It's now technically possible, but there are never any races for them? A few directly when it became technically possible, the one stage race in July, nothing else. Why not? Makes no sense. At first the argument was "there's splits, it works fine, we don't need it" (also there were hurt feelings involved since Gipfel felt Alk had intruded on his little kingdom).
Now we don't have splits either. Instead we have some days with 6 editions. Which is a rather safe way to avoid splits. Now having 6 editions is not wrong. It offers more people the possibility. But having days with 6 edition doesn't mean we can't have other days with a race only for D6. Ideally for fantasy races or max cat 2 1 day races.
And I think it would be good for new teams to have the occasional D6 only edition. Not only to give them wins, even the successful newcomers from the April wave don't have tons of wins. A few more successes probably wouldn't hurt the motivation. But the other reason is to ride against opponents of similar experience. It allows them more freedom, it allows them to shape the race, find their own style more easily. Not like riding vs us veterans where often even the escapes end up going without them, when then tempo in the peloton is discouraged, since they don't have any favorites. We all enjoyed watching their first races, their D6 races, the wildness, the learning, was interesting to see. And I usually don't watch other races much, that was interesting. But after that? No, no D6 races. Again, don't think it makes sense, especially with the big D6 we have right now.
Yes the counter argument will be: Then comebackers come and dominate them? Of course a few will take advantage of that. But right they have all veterans who take advantage of them. 2 teams per race vs 10? D6 races is still easier, more motivating and maybe at times more fun. Let them learn, let them get their experiences, let them have the freedom to shape their races, without being forced into a fixed pattern. Let them have some races without or with less veterans around.
By now we really should be having 2, 3 D6 only editions per week. Maybe none when there's lots in parallel, but now even with the Vuelta parallel.. at least 1 per week, unless there's another stage race going on.. .should be ok. Same race as the rest, 4 general edition, 1 for D6, time can move a bit, mostly evening, but offer one in the morning, one in the afternoon at least once, if you then see that there's 0 participation there drop it... And we still can have the days when there's 6 races, one doesn't rule out the other.
Also long term the Donkey proposes:
Real cat 1 races=only D6
Monuments: Only D1-D5
Cat 5 classics:
-Weekend ones without any other WT race parallel=D1-5 (so Gent, Plouay, Montréal would be open, Catalunya and Vuelta parallel)
-Weekday ones: without any other race parallel=D1-5 (makes the Flèche open (and E3, Québéc and possibly others too) since usually we have Alps parallel.
But that's long term since for that we would need D1-5 to be bigger, and that for the moment has stalled.
So for the moment I ask; Why are there not more D6 editions? What are the arguments against it?
Races/editions for D6
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Races/editions for D6
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Yamaka Corse
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Re: Races/editions for D6
We had Lippe tour but personally I didn't have the feeling it was a good thing for beginners..
Rejoining players destroyed the new ones. A good cap could be Eternal points or Stage played, just the division doesn't mean anything
But I agree as I wrote somewhere few months ago, new players need some stages where try to control or be fancy. Split just don't mean good chances for new players but easy win for D4 - 5 teams
Rejoining players destroyed the new ones. A good cap could be Eternal points or Stage played, just the division doesn't mean anything
But I agree as I wrote somewhere few months ago, new players need some stages where try to control or be fancy. Split just don't mean good chances for new players but easy win for D4 - 5 teams
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