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Post by RS Ostfriesland » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:15 pm

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Post by Team GAK » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:59 pm

Thank you very much, Ostfriesland !!!

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Post by Cerro Torre RT » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:45 pm

Just as I see it: Why has Ricard Virenque not a nation. Ricard is an existing first name (a spanish one, think of Ricard Rubio Vives), and Virenque a family name. Even though it sounds like a clone, you can't call it to be one. A well possible name combination. Btw, Jean Voigt the same.

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Post by Widar » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:36 am

Cerro Torre RT wrote:Just as I see it: Why has Ricard Virenque not a nation. Ricard is an existing first name (a spanish one, think of Ricard Rubio Vives), and Virenque a family name. Even though it sounds like a clone, you can't call it to be one. A well possible name combination. Btw, Jean Voigt the same.
Der Besitzer hat die Möglichkeit bekommen eine neue Nationalität auszusuchen.
The owner has the option of getting a new nationality choose.
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Post by Team Australia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:04 pm

My rider Chao Santana lost his nation (Argentina). Not because someone in the Komitee thinks it's the wrong nation for him, if not because Chao Santana was decided as "not a real name".

first name: http://www.vorname.de/chao/
surname: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Santana (for example, first that i found, but i think it's because of his first name)

It would be nice if he could get his (or any other nationality again)

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Post by teeam eesti » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:31 pm

Hallo!

Eine Frage an das Nationenkomitee:
Mein Fahrer Raigo Mandri hat die estnische Nationalität verloren, weil laut AUXILIUM TORINO dies kein Name sei.
Muss ich das verstehen :?: :?: :?:

Raigo Toompuu ist ein estnischer Kugelstoßer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raigo_Toompuu) und
Rene Mandri ein estnischer Rad-Profi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rene_Mandri).

Wo ist da das Problem?

Wenn ich das richtig sehe, kann er seine Nationalität zurück bekommen.
Ich bitte darum.

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Post by Wookie » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:28 pm

teeam eesti wrote:Hallo!

Eine Frage an das Nationenkomitee:
Mein Fahrer Raigo Mandri hat die estnische Nationalität verloren, weil laut AUXILIUM TORINO dies kein Name sei.
Muss ich das verstehen :?: :?: :?:

Raigo Toompuu ist ein estnischer Kugelstoßer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raigo_Toompuu) und
Rene Mandri ein estnischer Rad-Profi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rene_Mandri).

Wo ist da das Problem?

Wenn ich das richtig sehe, kann er seine Nationalität zurück bekommen.
Ich bitte darum.
Pass ist auf dem Weg.

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Post by Les Bergzieges » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:11 pm

teeam eesti wrote: Mein Fahrer Raigo Mandri hat die estnische Nationalität verloren, weil laut AUXILIUM TORINO dies kein Name sei.
Muss ich das verstehen :?: :?: :?:

Das ist halt auch so ne Sache.
Die Formulierung von wegen "Das ist kein Name. Überleg dir nächstes mal gefälligst nen richtigen, du Penner!" (sinngem. ;) ) trägt auch nicht unbedingt zur Deeskalation bei, wenn man sich eh schon ärgert, dass der Fahrer den Pass verloren hat. Könnte man sich eventuell bei großer langeweile auch mal was weniger unfreundliches überlegen.

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Post by Rockstar Inc » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:55 pm

zwei optionen...es gibt vorgegebene texte und es gibt n feld mit individueller Eingabemöglichkeit...bei ner Liste von 200 fahrern würde ich an seiner stelle auch net für jeden einen einzelnen Text schreiben, sondern die vorgegebenen nutzen indem ich nur einen button klicke...auf den Text der dann kommt hat das NK keinen Einfluss, der ist von buh hinterlegt
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Post by Les Bergzieges » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:05 pm

Dann wäre die von mir präferierte Option einen weniger unfreundlichen Text zu hinterlegen.

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Post by Rockstar Inc » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:15 pm

Les Bergzieges wrote:Dann wäre die von mir präferierte Option einen weniger unfreundlichen Text zu hinterlegen.
und das geschieht in 1 jahr? :lol:
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Post by Robyklebt » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Incorrect name! Your rider will loose his nationality. Choose next time a best name.
Is not that impolite, don't see the problem with it. The politeness problem. The language problem of course is there:
lose, not loooooose
The last sentence then is a nice mess. "Next time choose a better name" if anything... best name, brr. And even better name... a "name that fits the changing and undefined rules" Ok, here a please would fit in too, but without it we'll survive it too.
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Post by Les Bergzieges » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:39 pm

Team Franconia wrote:
Les Bergzieges wrote:Dann wäre die von mir präferierte Option einen weniger unfreundlichen Text zu hinterlegen.
und das geschieht in 1 jahr? :lol:
Joa. besser als nie. ;) Ist ja auch nichts Dramatisches. Wie gesagt, bei großer Langeweile...

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Post by Les Bergzieges » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:50 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Incorrect name! Your rider will loose his nationality. Choose next time a best name.
Is not that impolite, don't see the problem with it. The politeness problem. The language problem of course is there:
lose, not loooooose
The last sentence then is a nice mess. "Next time choose a better name" if anything... best name, brr. And even better name... a "name that fits the changing and undefined rules" Ok, here a please would fit in too, but without it we'll survive it too.

Yes, the language errors in the english version should be fixed, too. Still I think it might make a better impression to be a bit more polite. Maybe something like:

"This name does not qualify for the standards of an rsf-rider. Please think of a more realistic name. If you feel you picked a realistic name already, the nations comitee is happy to help you out in the forum."

You're right, the text right now isn't that terrible, but it's not very nice either. And sometimes the Ton makes the Musik. When a new manager feels his rider lost the name unjustified, a text saying "This is not a name. Try to do better." might not make him much happier.

I admit, as things look in this thread, everyone seems to have calmed down anyways, so this is not a big problem probably.

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Post by Blues Racing » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:28 pm

> Message from RC Matrosen OK(National Comitee), 09.09.2012
> �nderung der Nationalit�t von Logan LoaderMooney:, "USA" zu "Staatenlos"
> Begr�ndung: Incorrect name! Your rider will loose his nationality. Choose next time a best name.


Sources:


http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/ri ... erid=12684 (Logan Loader)
http://teamexergy.com/homepage/the-team/riders/ (Logan Loader)

http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=198542 (Logan Loader-Mooney)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/201 ... mpns_fee=0 (Logan Loader-Mooney, Bib #106)


Logan as a first name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan (scroll down to section "As a given name")

Loader as a family name:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loader

Mooney as a family name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooney



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Post by Wookie » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:25 am

Blues Racing wrote:> Message from RC Matrosen OK(National Comitee), 09.09.2012
> �nderung der Nationalit�t von Logan LoaderMooney:, "USA" zu "Staatenlos"
> Begr�ndung: Incorrect name! Your rider will loose his nationality. Choose next time a best name.


Sources:


http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/ri ... erid=12684 (Logan Loader)
http://teamexergy.com/homepage/the-team/riders/ (Logan Loader)

http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=198542 (Logan Loader-Mooney)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/201 ... mpns_fee=0 (Logan Loader-Mooney, Bib #106)


Logan as a first name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan (scroll down to section "As a given name")

Loader as a family name:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loader

Mooney as a family name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooney



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Post by Blues Racing » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:41 pm

Thank you.
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Post by Widar » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:16 pm

Es gibt eine Veränderung im Nationenkomitee. Hansa-Team ist zurückgetreten und ich bin der neue Vorsitzende.

There is a change in the Nations Committee. Hansa team has resigned and I am the new chairman. (google translator)
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Post by Robyklebt » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:41 pm

YEAH! Finally! Wanli is gone! It's sad that he was allowed to retire, instead of being fired. Actually being fired with a fairness case on his ass would have been the right way to deal with him, but the important thing is. WANLI IS GONE.

JA! Endlich! Wanli ist weg. Es ist traurig dass er zurücktreten konnte, anstatt gefeuert zu werden. Feuern und ein Fairnessverfahren am Arsch wäre der richtige Weg gewesen, aber das wichtige ist. WANLI IST WEG!

Ok, question to the new boss: Do we get rules/guidelines now? On how we are allowed to name our riders? We didn't have any under Wanli, but would be nice to know what is ok and what not.

Ok, Frage an den neuen Chef: Gibt's jetzt Regeln? Wie dürfen wir unsere Fahrer taufen? Hatten wir unter Wanli ja nicht, wäre schön wenn wir wüssten was geht und was nicht.
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Post by Widar » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:20 am

Robyklebt wrote:Ok, question to the new boss: Do we get rules/guidelines now? On how we are allowed to name our riders? We didn't have any under Wanli, but would be nice to know what is ok and what not.

Ok, Frage an den neuen Chef: Gibt's jetzt Regeln? Wie dürfen wir unsere Fahrer taufen? Hatten wir unter Wanli ja nicht, wäre schön wenn wir wüssten was geht und was nicht.
Regeln gibt es ja schon, die finde ich soweit auch akzeptabel. Wir werden die bei Bedarf aber intern noch mal diskutieren. Es soll mehr Transparenz geben, so mein Bestreben. Wenn noch jemand mitmachen möchte, möge er sich bitte per PN an mich wenden. Aber bitte nur, wenn man auch wirklich regelmäßig Zeit und Lust hat aktiv mitzuwirken. Gib, gebt mir bitte noch etwas Zeit.

There are already rules that I find far too acceptable. We will discuss if needed but internally again. There should be more transparency, so my aim. If anyone else wants to join, he should contact me via PM. But only if you have really regular time and desire to actively participate. Give, give me some more time. (google translator)
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Post by Robyklebt » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:11 am

Regeln gibt's theoretisch. Die wurden nach wiederholter Nachfrage hier dann mal gepostet, war aber offensichtlich dass nicht nach diesen Regeln gearbeitet wurde. Und damit waren es keine Regeln mehr mit denen wir, die Namensgeber, was anfangen können. Wir können nur vermuten wie's gerade läuft, hier und im Spiel verfolgen was gerade geknöpft wird. Der Inhalt der Regeln ist mir auch relativ egal, wichtig wäre einfach dass wir Regeln haben auf die wir uns verlassen können. Und muss nicht heute oder morgen sein, aber irgendwann vor 2013 wäre schön.
Regeln dann am besten hier und im ersten Post posten! Oder mmh, evtl gleich einen neuen Thread machen.... schöner Neuanfang!

Theoretically there are rules, yes. They were posted after repeated requests here, but it was clear that the committee didn't work according to these rules. And then it's not rules anymore, at least not rules that are helpful to us, the guys who give the names. We don't know what is allowed and what not. We can only guess from this thread and seeing what was done lately to see how the wind is blowing. I don't really care that much what is in the rules finally, but that there are rules on which we can rely. Doesn't have to be today or tomorrow, but sometimes before 2013 would be nice.
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Post by Lizard » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:23 pm

Nachricht von Team Hunsrueck(National Comitee), 19.10.2012
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Philémon BangBang:, "Cameroun" zu "Staatenlos"
Begr�ndung: Kein Name! Fahrer wird deshalb Staatenlos. Beim nächsten mal bitte glaubwürdige Namen wählen.

You're kidding me. Philémon is a first name, often used in french-speaking countries like... hmmm... Cameroon?!?!?!?!
And Bang-Bang or Bang are also names widely used, just go google it, first page, you find ENOUGH guys with that name. Please give back the nation and start caring for the "Berg Fahrer" guys instead of deleting names for riders that have a normal name. Ridiculous.
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Post by Hunsrueck » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:41 pm

Lizard wrote:Nachricht von Team Hunsrueck(National Comitee), 19.10.2012
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Philémon BangBang:, "Cameroun" zu "Staatenlos"
Begr�ndung: Kein Name! Fahrer wird deshalb Staatenlos. Beim nächsten mal bitte glaubwürdige Namen wählen.

You're kidding me. Philémon is a first name, often used in french-speaking countries like... hmmm... Cameroon?!?!?!?!
And Bang-Bang or Bang are also names widely used, just go google it, first page, you find ENOUGH guys with that name. Please give back the nation and start caring for the "Berg Fahrer" guys instead of deleting names for riders that have a normal name. Ridiculous.
hi dear,
Philemon is not the problem, unfortunately I can not find a bang or a bang bang.

You have any Sources?

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Post by Lizard » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:50 am

Sure, no prob. Here is a link showing people that have this last name.
http://lastnames.myheritage.de/last-name/Bangbang

Explicatly, France is mentioned here, and I assume since French is a common language in Cameroon, colony etc, it's okay to use it for a cameroon guy to. Since also names like Bang, Bong or something like that is also common in Cameroon, e.g. the football national team, I dont think it should be a problem? Thanks for the fast answer btw.
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