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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:44 am

Team Saller wrote:Will eigentlich einfach nur meine Nation zurück... :roll:
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:30 am

Hi!
Lorenzo vonMatterhorn lost his passport. Maybe someone can help him.
http://www.lorenzovonmatterhorn.com/

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:28 pm

CircleCycle wrote:Hi!
Lorenzo vonMatterhorn lost his passport. Maybe someone can help him.
http://www.lorenzovonmatterhorn.com/

Thx, CC
You know that this is a fake (like this too: btw. the same as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Hosp ... mer_pupils) and relates to the TV series "how I met your mother"? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo%20 ... edirect=no
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:56 pm

I know, but i don't get your point?!

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:56 pm

CircleCycle wrote:I know, but i don't get your point?!
My point is that this is not a real nor realistic name. And that's why he is stateless.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:08 pm

Not realistic?!
it is a fake character in a tv series. There wasn't a problem with e.g. Erwin Schoitl, Edmund Sackbauer and so on, which are all characters in a tv series (and by the way much better series than this american stuff :-) ). Have to admit though, that these guys are not fake characters.
And in the source i cited it says "...was born somewhere in Switzerland..."
So even though he is fake, he is "Swiss fake".

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:16 pm

CircleCycle wrote:Not realistic?!
it is a fake character in a tv series. There wasn't a problem with e.g. Erwin Schoitl, Edmund Sackbauer and so on, which are all characters in a tv series (and by the way much better series than this american stuff :-) ). Have to admit though, that these guys are not fake characters.
And in the source i cited it says "...was born somewhere in Switzerland..."
So even though he is fake, he is "Swiss fake".
Yes, not realistic. First, this name doesnt exist in reality. Second, the Matterhorn is a very specific thing with a specific name that does not derivate from a person (Although "Matter" would be no problem, but horn definitily is somthing that is specific for a certain landscape). It's a mountain. In Switzerland. Very popular. It's absolutely not realistic at all, that somebody is called "von Matterhorn".

From wiki:
Der deutsche Name Matterhorn leitet sich vermutlich von der „Matte“ ab, also der grasbewachsenen Talweitung unterhalb der Gornerschlucht, die heute fast komplett vom Dorf Zermatt („zur Matt“) bedeckt ist.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:51 pm

Ok.... thanks for telling me what the Matterhorn is, but I'm not that ignorant, so i already heard about it ;)
Anyway... Won't discuss this any longer. IMO it should be okay, to give him Swiss Nationality, as i could at least cite something.... on the other hand I unterstand your point now (partly) and after some research I found noone in the swiss telephonebook with the name "Matterhorn". Clever as I am, I started to search the swedisch one for my fictional guys (Hamilton, Stalhandske) and would you believe it? I found them! Carl Hamilton indeed exists!

Back to vonMatterhorn... If he stays stateless, its okay for me, but of course I would be happy if he gets it back.

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by flockmastoR » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:24 pm

My former rider "Lance Hardwood" was ok.
This was also not real nor realistic and from the same series
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:03 pm

flockmastoR wrote:My former rider "Lance Hardwood" was ok.
This was also not real nor realistic and from the same series
people don't seem to get it. It's not because it's a fictional character. It's because the name is against the rules: doesn't exist and even not realistic. I think i explained it well enough.

Hardwood? Which nationality? US ? Sounds realituc to me. Besides the fact that such comparisons always lack of comparability.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:26 pm

The mistake was that I made a "fake swiss" with a fake swiss name. Obviously the fact "Swiss" was the problem. Most likely there wouldn't have been objections to a guy called "Johann vonReichenstein" with Austrian flag.

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:12 pm

The name was the problem. Not the citizenship.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by CircleCycle » Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:02 am

So a "Johann vonReichenstein" would be ok?

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by flockmastoR » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:12 am

CircleCycle wrote:So a "Johann vonReichenstein" would be ok?
Better try the name in germany - in austria its not allowed to have an aristocratic "von" in your name
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by stemmi » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:04 pm

oh fl, jetzt habe ich mir doch mal wirklich mühe gegeben:)
Änderung der Nationalität von Mokin Malampa:, "Vanuatu" zu "Staatenlos"
also:
Honorable Mr Mokin Stevens Iatika
http://www.vanuafoot.vu/News/ViewArticl ... cfb7e-352e... Im Cache
der vorname sollte doch passen
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heißt für mich, wenn es einen günter berlin oder knud hamburg gibt, sollte doch auch ein mokin malampa durchgehen ;)

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:48 am

Den Malampa gibts aber nocht und es ist auch nicht üblich in Vanuatu Leute nach Provinzen zu benennen. Erfüllt also klar die regeln nicht, da weder real existierend noch realistisch.

Edith fügt noch hinzu: Lasst doch bitte diese sinnlosen Namen-Ländervergleiche.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by NoPikouze » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:14 am

Hey,

I got 2 riders who are in trouble.

1- Joop Vuurwater, holland. His name is dutch. Even if Vuurwater probably doesn't exist as a name, it's still a dutch word, and sounds realistic enough as a name to be accepted, imo. Would be nice to have the flag back.

2- Smeagol Trahald, norway. Trahald seems to be an old norse word... But ok, it's a bit hard to defend, I must admit. Although he has a real linkedin profile, so if that's what you need to accept it, here you go : https://www.linkedin.com/pub/sm%C3%A9ag ... /8/5a2/321
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:20 am

NoPikouze wrote:Hey,

I got 2 riders who are in trouble.

1- Joop Vuurwater, holland. His name is dutch. Even if Vuurwater probably doesn't exist as a name, it's still a dutch word, and sounds realistic enough as a name to be accepted, imo. Would be nice to have the flag back.

2- Smeagol Trahald, norway. Trahald seems to be an old norse word... But ok, it's a bit hard to defend, I must admit. Although he has a real linkedin profile, so if that's what you need to accept it, here you go : https://www.linkedin.com/pub/sm%C3%A9ag ... /8/5a2/321
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by stemmi » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:20 pm

team fl wrote:Den Malampa gibts aber nocht und es ist auch nicht üblich in Vanuatu Leute nach Provinzen zu benennen. Erfüllt also klar die regeln nicht, da weder real existierend noch realistisch.

Edith fügt noch hinzu: Lasst doch bitte diese sinnlosen Namen-Ländervergleiche.
ihr macht euch aber wirklich mühe. klar gibt es diesen namen noch nicht (vermutlich, man kann ja nicht jeden kennen). aber malampa und mokin ist und klingt realistisch nach vanatu als entspricht es doch den regeln.
1. OK
Dies bedeutet, dass der Fahrername real existiert oder zumindest so realistisch klingt, dass man ihn akzeptieren kann und eine passende Nation hat. Wenn 3 Komiteemitglieder ihr OK geben, ist der Fahrername genehmigt und erscheint nicht mehr in der Liste der „aktuellen Namensanträge“.

es ist wohl nirgendwo "üblich" jemand nach einer provinz, stadt, staat zu nennen, doch kommt es überall vor.
hab aber auch keine problem damit wenn der junge staatenlos bleibt, ist nur ein spiel hier ;)

p.s. ihr seit wirklich top wenn ihr wisst was in vanatu üblich ist und was nicht

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:25 pm

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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:44 pm

stemmi wrote:
team fl wrote:Den Malampa gibts aber nocht und es ist auch nicht üblich in Vanuatu Leute nach Provinzen zu benennen. Erfüllt also klar die regeln nicht, da weder real existierend noch realistisch.

Edith fügt noch hinzu: Lasst doch bitte diese sinnlosen Namen-Ländervergleiche.
ihr macht euch aber wirklich mühe. klar gibt es diesen namen noch nicht (vermutlich, man kann ja nicht jeden kennen). aber malampa und mokin ist und klingt realistisch nach vanatu als entspricht es doch den regeln.
1. OK
Dies bedeutet, dass der Fahrername real existiert oder zumindest so realistisch klingt, dass man ihn akzeptieren kann und eine passende Nation hat. Wenn 3 Komiteemitglieder ihr OK geben, ist der Fahrername genehmigt und erscheint nicht mehr in der Liste der „aktuellen Namensanträge“.

es ist wohl nirgendwo "üblich" jemand nach einer provinz, stadt, staat zu nennen, doch kommt es überall vor.
hab aber auch keine problem damit wenn der junge staatenlos bleibt, ist nur ein spiel hier ;)

p.s. ihr seit wirklich top wenn ihr wisst was in vanatu üblich ist und was nicht
Wenn du belegen kannst, dass es in Vanuatu üblich bzw. realistisch ist, tu das und wir ändern das gerne. Nur weil es in anderen Ländern vorkommt, lässt das nicht auf ein andere bestimmtes Land schliessen. Ausserdem muss man auch immer den Hintergrund des Namens kennen. Huhn-Ei-Prinzip. Liechtenstein z.B. wurde nach dem Namen der Fürstenfamilie benannt, nicht umgekehrt. Ein gute Beispiel wäre hier auch Lorenzo von Matterhorn, weiter oben im Thread nachzulesen.

Und natürlich recherchieren wir, wenn eine so abenteurliche Begründung für einen Namen benutzt wird. Dafür gibt es das Internet. Das hat mit top sein nichts zu tun. Obwohl wir das natürlich sind. Besonders, wenn generell Namen von Provinzen, Vulkanen, Städten etc. hergenommen werden mit dem Argument "klingt doch realistisch". Wie jedes chinesische Schimpfwort für uns wahrscheinlich wie ein Name tönt, ganz realistisch. Hat der Herr Klebt auch schon mal ausgeführt.

Wenn du dir übrigens wirklich Mühe geben würdest, dann würdest du real existierende Namen benutzen. Auch das kann man im Internet leicht recherchieren.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:35 am

team fl wrote:Wenn du dir übrigens wirklich Mühe geben würdest, dann würdest du real existierende Namen benutzen. Auch das kann man im Internet leicht recherchieren.
Disagree! You can make an effort and "create" realistic sounding names.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:06 am

Robyklebt wrote:
team fl wrote:Wenn du dir übrigens wirklich Mühe geben würdest, dann würdest du real existierende Namen benutzen. Auch das kann man im Internet leicht recherchieren.
Disagree! You can make an effort and "create" realistic sounding names.
Well, that would be an effort indeed. But I thought he meant that he made an effort to make it easier for us to pass the name. And then, the easiest way is to use real real names. Or lets say a real existing family name at least. Maybe the word "effort" gives the wrong impression :)
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:45 am

But the point isn't really to make it easier for you!
The point is to give names you like that let your rider keep his nationality.
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Re: Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

Post by team fl » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:52 am

Robyklebt wrote:But the point isn't really to make it easier for you!
The point is to give names you like that let your rider keep his nationality.
Ok, you didn't get it, I think. He wrote that he made an effort to make it easier for us (That's what I understood). I wrote that if that would be the case, he would have just taken a real existing name (At least that's what I've meant). No general statement about giving a rider a name intended.

And the second point is of course perfectly right.
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