Who was the best climber in 2016?
Gasper Katrasnik (SM Team) : Tour de France winner, Giro winner, Vuelta winner, Liège Bastogne Liège winner, Classica San Sebastian winner + 2 green jerseys in GTs
Noah Klinkhammer (Wookie) : Tour de France winner, Plouay winner, La Flèche Wallonne winner, green jersey at Le Tour, numerous wins on cat 4 races.
Paquito Ortiz (Liquigas-CND) : Tour de France winner, Giro winner, Vuelta winner, numerous cat 4 tours wins and 2 red and 1 green jerseys in GTs
2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
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2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Team : SM Team
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
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Liquigas-CND
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
+ 40 Victories and 12 tours won by Paq,
Gasper only half of above.
Noah 34 wins and 9 tours.
Paq 3 rd alld time in the points classification..
But it does not matter anyway...
Gasper only half of above.
Noah 34 wins and 9 tours.
Paq 3 rd alld time in the points classification..
But it does not matter anyway...
-GC: Giro'15,'16,18,19;TDF'16,'18,'20;Vuelta'16,'17,'18;Tirreno'16,Catalunya'16,'18,Suisse'16,Romandie'16, Vasco'19,Andes'16
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
With Paq every lost Tour was a shame and you didnt even went for everthing with him so dont cry!
Both guys are within 4k eternal so thats no argument and La Doyenne + San Sebastian (Gasper) or Wallone + Plouay (Noah) can easily compete with Emilia, Milano-Torino and stuff like Suisse or Utah.
Both guys are within 4k eternal so thats no argument and La Doyenne + San Sebastian (Gasper) or Wallone + Plouay (Noah) can easily compete with Emilia, Milano-Torino and stuff like Suisse or Utah.
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
hi ,
Just wanted to mention 2-3 more criteria of evaluation if possible.
I did not need and expect to win any of these categories ... because I am not popular enough even if lets say Paq had in palmares Lombardia and one more classic.
Just wanted to mention 2-3 more criteria of evaluation if possible.
I did not need and expect to win any of these categories ... because I am not popular enough even if lets say Paq had in palmares Lombardia and one more classic.
-GC: Giro'15,'16,18,19;TDF'16,'18,'20;Vuelta'16,'17,'18;Tirreno'16,Catalunya'16,'18,Suisse'16,Romandie'16, Vasco'19,Andes'16
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Klinkhammer winning is just weird though...And wrong.
Can understand Ortiz vs Katrasnik, but Klinkhammer?
He won the Tour, plus a shitload of stages there (which makes me suspect his group was as weak as the others). Tour de Suisse and PAis Vasco as other important stage races. 3 classics, Fleche Wallonne, Plouay and Emilia (actually Plouay is not a classic, just a high category race). Impressive? Yes. But compared to the 2 others, just can't compete.
Both Katrasnik and Ortiz won the triple. But SM getting second place in all 3 GTs really shows how weak his groups were. And Liquigas got that too, a second place in the Vuelta. Giro and Tour the awesome Donkey was there, so really strong groups clearly! Ok, the Tour was weak too. While I thought that the Giro was actually an ok group. Not that Ortiz was ever in danger, his skills too high for that. But doesn't matter that much, they did the triple. And with that are already far above anything Klinkhammer did.
Katrasnik then added LBL and San Sebastian.
Ortiz has Tirreno, Romandie and Tour de Suisse. Then the fantasy triple, January tour, Andes and December tour, yes it's fantasy, but it's still the 4th, 5th and 6th longest stages races at RSF. His weakness compared to the 2 others are classics. But he still got Milano Torino and Emilia, so is not a complete failure there either, actually many, including me, would happily take Milano Torino and Emilia as classic wins for the year.
For me its clearly Ortiz. Can understand somebody going for Katrasnik, triple, a monument, superb palmares. But Klinkhammer? People voting for him should certainly have their right to vote revoked. He's far far away from the 2 others.
Can understand Ortiz vs Katrasnik, but Klinkhammer?
He won the Tour, plus a shitload of stages there (which makes me suspect his group was as weak as the others). Tour de Suisse and PAis Vasco as other important stage races. 3 classics, Fleche Wallonne, Plouay and Emilia (actually Plouay is not a classic, just a high category race). Impressive? Yes. But compared to the 2 others, just can't compete.
Both Katrasnik and Ortiz won the triple. But SM getting second place in all 3 GTs really shows how weak his groups were. And Liquigas got that too, a second place in the Vuelta. Giro and Tour the awesome Donkey was there, so really strong groups clearly! Ok, the Tour was weak too. While I thought that the Giro was actually an ok group. Not that Ortiz was ever in danger, his skills too high for that. But doesn't matter that much, they did the triple. And with that are already far above anything Klinkhammer did.
Katrasnik then added LBL and San Sebastian.
Ortiz has Tirreno, Romandie and Tour de Suisse. Then the fantasy triple, January tour, Andes and December tour, yes it's fantasy, but it's still the 4th, 5th and 6th longest stages races at RSF. His weakness compared to the 2 others are classics. But he still got Milano Torino and Emilia, so is not a complete failure there either, actually many, including me, would happily take Milano Torino and Emilia as classic wins for the year.
For me its clearly Ortiz. Can understand somebody going for Katrasnik, triple, a monument, superb palmares. But Klinkhammer? People voting for him should certainly have their right to vote revoked. He's far far away from the 2 others.
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Ortiz is not a pure climber. He cant win this. 
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Give it to Jack! He won everything important when he was still 85 mountain or less
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Liquigas-CND
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Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
And the winner is Liquigas-CND!!!
-GC: Giro'15,'16,18,19;TDF'16,'18,'20;Vuelta'16,'17,'18;Tirreno'16,Catalunya'16,'18,Suisse'16,Romandie'16, Vasco'19,Andes'16
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
-Stages won in GTs:57
-Classics:17
Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Nope, it's Paquito Ortiz as this is an individual award.Liquigas-CND wrote:And the winner is Liquigas-CND!!!
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Why are you feeding the the troll?^^team fl wrote:Nope, it's Paquito Ortiz as this is an individual award.Liquigas-CND wrote:And the winner is Liquigas-CND!!!
Re: 2016 RSF Awards - Climber of the year
Pure boredom.sgumgub wrote:Why are you feeding the the troll?^^team fl wrote:Nope, it's Paquito Ortiz as this is an individual award.Liquigas-CND wrote:And the winner is Liquigas-CND!!!
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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