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Jean Ollé Ollé ist now 23, 3/4 of the training done. And he is still at 87 sprint. Should I sell him and buy a new sprinter?

Thanks, clueless FL

Sell. No way out.

team fl wrote:Dear players/users/managers/whatevers

Jean Ollé Ollé ist now 23, 3/4 of the training done. And he is still at 87 sprint. Should I sell him and buy a new sprinter?

Thanks, clueless FL

even with lower requirements then me,you should sell this waste of hope and money

Train some hill if you also have the flatriders for it... and make selective sprintraces hard.

NoPikouze wrote:Train some hill if you also have the flatriders for it... and make selective sprintraces hard.

thought about that too. But with 87 sprint, I don't know. 90 ok, but 87...

Sell. Dont make a stupid hill loser from him. You can make a hill loser with someone with more sprint, I guess it's already too late to get him into mountain. What will he be? 54-58 with 88 max? Maybe 56 mountain? What races will he win like that? There's always a Schnorrer with the same mountain and 2-4 sprint more available in every race nowadays because the no-name-teams all have such riders. So sell and go for a new one.

Only problem is: I don't get much money out of selling him. Money I would need for other kind of riders. Grmpf.

team fl wrote:Only problem is: I don't get much money out of selling him. Money I would need for other kind of riders. Grmpf.

On the other hand, he won't become more valuable in terms of market price. And at least you get some money to start financing a new one.

Hello me again!

No clue how to invest my money again. I have some money now and this month no youth rider in the team, didnt know what to buy + didnt have enough money last month. At the end of this month i hope to have about 2,3 mio or more (i hope). So what to do now?

Flatrider?
Joker 31 right now so for him no jungrider needed, with only 89,86,84 (89 and 86 are 33year old) and no young flatrider in the team to achieve more than 85 flat. The only possibility is to buy a 87+ old guy, so that we can support Joker till he retires (and the market of flat riders not that great right now)

Sprinter?
Buying a young sprinter would mean at least 2 young flatriders before i buy him to have some support. not really interested of investing 6 mio for those 3 riders
buying a 50-59-80 and train him to 60-60-88 sprint or so, would be a good combination with Heaviside and I have some support riders for heaviside growing right now. I should than try to buy a real good supporter 60-86 (maybe a older one) but i still dont know if i should plan long term with heavi in the team.

Support for Gauß?
the aim again will be Lombardia and Gröbner and Mandel too old now, so buying a climber? a monsterclassic? hm dont know

anything else? please help

PS: i am thinking of buying a Huber for the team too, right now such kinf of rider would fit good in my team and there are good stage races in the coming months. problem only that there are so many hubers right now and there are no great available, Ciuffardi would be just ok i guess

Don't count too much on the transfer market. It's hard to get good 60-85s. Btw I'd go for another classic rider with 60+ sprint.

Lizard wrote:Don't count too much on the transfer market. It's hard to get good 60-85s. Btw I'd go for another classic rider with 60+ sprint.

I already have too many of them for not beeing a classics team at all

flockmastoR wrote:Hello me again!



Sprinter?
Buying a young sprinter would mean at least 2 young flatriders before i buy him to have some support. not really interested of investing 6 mio for those 3 riders
buying a 50-59-80 and train him to 60-60-88 sprint or so, would be a good combination with Heaviside and I have some support riders for heaviside growing right now. I should than try to buy a real good supporter 60-86 (maybe a older one) but i still dont know if i should plan long term with heavi in the team.

Yo, i like that option. Heyvyside need the helpers anyway. Ok, you could sell him too...but the 60-60-88 could win lots of things too. Good age for MSR, ok for Hamburg i think. And having 60-86 riders is always good.

Other option: Helper for Gauß - too late. Gauß needs 75-80s. Till a youth would have those skills Gauß is probably 32 or older - and Gröbner still in good shape. 30 years... can do the job for months even though he's weak in flat.
Flatrider would be useful too... but looks like you have to buy more than 1 rider...so, go for the cordero-sprinter!

Flat! If in doubt go for a flat rider.

Hi, I decided to be clueless about the future of my team. As Stokes has 2 or max 3 month left in the team I think for a while about the future of the team. Quite definitely it will not be a another hillsprinter for the near future. At the moment I enjoy it much more when I am able to attack, and I still have to care for Schwarz for a while. In general the team structure should not chance to much but I need some kind of a leader.

alternatives:
- a classics sprinter: not to dissimilar to the current situation, but I have more possibilities as he could follow attacks
- a real classics rider (target 75-80): there are so many of them, and if I train just 1 the chances are low that he will become a superstar
- keep the team as it is, but concentrate more on riders with strong sprint: unfortunately this riders are expensive and I am not sure I can afford it
- safe for a mountain rider maybe a 72 mountain 57 tt and prepare the team to ride against this stupid Huber teams next spring
- I really do not know

finances:
I have about about 1 Mio and will sell 2-3 riders (Stokes, Vitali, maybe Milgram) in the next 2 to 3 months for about 1 mio each. I would be very lucky if I earn around 1 mio each month, 500k is also possible, and the size of the team should stay the same.

Depends on what you wanna ride in the future. Looking at your team a rider with 70 mountain and good sprint would be good in your team. 70-78 70sprint or 70-74 75sprint. Something like that. If you wanna ride some hilly tours too a 72 with TT wouldnt be bad, Minkowski as helper could reach about 85 still if not it will be hard to fight against the 100Hubers we have right now. But maybe the Huber Hype is already over and next year we have a chance with climbers again.

Just my two cents

Team FL needs some opinions. Not that it would change the decision, but still: I am asking myself what kind of rider I should buy next. Five options:

1) a classic rider: Something around 54-74-70-50-50 with around 68 pavé and 45 reg. To support Unsinn and Benni and to be more competitive on hilly stages.

2) a climber: 73-54-70-50-55 with around 45 to 55 reg. For next year's GTs.

3) a sprinter: something with around 81 sprint and hope for better training than Ollé Ollé did. Would also fit the team's structure (flat, pavé, TT, sprint).

4) a flat rider/helper: 46-72 around 45 reg. Because cheap helpers are always good. Would also fit the team's structure.

5) a 60-80: 50-68-70 with 45 to 55 reg. Because they get never out of fashion.

Or do you have another advice.? Of course, I don't have the money to buy any of these riders, but as money lies on the road...

Nr 5!

3 (oder fällt das schon unter 1?) oder 5

Ob Unsinn als Blocker für Sprinter/Zeitfahrer geeignet ist, ist halt so die Frage. Ich denke, daß er schon zu bergstark ist und dazu neigen könnte, deine eigenen Fahrer zu sieben (glaub, Franco sieht das anders^^). Da paßt ein 6x/83+ einfach besser. Wenn du so einen schon hättest, würd ich definitiv 3 sagen, aber so isses nicht klar zu sagen.


edit: Wobei, da du den ja auch als Helfer für Unsinn dann benutzen kannst, ist der 6x/83+ wäre der 6x/83+ wohl erste Wahl, wenn ich entscheiden müßte.

Desicion is made, rider has been bought (for 95 %): 51-72-75-51-44, 68 Pavé, 55 Reg. Thanks for the help.

What is this?
a classic with a handicap?
a flat rider with some mountain?
a 60-80?

Robyklebt wrote:What is this?
a classic with a handicap?
a flat rider with some mountain?
a 60-80?

A 60-80+ when grown up

what advises you give for my team? my team name is Iasi Cycling

I want to build a team for 2013 Grand Tours:Giro,TdF,Vuelta
What to do next?
Keep Barbu to earn money for next 2-3 mounths and buy a classic?
Earn money buy a old classic number 10 in the team?
Earn money buy young climber/classic rider for next year?
Replace and existing rider with a classic?

Razvan Barbu 86 59 78 59 50 59 reg 29 years
Bogdan Vlasceanu 58 77 60 48 43 39 reg 28 years
Mihai Pristavu 54 80 49 48 47 41 reg 29 years
Marc Lejeune 51 78 50 49 48 35 reg 35 years
Andrei Apostol 50 80 60 55 47 41 reg 29 years
Marius Branza 50 81 72 70 43 40 reg 29 years
Alin Costea 46 54 74 49 52 46 reg 29 years
Cristian Vatavu 46 57 84 46 55 36 reg 29 years
Ovidiu Popescu 44 46 78 48 39 43 reg 27 years

The first problem is:

Barbu isn't a BIG money earner, you would need a second one somehow. Doesn't need to be a big earner either, but another guy who regularly earns money.
That can be almost any kind of rider, a classic with some sprint, a sprinter around 90, even older.

Then the next step. For a GC Team next year you would need the young climber, and his support riders as soon as possible. There the question then is.... D6 or wait til you are higher? D6, you get weaker, but generally cheaper riders.
D1-5 stronger, but often the really strong ones cost a lot more. (But sometimes you get them cheaper too, a bit weaker ones almost always cheaper=
Here don't know what's better, as I told you in the race today.

Then, next problem: To make the chances for Barbu bigger, to optimize his results, he would need a bit better support.

So in short, three goals in a way:

1) Maximize profits now.
2) Build a team for 2013
3) Optimize the team for Barbu now.

What's the most important?

1) I would go and buy myself a sprinter, NOW. Sell an old rider, replace him with the sprinter. Somebody like Bedrich WEltsch 50-61 with 90 sprint. 25 years old. Older is ok too. But should be a guy with some flat, 56 minimum I'd say, better 60, and not too much sprint, otherwise you need a team for him... 88-91, something like that. Right now your team is cheap, salary would still be no problem. The problem is.. .selling one of the 3 fairly useless guys doesn't give you enough money to buy that sprinter, I think. If it it works by selling one, buying somebody like Wedritsch, do it. Your income will go up for sure, right now you really just have escapes and Barbu, with that you'd regularly make some money in sprints. Which would facilitate nr 2, your main goal basically.
2) As I said, not sure what's better for the climber, buy him as long as you're in D6, or once you are in D5+? For supporting classics... unfortunately have to say: BUY HIM IN D6! 56-74-79-50-xx, IMO with not too much reg, I'd go for 40.. but others like them with more. 20 year olds, this perfect one won't be easy to find, but something like 55-73-76 is still very good, and cheaper then in D5+. Ah, for the climber... in D6 max 72 for the 20 year olds. IF you see a 72-56-79 with the TT you want (looking at Barbu you want the max, so 57).. .then buy him, 72-56-79-57-xx reg up to you, I'd go for 45 minimum minimum, rather 50+, buy him in D6 too.
3) Then you would need a stronger classic now. Or next month, so that Barbu isn't always isolated as much. A young climber would help too, but in the flat parts, that are often there, he wouldn't be a great help, a classic actually is more important in most races than a weaker nr 2 climber. But, the climber of course would be a help too, if you plan to race things like the Andes in November.

So... very important to earn money. For that, nr 1... (if you really dislike sprinters, then buy a classic with sprint 68-78?`with 66 sprint for 27 year olds is the best for "new riders" in D6, sold riders might be better. But I think the 88-91 sprinter would bring more money in the end.

Still not sure.. but I probably would try to first get a second rider who can earn money and win races. Next depends on what you see on the market, and how much money you have, the new leader for 2013 or a 20 year old classic for 2013. Problem a bit that it seems difficult to do both for october...

2 preliminary questions:
- Do you plan to race everyday until next year's GTs ? It decides the money you make, but also the probability of reaching D1-5 (and group 1) races and market.
- Do you want to train your own young riders, or do you want to buy a good "adult" leader when you see one, in march/april for example.

Anyway, I agree with RKL, you need a moneymaker, for example a sprinter as he suggested.

Yes i plan to ride every day.
I want to train a young climber for next year and 1-2 classic then depends on money that i will have.
Now i have 1.5 milion.

If i sell my riders i will get:

Razvan Barbu 4.489.435
Bogdan Vlasceanu 1.344.143
Mihai Pristavu 1.237.533
Marc Lejeune 881.506
Andrei Apostol 1.206.526
Marius Branza 1.504.705
Alin Costea 813.343
Cristian Vatavu 794.135
Ovidiu Popescu 695.813

PS:what about Ricardo Freire?