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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Mangahn » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:45 pm

https://www.heiligenlexikon.de/Biograph ... _Kiew.html

Wladimir Kiew ist ein Name.
Nur weil unser System es nicht zulässt den vollständigen Namen zu schreiben ist die Behauptung, der Großfürst hätte keinen korrekten Namen getragen sicher nicht zu halten.

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:52 pm

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Hunsrueck » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:24 pm

Mangahn wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:45 pm
https://www.heiligenlexikon.de/Biograph ... _Kiew.html

Wladimir Kiew ist ein Name.
Nur weil unser System es nicht zulässt den vollständigen Namen zu schreiben ist die Behauptung, der Großfürst hätte keinen korrekten Namen getragen sicher nicht zu halten.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Mangahn » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:31 pm

Wirklich euer Ernst? Staatenlos?

:lol:

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:43 am

Mangahn wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:31 pm
Wirklich euer Ernst? Staatenlos?

:lol:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wladimir_I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_the_Great

Have a look at the russian version too.

And what Hunsrueck said. Case closed.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by olaf » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:51 pm

why remove cerys Mathews nationality? Cerys [cerys] as a girls' name is of Welsh derivation, and the name Cerys means "love". Cerys is a variant form of Carys (Welsh): from "caru". As of 2014, 53.6% of all known bearers of the surname Matthews were residents of the United States (frequency 1:2,136), 19.2% of England (1:917), 8.1% of Australia (1:932), 4.9% of South Africa (1:3,498), 4.8% of Canada (1:2,425), 2.0% of Wales (1:492), 1.1% of New Zealand (1:1,251), 1.0% of the Republic of Ireland (1:1,445) and 1.0% of Jamaica (1:908).

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:19 am

olaf wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:51 pm
why remove cerys Mathews nationality? Cerys [cerys] as a girls' name is of Welsh derivation, and the name Cerys means "love". Cerys is a variant form of Carys (Welsh): from "caru". As of 2014, 53.6% of all known bearers of the surname Matthews were residents of the United States (frequency 1:2,136), 19.2% of England (1:917), 8.1% of Australia (1:932), 4.9% of South Africa (1:3,498), 4.8% of Canada (1:2,425), 2.0% of Wales (1:492), 1.1% of New Zealand (1:1,251), 1.0% of the Republic of Ireland (1:1,445) and 1.0% of Jamaica (1:908).
Hi olaf

Cerys is perfectly fine, but Matthews is the common spelling of the family name, not Mathews (with one "t"). And your argument about the name is also with Matthews, not Mathews.

Anyway, this would not be to big of a problem though as the family name "Mathews" seems to exist too, but additionally: We found Cerys Matthews: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerys_Matthews and hence deemed your rider's name to be a clone of her. And I quote the NC-Guidelines:
§ 2:
(1) It’s not allowed to alter names of real existing celebrities (sports, politics, music, films, etc.) either by adding, deleting or changing letters (f.e.. Lance Armstronger, Alejand Valverde, Andy Shlek, Alberto Kontador).
Then again, I haven't known that singer yet, so how famous can she be. And as Mathews exist too... So in doubt pro player, Cerys gets the nationality back. Next time, find a proper male name for your rider, it's embarassing :P
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by olaf » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:19 pm

Next time, find a proper male name for your rider, it's embarassing :P
we are a gender neutral team lol

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:19 pm

For general information: The list of members of the NC has been updated:
Members

Alphabetical Order, 12 Februar 2019

Carrera Blue Jeans
lesossies
Luques
Radler
Rapid Vitesse
Team FL
Team Hunsrueck

Besides Buhman (Radler) and lesossies, only Luques is able to appoint Members of the Nations Committee.
You find the list (and in the following posts further information) here
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by jardelbv » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 pm

Team Viromet<00:07>: or you cut the nationality for your own amusemsnt?
Team Viromet<00:06>: and ALT SLAB means another weak
Team Viromet<00:06>: FRANZELA means bread baghuette in romanian
Team Viromet<00:04>: TEAM FL?
Team Viromet<00:03>: Änderung der Nationalität von George Franzela:, "Romania" zu "Staatenlos" Begründung: #keinName#

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:45 pm

These names are not real nor realistic. So according to the guidelines, these riders will be stateless. You clicked to accept these guidelines when naming your riders.

If you have a serious source that shows otherwise, feel free to state them here and the riders will get back their nationality.

Anyway, just because the first or family name consist of romanian words is no argument against the NC decision.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by jardelbv » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:44 pm

u mean u took a decision and i have to deal with it... very intelligent behaviour.. i congradulate u for this... have a nice life

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by katiki » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:02 pm

hi all,

i buyed new riders so i give them a nationality.
6 of the 9 riders i have didn't get the nationality, i've searched all the names and there names exist all in their country i don't understand why you put the nationality of.

so please them back they are all correct!

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by katiki » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:20 pm

list of riders without nationality:

Yousef Reza----> Iran
Robert kiefer-----> Germany
Rashid Alireza------->Iran
Tomas vitizslav------> tjechie republic
Marek Vojta--------->Tjechie republic
Dominik Stocesatko----> Tjechie republic

Sites:http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penp ... 3?Pays=IRN
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penp ... 3?Pays=TCH
https://germanculture.com.ua/german_nam ... boys_k.htm
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Hunsrueck » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:53 pm

katiki wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:20 pm
list of riders without nationality:

Yousef Reza----> Iran
Robert kiefer-----> Germany
Rashid Alireza------->Iran
Tomas vitizslav------> tjechie republic
Marek Vojta--------->Tjechie republic
Dominik Stocesatko----> Tjechie republic

Sites:http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penp ... 3?Pays=IRN
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penp ... 3?Pays=TCH
https://germanculture.com.ua/german_nam ... boys_k.htm
Yousef Reza
Robert Kiefer
Rashid Alireza
Marek Vojta
Dominik Stocesatko

These names are all ok, the passport is on the way.

Tomas Vitizslav no name found so he stay stateless.

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:02 pm

Thanks Hunsrueck :)
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by katiki » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:35 pm

Champion de Belgique 2016
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:15 pm

katiki wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:35 pm
http://www.namepedia.org/en/firstname/V ... 4%9Bzslav/

the site for tomas vitizslav
Exactly. Vitizslav is a first name and not a family name.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by katiki » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:27 pm

fl do you know that first names can be family name?

like: mathieu, dylan, phillipe etc...

idk why you doing difficult with that? they are many guys who have a first name as a family name
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Laurens88 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:59 pm

If you have proof that the last name is an actual family name, they will get their pass back easily. The links you have sent so far only prove that these last names exist as first names, which doesn't mean anything. In Belgium you can indeed have names like John Mathieu or John Philippe, but not John Olaf or John Niek. It's the same in other countries.

The Iranian names are a bit ambiguous because I must admit I do not know a lot about Iranian last names, but I lived in Prague for 2 years and can guarantee you that Vojta, Vitizlav (which both are first names) and Stocesatko (not even a first name I think) are for sure not family names in Czech Republic.

Next time, just choose a clear family name instead of a first name that could in theory be a family name as well and you'll have no problems at all. :D

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:46 pm

I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Stateless rider

Post by Casablanca ProTeam » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:27 am

I've got this message from c4f : Änderung der Nationalität von Chadi Karim:, "Maroc" zu "Staatenlos"
Begründung: First and Family Name are in the wrong order. Hence, according to the NC-Guidelines, the rider will be stateless. Thanks for your understanding


So i lost the nationality for a player because First and Family names are in wrong order, really ?
Karim for exemple is used as a first name and family name in arab countries (mostly first name)
Chadi is a first name but it's not impossible to find someone who had it as family ( who knows there is more than 300 millions arabians)

I really don't know what's the problem of making First and Family names in wrong order, it doesn't have any consequences as i think.
What is the NC-Guidelines ?
The rider will be permanently statless ?

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Re: Stateless rider

Post by ProTour-Team » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:38 am

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=112&start=2350

yes, wrong name so no nation. afaik only leso and buh could change a name but dont get your hopes all too high.
ofc if you find somebody with his wrong name he could get a nation but why blame the NC for obviously your mistake?
i can understand that it sucks for you and surely you didnt do that on purpose but that really changes nothing.

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Re: Stateless rider

Post by Casablanca ProTeam » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:56 am

Yes it really sucks because there any justification for it, plus i can prove that Chadi is used as a family name a simple search in the web and you'll find a thousands

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