National Commitee: Pakal Ixpiyacoc
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:57 pm
In todays 15:00 race (Paris - Bourges) we had some discussions about (possible) names (complete chat below).
This case can be discussed right now. I pointed everything out why I don't see a problem with the name at all and why all translations of 'God' as a first name are not okay. I will not participate further in the discussion as I'm part of the NC and I am part of this conflict.
Complete chat will be a second post in this thread.
We answered as follows:AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR) wrote:AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:04): about NC Gip, I have a question. Can a rider be named "Dieu"/"God"/"Allah"/"Yahvé"/"Gott"/... ? I suppose no, but I would like your confirmation.
AGF later specified it to surnames.Schnuggeritos(16:09): AGF, normally, these names should not pass as first names. With the surnames it is another story.
Gipfelstuermer(16:09): so I think No @AGF
Gipfelstuermer(16:09): from the rules "All first names and last names should exist in reality or at least sound realistic."
There is some writing about the surname Gott and the first name Gottfried (both in German speaking countries) and then AGF gets to the point:AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:10): ah ok I missed your second part of answer Gipfel
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:10): I talk about "family names", to be precise, Schnugg
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:09): so "Gott" name "sounds realistic" ?
So, just to point out: I told AGF 6 minutes before that surnames are a bit different (to handle) and now it's about the surname of my rider Pakal. A discussion about the general handling arises. A discussion about general handling arises and some whataboutism comes in.AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:13): not against you Schnugg Just one more example that "there is no management" of this game, and that rules are different for some^^
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:12): not that I find a pb to have a rider named "Ixpiyacoc", I absolutely do not care. But what I care is equity in the rules application for everyone.
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:11): Then, are rules different for NC teams and others? I say that because... in an NC team here on the race, there is a rider which family name is NOT a local family name, but the name of an ancient Divinity...
Alive And Dead(16:15): its like feeding the troll
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:16): when you are a NC member, imho, you have to show example/act with examplarity.
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:16): well, Gipfel, it is more like the police itself is driving too fast, and they got nothing...
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:17): one more unbalanced thing in this game
My answer to his point regarding PakalAGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:19): there is no troll, I love this game and I try to do it better for everyone, not for a small number of teams that make it good for themselves (I have examples with Alk, with Donkey, now with Schnugg [this one does not change anything on the game, I like Paxal name and I wish he could keep it, but on the principle, one more thing different for a few...]
Now it's about his former rider "Lory Classico" which was requested by whomever as a NC case. Tbh I don't know who exactly did the first decission and who accpted it.Schnuggeritos(16:19): I totally inderstand your point, AGF but as far as I know Mayans (sometimes) named their childrens like their gods. Maybe I'm wrong,
AGF answered to my message 3 mins before:AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:20): (and was removed by Schnugg himself^^)
AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:20): yes Gipfel, there is a timing thing. But Classico was also bought and named before the new NC even existed. But her nationality was removed...
So my comment on that: There is still Maya population in Belize (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_peoples#Belize)AGF (Asso du Ghetto FR)(16:22): You are wrong on 2 plans, Schnugg. 1° Belizian from XXth/XXIst century people are not Mayans from XVth. 2° It was an exclusive Divinity family named never beared by any Mayan, as far as we/historian know. But good try for defending. Could you open a NC case against yourself to let the other members of it discuss of that? And include the fact you tried to pass through a rule that you impose to others?
The discussion switched to other points so I skip them. I just added the info that Ixpiyacoc is a name and not a term for a higher being.Schnuggeritos(16:33): to my chat message: of course not FPC, but NC
Schnuggeritos(16:29): well, AGF, you opened the case, I have to accept the decision of FPC. You are right that the country Belize and the mayan-culture are not the same but there are still mayans living in south america (e.g. in Belize). Maybe I was misinformed about the way children where named. So as I mentioned: I accept any decision of the FPC
I would also like to point out that in this day and age first names can also be used as last names. Otherwise, people with the last name Thomas, James or whatever would also have to be checked as they have a first name as family name.Schnuggeritos(17:04): Schnuggeritos(16:09): AGF, normally, these names should not pass as first names. With the surnames it is another story. <-- I told you that surnames are handled differently as there are real surnames like "Gott" and all its translations (god, dieu, ...). Allah is the arabic translation. Ixpiyacoc is just a name.
This case can be discussed right now. I pointed everything out why I don't see a problem with the name at all and why all translations of 'God' as a first name are not okay. I will not participate further in the discussion as I'm part of the NC and I am part of this conflict.
Complete chat will be a second post in this thread.