Another good one! All youngsters again with double trainings besides going risk there. Kamnitz reaching 71 mountain is good, one more to go!2025-08-20 Felix Kamnitz Climbing +1
2025-08-20 Lennard Matthes Flat +1
2025-08-20 Elias Nguyen Sprint +1
2025-08-20 Elias Nguyen Flat +1
2025-08-20 Juan Miranda Flat +1
2025-08-20 Juan Miranda Climbing +1
2025-08-20 Iskandar Trabelsi Downhill +1
2025-08-20 Iskandar Trabelsi Flat +1
2025-08-20 Matteo Lisa Sprint +1
2025-08-20 Matteo Lisa Flat +1
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Re: Training
Re: Training
Finally, I am happy with the training. Jonas is taking a double, and Allan is still perfect. Marek is nice as well, and Lauri is still the flat monster.2025-08-20 Shankar Agharkar Sprint -1
2025-08-20 Shankar Agharkar TimeTrial -1
2025-08-20 Shankar Agharkar Downhill -1
2025-08-20 Lauri Vaska TimeTrial -1
2025-08-20 Lauri Vaska Downhill -1
2025-08-20 Sophus Lie Downhill -1
2025-08-20 Björn Engquist Downhill -1
2025-08-20 Marek Kac TimeTrial -1
2025-08-20 Marek Kac Climbing +1
2025-08-20 Jonas Mockus Flat +1
2025-08-20 Jonas Mockus Climbing +1
2025-08-20 Allan Wilson TimeTrial +1
2025-08-20 Allan Wilson Climbing +1
Re: Training
Very short...2025-08-27 Ceriel Bucquoy TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Ceriel Bucquoy Downhill -1
2025-08-27 Ceriel Bucquoy Flat -1
2025-08-27 Ceriel Bucquoy Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Tapihana Uru Sprint -1
2025-08-27 Tapihana Uru Flat -1
2025-08-27 Tapihana Uru Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Pahikore Taiaroa Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Camille Roy Flat -1
2025-08-27 Federico Vigni Flat +1
2025-08-27 Azimbek Iskanderov Climbing +1
Bucquoy keeps sprint, good man
Uru -3 at 36
Taiaroa mountain, not his strength anyway, but with this Vuelta shouldn't be a problem
Roy shows why he wasn't selected to the Vuelta, only 81 flat now, from 66-85 to 65-81 at 35
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Vigni flat, now 83, missed 2 this month, so ok but not great.
Iskanderov the safe mountain, 77-59 now, missed the 65%, but 4-3 at 21 is ok
Very short training, means oldies good, the others less, we're not too happy about this one really.
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Re: Training
Seems like just not commenting at all helped a bit.2025-08-27 Taras Voloshyn Sprint -1
2025-08-27 Taras Voloshyn TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Taras Voloshyn Downhill -1
2025-08-27 Taras Voloshyn Flat -1
2025-08-27 Taras Voloshyn Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Olayuk Arlooktoo Sprint -1
2025-08-27 Olayuk Arlooktoo Flat -1
2025-08-27 Olayuk Arlooktoo Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Abdukodir Kholdorkhonov TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Pavel Baranok Downhill -1
2025-08-27 Oleksandr Piskun Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Elkhan Baltabekov Downhill -1
2025-08-27 Elkhan Baltabekov Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Zemenfes Mengisteab Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Zakhar Karatay Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Ondrej Nebyla Flat +1
2025-08-27 Harrison Nembhard Flat +1
2025-08-27 Kensi Taiwia Flat +1
2025-08-27 Artem Palamarchuk Sprint +1
2025-08-27 Artem Palamarchuk Flat +1
First good training in a while to at least make it an average month. Downtraining horrible, but doesn't matter too much.
Arlooktoo will definitely get sold soon after losing all of his important skills this time. Kholdorkhonov losing TT just before the Vuelta TTT also not good. Baltabekov down to 74 downhill not great, but could be worse.
Uptraining finally good. Piskun and Baltabekov both train, which is quite important and with good timing before it gets serious at the Vuelta.
Everyone else pretty much as expected and no one missing any 80+% trainings. Overall quite happy with this one
Re: Training
The good2025-08-27 Michael Redrocks Flat +1
2025-08-27 Magnus Jensen Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Loïc Callard Flat +1
2025-08-27 Dave Barlington Flat +1
2025-08-27 Domingo Cruz Flat +1
2025-08-27 Domingo Cruz Climbing +1
-No downtraining! (Goris 25% chance on all except flat, Kozo/Oper keep everything too)
-Jensen 73-76-75 with 61SP
-Callard highest flattie in the teams history
-Redrocks training, but the wrong skill!
-Cruz double (expected)
-Dave 3/3 since joining the team
The bad
-Henkey 0/4 in August
-Kerken not hitting 80FL yet, ok, 2/4 on ~30%, can't really complain
The ugly
Sartore 93% MO missed, on top of his 0/4 FL trainings this month at 22 (45%)...
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Re: Training
Another meh training. No rider trained under 85%2025-08-27 Nic Bizjak Downhill -1
2025-08-27 Lucas Leclercq TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Willi Mitlehner Flat +1
2025-08-27 Johann Koch Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Léopold Meunier Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Bernhardt Hofer Flat +1
2025-08-27 Bernhardt Hofer Climbing +1
Mitlehner at least trained his second flat of 4 with around 90-% possibility.
Léopold missed his first TT. 4/4 mountain and 3/4 TT in his first month.
Koch only 1/3 flat trainings. Stuck at 78 flat now, at least he took every >95% mountain training.
We are still waiting for some luck in training since our comeback in January.
Re: Training
Better training again, Jonas and Allan with a double, and Lauri is absent from the list. He wants to retire with 91 flat at the age of 39.2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar Sprint -1
2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar Flat -1
2025-08-27 Björn Engquist Flat -1
2025-08-27 Björn Engquist Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Humberto Maturana Flat +1
2025-08-27 Jonas Mockus Flat +1
2025-08-27 Jonas Mockus Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Allan Wilson TimeTrial +1
2025-08-27 Allan Wilson Climbing +1
Over the whole month, Allan was perfect, Jonas could make up some of the bad training with 21. The classics are generally good at mountain and a bit below expectations in flat. Thorvald is now below expectations in everything. Flat team is around expectations, and for Myron, there are no excuses; his overall training is really bad now.
Re: Training
73-80 is below expectation? Funny youRadunion wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:24 pmBetter training again, Jonas and Allan with a double, and Lauri is absent from the list. He wants to retire with 91 flat at the age of 39.2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar Sprint -1
2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar TimeTrial -1
2025-08-27 Shankar Agharkar Flat -1
2025-08-27 Björn Engquist Flat -1
2025-08-27 Björn Engquist Climbing -1
2025-08-27 Humberto Maturana Flat +1
2025-08-27 Jonas Mockus Flat +1
2025-08-27 Jonas Mockus Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Allan Wilson TimeTrial +1
2025-08-27 Allan Wilson Climbing +1
Over the whole month, Allan was perfect, Jonas could make up some of the bad training with 21. The classics are generally good at mountain and a bit below expectations in flat. Thorvald is now below expectations in everything. Flat team is around expectations, and for Myron, there are no excuses; his overall training is really bad now.
2024-01-30 Big Donkey Elaska 1 Good move, good reading of the race, just the sprint didn't work out. High quality racing.
Re: Training
I heard that almost 50% of the riders will be below the (mathematical) expectations

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Re: Training
Some call this a bug
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Re: Training
I am around 50% positive it's a featureflockmastoR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:44 amSome call this a bug

I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: Training
Team FL training was unspectacular. All high percentages, only Zenobio being lazy. No downtraining, so I guess I am the anti Pokemonogatari2025-08-27 Karl Knöppel Downhill +1
2025-08-27 Manfred Matt Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Ricardo Rocha Flat +1
2025-08-27 Ricardo Rocha Climbing +1

I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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Re: Training
ALmost thze same training like last week, besides Nguyen, who just trained sprint. But I'm very happy with the youngsters - Kamnitz 72-77 now, all 21yrs olds trianed double the whole month (besides the last Nguyen training).2025-08-27 Felix Kamnitz Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Lennard Matthes Flat +1
2025-08-27 Elias Nguyen Sprint +1
2025-08-27 Juan Miranda Flat +1
2025-08-27 Juan Miranda Climbing +1
2025-08-27 Iskandar Trabelsi Downhill +1
2025-08-27 Iskandar Trabelsi Flat +1
2025-08-27 Matteo Lisa Sprint +1
2025-08-27 Matteo Lisa Flat +1
Re: Training
I m based on what i see in game. Quick filter for classics with mini 68mont and 75 flat. There is 295 results, and 73 got 73mont+, so only 25%team fl wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:58 amI am around 50% positive it's a feature![]()
2024-01-30 Big Donkey Elaska 1 Good move, good reading of the race, just the sprint didn't work out. High quality racing.
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Re: Training
You have to consider starting values and also how many of them were not bought at 21
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If I train a 73 climber on flat, he doesn't reach 88 mnt either. If you train a 56-74 to become a 66-88 it is not a failed training. But with your "method" he would be in the bad 50%

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My Google Sheet file for training tend to call at least downtrainining as buggyflockmastoR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:44 amSome call this a bug
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Would be really interesting to see thisPokemon Club wrote: ↑Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:07 amMy Google Sheet file for training tend to call at least downtrainining as buggy
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Re: Training
The good2025-09-05 Michael Goris Sprint -1
2025-09-05 Michael Goris Climbing -1
2025-09-05 Michael Redrocks Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Thibault Kerken Flat +1
2025-09-05 Giacomo Sartore Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Dave Barlington Flat +1
2025-09-05 Domingo Cruz Climbing +1
-Redrocks now an 86-63 after he takes the 5%. Perfect for his p2 ambitions in Vuelta!
-Kerken up to 68-80 after he takes a 17%, his 4th flat training of the last 6, all on <35%. A late bloomer!
-Barlington is yet to miss a training since joining the team. Now 80 flat and he basically rides for free!
The bad
-Can't really complain because of the 5% and 17% here... Obviously hope for Jensen, Callard, Henkey trainings, but we'll take this any day!
The ugly
-While Sartore and Cruz hit their 100% and 98% mountain training, Cruz misses flat, which brings our all time record for 22yo classics to train their secondary skill at ~45% to 1/13...
Re: Training
Bucquoy all2025-09-05 Ceriel Bucquoy Sprint -1
2025-09-05 Ceriel Bucquoy TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Ceriel Bucquoy Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Ceriel Bucquoy Flat -1
2025-09-05 Ceriel Bucquoy Climbing -1
2025-09-05 Tapihana Uru Sprint -1
2025-09-05 Tapihana Uru Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Pahikore Taiaroa TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Pahikore Taiaroa Climbing -1
2025-09-05 Camille Roy TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Émile Lachance TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Émile Lachance Flat -1
2025-09-05 Lukas Winzenried TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Azimbek Iskanderov Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Erling Ousland Flat +1
2025-09-05 Erling Ousland Climbing +1
My Kiwis with a double each. Nothing tragic, Taiaroa should be ok even with 1 mountain less
Roy -1 TT who cares...
Lachance is not expected to ride anymore, so irrelevant
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Starts with - TT for Winzenried Will cover that. After the next minus or next month
Iskanderov mountain Ousland double.
Plus not really exciting... Twice 100 and once 96% taken.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Re: Training
High contrast to the last training as there is much going on. Unfortuantely some downtrainings as well, fortunately nothing really important, although it hurts to see Alex getting old. But it seems Quincy wants to fill his footsteps. Don't think he can though.2025-09-05 Alex Alailefaleula Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Alex Alailefaleula Flat -1
2025-09-05 Quincy Qinnuayuak Sprint +1
2025-09-05 Calcedonio Cantagalli Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Lautaro Lucifero TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Santiago Souberbielle Flat +1
2025-09-05 Rik Ribbens Flat +1
2025-09-05 Manfred Matt Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Ricardo Rocha Flat +1
2025-09-05 Urs Unternährer Flat +1
2025-09-05 Urs Unternährer Climbing +1
Rik heared me saying he should get to at least 85 flat until the spring 2025, Santiago wants to be there too as an old man according to his late 88 flat. Manfred, Ricardo and Urs doing what's expected from them, good boys.
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: Training
It is hard to admit, but this time I am happy with the training. Double training for the 21, 22, and 23-year-old riders. Myron took the criticism of his training to heart and is finally at 80 sprint. Lauri is still a miracle, 35 now. Shankar is allowed to downtrain everything, preparing his well-earned retirement after 20 months at the team.2025-09-05 Shankar Agharkar Sprint -1
2025-09-05 Shankar Agharkar TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Shankar Agharkar Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Shankar Agharkar Flat -1
2025-09-05 Shankar Agharkar Climbing -1
2025-09-05 Björn Engquist TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Björn Engquist Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Myron Scholes Sprint +1
2025-09-05 Jonas Mockus Flat +1
2025-09-05 Jonas Mockus Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Allan Wilson TimeTrial +1
2025-09-05 Allan Wilson Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Hsien Wu Flat +1
2025-09-05 Hsien Wu Climbing +1
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Back to the past!team fl wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 10:08 amHigh contrast to the last training as there is much going on. Unfortuantely some downtrainings as well, fortunately nothing really important, although it hurts to see Alex getting old. But it seems Quincy wants to fill his footsteps. Don't think he can though.2025-09-05 Alex Alailefaleula Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Alex Alailefaleula Flat -1
2025-09-05 Quincy Qinnuayuak Sprint +1
2025-09-05 Calcedonio Cantagalli Downhill -1
2025-09-05 Lautaro Lucifero TimeTrial -1
2025-09-05 Santiago Souberbielle Flat +1
2025-09-05 Rik Ribbens Flat +1
2025-09-05 Manfred Matt Climbing +1
2025-09-05 Ricardo Rocha Flat +1
2025-09-05 Urs Unternährer Flat +1
2025-09-05 Urs Unternährer Climbing +1
Rik heared me saying he should get to at least 85 flat until the spring 2025, Santiago wants to be there too as an old man according to his late 88 flat. Manfred, Ricardo and Urs doing what's expected from them, good boys.
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