride each races which are cancel 1 month before we ride it", or someting like that ?
would be a new rule.
But a change of the 2020 policy would need a sizeable majority... not 3-2 or so, 5-0, then ok. I take silence as agreement more often than not (if an idea is actually stated somewhere relevant, so in this case silence to me sounds like agreement with the status quo, meaning 2020 rules) Another problem of course is that some people are too uniformed, too arrogant to actually KNOW the rules we had for 2020, (Gipfel knows them, others too)
So short: Expect cancellations, expect that they will be dealt with the same way as 2020.
Now Down Under doesn't directly fall into any 2020 rule, because it has been cancelled even before the season started. (Ok, technically just as it started since the UCI in its unparalleled wisdom somehow starts the season in November, while contracts start in January...)
That's why IMO it's justified to come up and be discussed separately from "normal in season covid 19 cancellations". Of course it is a Covid 19 casualty too, so deciding that it's a "normal Covid cancellation" works too. But that classification is not automatic in this case, the early cancellation BEFORE the season (let's ignore the UCI) started makes it a bit different. And might not be the only one, maybe some races will be cancelled in the next month too, then deal with them the same way we deal with Down Under.
If I'm not mistaken so far we have the following proposals for Down Under
-design fantasy. (1)
-ride 2020 (2)
-cancel (3)
- If ride 2020 but as cat 1 was proposed too.
Since my preference for cancel over ride 2020 is sort of 52-48 I didn't include myself. Plus my opinion changed anyway.
They just announced today that they will organize a 4 day sausage local tour instead:
https://tourdownunder.com.au/blog-artic ... nuary-2021
Relevant part:
followed by a 4-stage National Road Series (NRS) race with Men’s and Women’s stages held on the same day, showcasing the Barossa, Adelaide Hills and Fleurieu regions.
Participation I guess local Australian riders mostly, CT teams etc. Maybe Richie Porte etc can participate if they are in Australia anyway, no idea.
Anyway, this to me looks like the best solution, ride this 4 day thing as category 1, as "Festival of Cycling" Donks supports this 90% (with the remaining 10% now for ride 2020) And will still overlap with San Juan I think, as usual I oppose changing that... (hopefully in the majority this time, not like Dauphiné...)
But it's not the only race cancelled already:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/races.p ... ter=Filter
Amissa Bongo, Langkawi, no problem, didn't ride them most of the time anyway. Yorkshire overlaps Romandie and Asturias, so no problem either, depending on how many people play it wouldn't be in the calendar anyway, if they cancel Romandie again before we finalize the April calendar and have no profiles according to the 2020 rules it's Asturias, so we don't need Yorkshire either. (and if Asturias is cancelled we go back to Romandie, all according to those 2020 rules)
1 day races? Evans, Torquay, Tacx? Cancelled already, what do we do? Cancel or ride the last available profile? I would have no problem with cancelling, already announced now. Tacx might not even be because of Covid, if they cancel that early.
On the idea to ride cat 1
Rasmussen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:57 am
And if somebody thinks we have to ride 2020 profiles or fantasy profiles please use category 1 and not the normal category.
As a general rule? Even for in-season cancellations? IMO worth thinking about, races that are cancelled already when the monthly calendar is finalized get a lower category. IMO all cat 1 is a bit harsh, but -1 would be fine. So if the Giro is cancelled it's only cat 4. (Postponed is another issue, stays cat 5) The problem here is a bit that we would need more than just Gipfel checking the categories in the preview, there's sure to be forgotten changes, and maybe he doesn't catch all either....
And we don't need to decide all now of course, but what to do with pre season cancellations can be decided now.
So for the moment:
Down Under: I now newly propose their 4 day replacement event. (now 1 vote) Tiny majority for the moment for cancel (which as it stands would mean my recommendation to Luques would be keep)
Other stage races for the moment no issue: But if others become one? Here I guess it's the same as for Down Under tiny cancel majority.
One day races? The Australian ones and Taxc? I'm for cancel there. (Taxc 100%, the Australian ones being surely directly Covid related, less, but still, 75% let's say) (Or if they organize it as national something like the Down Under replacement, ride that possibly, as cat 1)