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Post by lesossies » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:37 am

I´ll programm more Div 5+6 races in the next time.
I´ll try to reserve one time/day, principally for fatasy races.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:41 am

Do you want to give them an extra race or will it be the same as for the open races?

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by lesossies » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:51 am

At first, the same races then the other divs.
It shall be a little help for beginners.
The field-splittings were not working so well as I hoped and for some daytimes they have absolutely no effect.
I hope it doesn´t disturb too much the other divs.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:51 am

Good!

But... not sure if it's a good idea to just take one of the times and make it a D5+6 race.

Sherlock Klebt already found out that the GP San Francisco will be ridden at 10-15-18-20-22. With 15 only for D5+6. Which basically means that the afternoon managers who are in D1-4 and not riding Catalunya can't ride that day. Same will happen with the morning when the morning gets its D5+6 race.
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:34 pm

Agree. Better would be to run the D5+6 race simultaneously to one of the other scheduled races, so that all times stay more or less covered by open races throughout the day.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Cerro Torre RT » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:30 am

Which does releave one question: If a DIV5+6 race is scheduled simultaneously to a normal race, will a team of Div 5+6 still be able to take part into the "normal" race? I would apriciate that as for beginners it is better to learn and some experienced teams may prefer to take part there even with a worse team.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:28 pm

D5-6 races:

01. 19h (17-21 the closest open races)
06: 19h (17-21)
08: 10h (14)
09: 13h (10-16)
10: 17h (14-19)
19: 18h (16-20)
27: 18h (15-20)

2 things:

1: Why the "hate" for the early evening? And the "love" for the normal evening and late evening? OK, probably you'll add more races D5+6 races still, right now the early evening (17-19 for me) has 5 races that D1-4 can't ride, that's already a lot for one month. While the evening is at 0.

2: Still don't like the "take away from D1-4" policy. For example 19h only for D5-6, then 17 and 21. Don't know, but could be kind of problematic for some..School, long long time ago when I was young and sexy instead of old and sexy I remember having school until 17.10 sometimes.. go home, 17:30 miss 30 minutes. Sucks. Other days maybe football, tennis, curling, athletics or whatever training... maybe miss time again. 21 the next race, for some maybe too late. School the next day, no computer after 22h rule, whatever. Right now it seems you add a race, then spread them out a bit and reserve one for D5+6.
Day x, 5 races. 10-15-18-21-23 Add one D5+6, ok, then I make it 10-14-17-19-21-23. But by taking away the 19 for example then you punish those whose 3 h window is 18-20.. Better to leave 10-15-18-21-23 (or whatever you decide to do that day), THEN add the extra race. 10-15-18-19-21-23 and 19 only for D5+6. Or if it's in the morning, instead of 10-14-17-19-21-23 with D5+6 at ten, then 4 races after 17, make it 10-11-14-17-20-23 or something like that. 11 or 10 only for D5-6, but don't take away the morning for D1-4. Makes no sense. Some D5 might then want to ride with the big ones? Why not.. who cares. No problem. The morning D1-4 race then might be too small (especially in the morning we've had that problem again sometimes lately..) again, who cares. It's mostly cat 1 races, unless a time regularly only get's 2-8 teams there is no problem, one or 2 or 3 one day races per month with only 5 or so teams in a cat1 race... not a big deal, not perfect but can happen and is ok. Better than taking away a race from a time completely to give it to D5-6 while increasing the choice for the other times.
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by lesossies » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:49 pm

OK
I made the error to plan 6 races and to take one away for Div5.
In the future, I´ll try to plan 5 racetimes for all divs and plan 1 racetime for Div.5.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:27 pm

Ich hoffe war der sommer effekt, aber die letzte 2 monaten, waren in sicht Noobs und Multi eine KATASTROPHE!

Ich bin der meinung, das mussen noch mehr rennen angeboten für "NUR" div 5 und 6, und das, Klassiker ab kat. 5 "NUR" div.1 bis 4 geohren.
Ausser, will ich sagen, nach die beispiel in ENECO feld 2 15 uhr, bin gegen RF für mannschaft mit weniger als 20 rennen(bei Lesrubis wurde ich die 150 rennen :lol: ), und bei GT, wurde ich mir jetzt gut uberlegen wenn st gut div. 6 team fahren zu lassen.
Bin einverstanden mit der einfuhrung von eine WILD-CARD für manche div. 5 team, aber mit eine starke selection.


Ich glaube was letzte zeit in RSF passiert nicht gut ist für alle, alte wie neue spieler
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:00 pm

Die unteren Divs bräuchten einen separaten Rennkalander, anstatt einfach die selben Rennen nur ohne Beteiligung der höheren Divs zu fahren.


The lower divs could need a seperate racing calendar, instead of simply doing the same races only without the participation of the higher divs.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:31 pm

Man konnte für die Div.5-6 rennen, die UCI 2.2, und fantasy rennen, plus alte rennen von RSF benutzen
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:40 pm

Und was fahren dann die Divs 1-4 an Tagen, an denen es keine echten UCI-Rennen oberhalb von 2.2/1.2 gibt?

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:43 pm

Ha, Idee: andere Fantasy-Rennen! :idea:

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by claw » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:53 pm

Luna wrote:Ha, Idee: andere Fantasy-Rennen! :idea:

dafür gibts doch die editierfunktion :P
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:18 am

also, rennen in reale, gibt genug, RF jede menge, nicht nur was wir zeichnen...manche tages gibt schon 6-7 rennen.
Ich Glaube das gibt genug stoff für alles,und wie gesagt, manche alte RSF rennen(reale oder Fantasy) kann man auch wieder mal benutzten
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Rockstar Inc » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:29 am

auxilium torino wrote:Ich Glaube das gibt genug stoff für alles,und wie gesagt, manche alte RSF rennen(reale oder Fantasy) kann man auch wieder mal benutzten
no no no...don't even think about it...fantasy races with different way to ride...yes...but the same race two or more times? noo
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:24 am

auxilium torino wrote:also, rennen in reale, gibt genug, RF jede menge, nicht nur was wir zeichnen...manche tages gibt schon 6-7 rennen.
Es gibt aber nicht für jedes Amateurrennen auch die Profile oder Streckenbeschreibungen im Internet

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:23 am

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auxilium torino wrote:Ich Glaube das gibt genug stoff für alles,und wie gesagt, manche alte RSF rennen(reale oder Fantasy) kann man auch wieder mal benutzten
no no no...don't even think about it...fantasy races with different way to ride...yes...but the same race two or more times? noo
Letztes jahr waren ein paar fantasy rennen 2 mal in kalender, und ich meine nicht das man die selber strecke mehrer mal fahren muss(Für seriose und faires team mit X gefahrenes rennen wurde ich eine Wild-Card einfürhen), aber, die beispiel von Monte Paschi benutzen:
elite renne am 5 marz
Dann wird in oktober(bin nicht sicher jetzt) eine etwas kurze version gefahren, plus eine Crono (30 km circa).
Inzu kommt die ganze programm aus UCI Asia + Sudamerika, was bei uns 1% kommt.
Noch zusatzlich, konnte man die Div. 1 bis 4 etwas vergrossern weil zur zeit die div. 5 und 6 unten enorme zuwachs "leiden".

Ich bin auch der meinung von Luna, wann her sagt, das manche rennen muss man sich "verdienen";die kalender in 2 zu teilen wurde auch manche team halten von die ewiges "in div. 5 bleiben" um die vorteile zu profitieren, weil ab div.5 musste man auf manche rennen verzichten.
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by JPS Classics » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:41 pm

Irgendwie bin ich gegen Div 1-4 und 5-6

Lieber Div 1-5 + 6b (b sind ja meistens inaktive "könner"). Aber mal anders gefragt, wie sollen neue Teams etwas lernen, wenn Sie ihr eigenes Programm haben, ohne Teams wie Quick & Co.

Diese Teams sind ja ein Richtungszeig, wie ein Team später aussehen sollte und wo man superbe Fahrweise erkennt.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:09 pm

Ich glaube ist viel einfach das fehler von ZC zu korrigieren, als in rennen, wo ich auch ins rennen bin, voll gestresst wegen eine Noob sieb, und meine rennen, dann vermasseln , weil 10 minuten lange soll ich jemand was erklaeren!

Bei TTT vor 2 tages war so.
um eine zu arklaeren das Multi nicht regelkonform sind, hab ich 15 minuten!!! verpasst!
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Luna » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:58 pm

@JPS: Es würde/müsste dann trotz allem immernoch Renntage geben, an denen sich die "Gruppen" vermischen, also die Rennen offen sind.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by lesossies » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:04 am

Juli und August ein bisschen chaotisch aber im ganzen was es bei meinen Rennen OK.
Div 5-6 Rennen werde ich wohl wieder einführen müssen obwohl es zus. Arbeit ist.
Mal sehen wie es ab September läuft.

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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by auxilium torino » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:47 am

ich denke es ist zeit RF zu verbieten am div. 6 teams!
es werden immer mehr RF gezeichnet, und mitlerweiler ist eine katastrophe mit multi...melden sich 30 teams, 5 bis 10 fahren kein km. manche sind mit 2-3 unterweg(alle activ), fresch, antworten uberhaupt nicht, weil wissen, das sowieso wird nicht passieren...Buhmann, muss aufwachen, ist zeit fur regeln anderung, in jede andere spiel selber IP ist multi, und du muss beweisen das nicht so was ist...bekommst sofort eine sperre, fur eine woche...ist zeit zu handeln.
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:15 pm

Have to say I'm not tooooooooo happy with how it's going now.

1) Still only very very very very few D6 or D5-6 stage races. And the ones that were in the last months were pure sprinter tours. That are simply boring (not dissing sprinters, but I'm sure they are bored in pure sprinter tours with 25 riders with 92+ sprint and a sprint everyday too. Make it 1-2 a month, and not only sprinter tours.
2) Cat 4 classics for D5-6 or D6 only. IMO those are races that don't deserve their own D5/6 edition. Not sure what the policy on who is allowed to ride classics is now, keeps changing, but either let them ride the normal ones in group 2, or don't let them ride, but don't offer their own edition. Even for cat 3 IMO shouldn't happen.


But ok, Buh has kind of announced that there will be a new division. Nobody knows from when on. So the Elite will be D1-5. D6 what D5 is now, then D7 and 7b

My proposal for 2012

Cat 6: Only D1-5, different race for D6+7, depending on what race it is not only d6/7 but d4-7 or d2-7 or even d1-7 (not a monument, but Tours Beghelli for example, Beghelli should be open for everybody, cat 3, important enough)
Cat 5: The same,
Cat 4 D1-6
Cat 3: D1-7
For those races, NEVER a separate D6+7 or D7 edition.
Cat 2: D1-7
Cat 1: D1-7
For those to regularly D6-7 editions like we had this year. And if there is a more imporant race parallel, for example Cat 3 and Cat 1, cat 1 closed to D1 and maybe even 2 would make sense as well.
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Re: Div 5 + 6 Races

Post by lesossies » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:58 pm

My proposal for 2012

Cat 6: Only D1-5, altern. race for D6+7
Cat 5: The same,
Cat 4: D1-6, altern. race for D7
Cat 3: D1-6, altern. race for D6+7
Cat 2: D1-7 + 1 altern. time for D7 or D6+7, 1 time/day , if the computer decides it
Cat 1: D1-7 + 1 altern. time for D7 or D6+7, 1 time/day , if the computer decides it

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