Automaticly created teams

[team fl]

I completly agree with the opinion that automaticly created teams should not be too good. But look at Fohlenracer, who let his team be created automaticly. Well, he has at least a 85 climber. But he has 5 riders with 76 flat or less and under 50 mountain.



What is that? I guess he chose an Allround-Team. Usually you get insulted for such a team with such helpers. Ok perhaps he does not need better leaders, but at least better helpers (esp. in flat. not over 80, but you I guess you get what I mean). I am sure there are better ones who are not much more expensive. Perhpas...

[Robyklebt]

I think it's a fairly good team.

If it's an allround team.

Allround team: A team that can compete a bit everywhere:

Mountains:
85 climber: Good
68-75 as a helper, can't get more than 68 for a classic rider. good
63-78 good.

Mountain team is good I think.

Classic:
68-75 with sprint, good,
63-78 as a helper
85 as a helper

Here again, a good team. Depending on the group wins are possible too.

Sprint:

80 sprinter: weak. But since IMO the mountain and classic sections are stronger than I would actually have expected maybe ok. Maybe. A 85 sprinter with acceptable other skills would clearly have been better though.
Helpers: Radler is ok, (not good, Radler=good is impossible)
The rest: Bad.

Sprint team weak.

The problem is: 15 Mio, make an allround team is difficult. Here 2 sections IMO are strong, 1 weak. But it has to stay at 15 MIo so that the manager doesn't risk making minus. So either you give them lots of 50-80es, but then almost nothing else, or you give them decent leaders and automatically some of the helpers will be bad. The problem with this team is more the sprinter, 50-53 with 80 sprint often is useless. Flat sprint race, 70 or 80 not a big difference with all the 700 90 there. hilly race, no chance, 50-53 too bad to hope to survive a 5. Nobody that far back either often, and not the team to bring him back. At 6 even if 50 is ok, 53 still has an influence and he often will be far back. The helpers like the 61 flat guy? No other way to make an allround team work.

If anything put in some "secondary skill safety". So the climber won't have 85-48, the sprinter won't have 50-53. Like minimum 55 flat for climbers, minimum 57 flat for sprinters. That then probably makes another helper weaker..

Maybe for allround like this:
Climber 85
Classic leader
Classic helper (58-60 mountain with 70+ downhill) weaker than the one now, saves some money
Sprinter 85 with min 57 flat) (and it's spent again the money)
Flat helper 80-82 flat (more money gone)
flat boys 2: 2 with 74-78 flat
filling material: cheap, cheap.

So weaken the classic helper (who is very good here) and strenghten the sprinter, give him one helper that is good too.

Then IMO it's ok. Even like this it's not that bad, big weakness in sprint, but the 2 other sections are good.

[team fl]

As I said: The leaders are ok, but the helpers are not. Better two really crap helpers and three with at least 78 flat or something close to that, than 5 helpers that are useless except for control-tempo in the beginning and "aufladen".

I like your last suggestion if it is possible with 15 Mio. credits. My thoughts (all with 35 to 40 reg), all riders found similar (some even cheaper) on the transfermarkte (name geben):

3'300'000: 85-55-70
1'900'000: 68-78-70 with around 60 Sprint
1'700'000: 60-78-70
1'800'000: 50-55 with around 85 Sprint
1'400'000: 50-80-70
1'300'000: 50-80-50
1'200'000: 48-78-50
1'100'000: 48-60-70
1'100'000: 48-60-70
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14'800'000
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[Robyklebt]

But in this case actually only 2 leaders are ok, the third one, sprinter IMO isn't.

[ariostea]

we have a lot of races - not very often peleton2. and even if there is a peleton2 as a new team your best option quite often is to try to make it to the early group. So in my opinion this team is quite useless. 6 (!) riders with 71 flat or less - absolutely useless.