Tour des Pavés 10h

[team fl]

Weeee, it's time for cobblestones! Team FL ist ready for the Tour des Pavés! *tusch* And now the Team presentation. *drumroll* Ladies and Gentlemen pay attention and please welcome:

With the No. 1, the leader, the pavé specialist, dutchman and still nice... Guuuuus Nederlof! *yeah!yipeee!bravo!lecker!*
With the No. 2, the rich son, the arrogant, self-absorbed but nevertheless attractive... Chuck Baaaaass! *Iwantakidfromyou!iehhh!ChuckIloveyou!*
With the No. 3, the Liechtenstinian, the man from the country, son of a budger... Ronny Beck! *whereishe?alreadygone?wowtoofast...!*
With the No. 4, the banker from the island, the english gentlemen... Mavooooolio Bent! *Iwantyourmoney!iehhh!MavolioIloveyou*
With the No. 5, the duchy duchbag, the apprentice, the future... Gilles Braaaas! *JustinBieber!!!!What?No?Buthelookslike16too...*
With the No. 6, the selfless helper, the heart of Team FL perhaps but for sure its missing link... Daniel Clavadetscherrrr! *...shortclap...*
With the No. 7, el hombre, the man, conquestador, el Pedro, senor Garrido.... Pedro Garrrrrrrrrrrido! *flyingbrasandpets*
With the No. 8, the useless but sometimes still helpful at least from Liechtenstein... Nico Goooooop! *Whoisthat?Haveyouheardabouthim?Nonever*
With the No. 9, Discworlds famous journalist, he knows the whole truth, turnes plumb into gold... William de Woooooorde! *don'tsayanythinghemaybewritesitdown!*

And of course Team FL will do everything to make the other teams sad, or at least not having fun (except they like losing). There are no goals but everything!

[Robyklebt]

Roby here too!

1 I. Duculescu
2 O. Duculescu
3 O. Feng
4 T. Fouché
5 W. Machoro
6 S. Mori
7 B. Qian
8 B. Sagyrbayuly
9 S. Uzielli

68-82 pavé, my best pavéteam since 2006 Fairly good in the top 4, much better than anything I had for years, the usual weaknesses behind that. Still, much better team than it used to be, so of course the goal is a stage win, that was the goal in the last 2 editions as well, but this year the chances look better. 4 riders over 76, of those 3 can somehow hope to win a stage, problem of course is that all three lack the real winning touch of however you want to call it. Iordan no flat, no sprint (and no reg either) with 82 he can always do well, but difficult to win a stage. Olimpiu has the sprint, but not enough pavé (yet hopefully) And of course a horrible flat skill. which is ok, as a parasite he doesn't need huge flat, but the problem is that the team has nobody with flat... Depends a lot on the other teams if he can fight for a win or not, some other teams with a 60-65 sprinter around 80 pavé, riding for that guy of course would increase his chances. Hope a few of those exist. Qian, for him stage 4 a possiblity, only know that Bent and Goop of FL are possible allies-concurrents that day, that would actually fit well.The stage isn't that hard mountainwise, which is actually quit ok, no need to gift the hill-pavé guys the GC, they have their chance, but they will need to work for it.

Should be interesting and fun!

[Bear]

I can't be here. I have two parties on the screen, so 10h is no option. The other times are not possible either. So, no Pave Tour for the pave specialists of Team Bearclaw...

[Strohhutbande]

The wild pirate Line-Up



31: Craig Snowsill
32: Aghiles Bezzaz
33: Mickael Crétien
34: Honorato daSilvaNilmar
35: Adléne Guédioura
36: Jamal Lamyaghri
37: Adriano LeiteRibeiro
38: Djamel Saifi
39: Yasser Zaabat


Goal will be to win 1 stage and have fun!

[team fl]

First stage as expected: ritchie's Bagu, the main favorite, wins the race and is first in the leader's jersey. The young Duculescu surprisingly strong on the second place and now a good guess for white and green (as the 3rd from today, Craig Snowsill).

For the GC, I don't think there is a chance for the classics. too many too strong flatties with a good pavéskill. Thus, my guess for the favorites is the following:

***** Bagu (ritchie sport)
**** Craig Snowshill (Strohhutbande), Olimpiu Duculescu (Petit Singe)
*** Stanakov (EXODUS), Nederlof (Team FL), Iordan Duculescu (Petit Singe), LaCroix (Samurais)
** Hung Doling, Hang Dilang( both RS Walbeck)
* Any classic with a good pavéskill

For tomorrow it will be interesting. Lots of riders have used lots of power today, so they won't be fit. Ok, it's not that difficult tomorrow, but still, it could be important.

Team FL plans: ritchie votes for a sprint with deWorde, but I don't think I will do one stage alone and so ride for Garrido rather than deWorde. Also because it is hardly possible to hold everything together for deWorde or possible for deWorde to follow a really strong pavé rider.

[Robyklebt]

?

***** Bagu (ritchie sport)
**** Craig Snowshill (Strohhutbande), Olimpiu Duculescu (Petit Singe)
*** Stanakov (EXODUS), Nederlof (Team FL), Iordan Duculescu (Petit Singe), LaCroix (Samurais)
** Hung Doling, Hang Dilang( both RS Walbeck)
* Any classic with a good pavéskill

Sorry, bad list.

Olimpiu ****? Even * too much for him, he can't win. He has the reg to win, but not the mountain. Yeah, Souvenir Monticulo is not that hard, but a 6 in there is too hard for him. And there is more than one. No chance. Especially because I don't really have the team to bring him back either. Snowshill similar, ok he has 48, Strohhut has Bezzas to bring him back. but in front there will be others. basically all other Pavériders, and they won't just stop to wait for Snowshill. They will probably have to chase the classic riders, and hopefully somewhere in between Iordan and LaCroix...

Bagu: Not sure I would give him 5, actually I wouldn't give 5 to anybody yet. There is no clear favorite, Bagu has chances, but his problem will be the reg of the team mostly his own can be an issue too and then Souvenir Monticulo, it's not too hard, but it can be made hard. It's not automatic that everybody comes back. And Bagu can't be sure to regularly win bonifications again either. Finally today he won less than expected I think.

I would put LaCroix and Iordan higher up. The 2 best in the mountain of the 80+ pavé guys. Ok, what really hurts Iordan is the lack of sprint and reg, sprint not enough to beat anybody, reg the first one to be out of reg by following attacks or sprinting... Still, I like Iordan, full confidence he will do his best. Stakanov, Nederlof, just a little bit behind. Nederlof with a similar problem to Ducu, not really the support riders to bring him back in the flat... or keep him in front of others.

And the 70-80 pavé are not automatically out either, the hardest flat day was today. tomorrow easier, Cole easier in the end and the 4s should help the hill guys keep the time loss fairly small, Monticulo they can win some time back, it's not sure, but possible, then 5 a lot is possible, last day, reg unimportant for the next day. Still, I think chances for the flat guys are finally better. But they have more chances than Olimpiu for sure.

Today, worked out well for me, could have gone differently... A Bagusieb and Iordan probably the last of 80+pavé guys, but ok, the one Walbeck still behind, maybe that helps... Olimpiu gone in that case though, still some hope for Iordan.. Couldn't decide who should help... Iordan no, Olimpiu? Qian? Don't want to lose the option Qian the first day, so no. Olimpiu? Only one who can hope to win a stage in a sprint, so most likely my only chance for a stage win... didn't want to let him help either, so all just riding, worked out perfectly, but was a risk. Olimpiu now good chances for white, didn't even think of that, only Warriors a danger... but Olimpiu will be nr 3 so some times he might have to help, especially on day 3+4.. not sure I want to ride for white as long as I see hope for yellow with one of the other 2... but good chances for white anyway. Green, don't think so, but I would take it too...

Anyway, open still, let's see what happens tomorrow.

[Falkenbier]

Bah, no chance with my 76 pavé stars, need an incredible training now. Good that I spent a lot of money to Mr. Buh for a new license yesterday...

But an interesting group, don't know who's the favorite for the GC. Still 10 - 15 riders with good chances in my opinion, the strong flat/pave riders maybe a bit in advantage, depends on what happens tomorrow as well. Sprint? Possible, don't know if FL wants, the problem is that deWorde is a bit too strong for the other 60er sprinters to get strong help from other teams.
On the other hand we have a Olimpiu and a Snowsill with chances for yellow (red... why still this red? don't like it) with a lucky sprint, and others from the second group to take some seconds back, so maybe some help after all? A big lottery for sure, but a sprint of a bigger group seems possible for me.

Anyway, the beer bellies without electricity tomorrow from 9 to 11, so probably I'll miss the first half of the race

[team fl]

Roby cleaned favorite list:

*****
**** Bagu (ritchie sport), Iordan Duculescu (Petit Singe), LaCroix (Samurais)
*** Stanakov (EXODUS), Nederlof (Team FL),
** Hung Doling, Hang Dilang( both RS Walbeck), Craig Snowshill (Strohhutbande), Olimpiu Duculescu (Petit Singe)
* Any classic with a good pavéskill


I still think that olimpiu and craig will have their chances, just because they probably gain some more bonussecs. But everything depends on stage 5 and what happens there. For the 70-80 (or similar) it will be very hard. the last 6 without * is far away from the finish line and I don't think that 6** is enough to keep a 50-91 with pavé 85 away. Anyway, hard to tell, because there are 3 other stages to go before stage 5, which will cost power as well.

[team fl]

Interesting! Wow, every stage till now surprising. Mainly because of mistakes. And I HATE it getting second when winning a sprint... pff...

Ok, the most interesting stage will be tomorrow. Lots of weak riders. Teams like roby's, falke, me, widar's will try to get a classic finish, ritchie, exo and strohhut may go for a pave finish with their specialists. Iordan D. and petit Nicolas also with chances, hope Nederlof can follow. Whatever, for sure again an nice stage.

I still think ritchie will have good chances for the GC as well as strohhut. Also falke is not to underestimate, Volosomething in a nice position for tomorrow. Although the last stage could be too much for him.

Well, as the participation here is really great, I finish now and do nothing myself.

[NoPikouze]

I want to participate

Pff too bad I decided not to race here, would have been easy for Rahman versus all your weak noob pavé "stars" :

[gaurain rx]

I want to participate

Pff too bad I decided not to race here, would have been easy for Rahman versus all your weak noob pavé "stars" :

Well, i offer you my part of participation at this topic

[Robyklebt]

Roby will have a sitter. That will maybe have to live out Robys anti social Ader. Hihi. Blame me, not him. Well, them, since I do what usually gets others a lot of insults from me when I do it. Ride a tour, even though I know I can only be there 3 of 5 stages.

Today:

Let Ritchie suffer, for tomorrow as well, didn't work as well as I hoped, I hoped others join, and that we have a generally harder stage. The Ritchie part was ok as it ended up anyway, but then I wanted more, a harder stage as I said. But won't kill more than one rider while others watch. Tomorrow not even that, probably. The end, Stakanov attacks at the right moment, nobody follows, Nederlof on Bagu it seems, me on Nederloof.. since I thought at that point it was him who would have had to block that km if anybody had to.. Following Bagu not the wrong choice either, same as me with Nederlof, would do the same again.

So Stakanov wins, deserved, he did a lot today, (including getting Samurai excited). Out of the GC I think: LaCroix. Samurai really should have watched the course before the second stage. His stages were today, to prepare for tomorrow, and tomorrow to try and keep the other pavé riders away. Together with Iordan obviously

Tomorrow? A classic arrival? Haven't gotten the slightest interest in a classic riders arrival. There it's 1 Baumgartner or Volubolubingdobumfalke or Garrido. What's in it for me? Place nr 8 for Qian? Thanks, but smell the fragrance of my farts and go masturbating, or something. Tomorrow the leader nr 1 is once again Iordan. Of coure Qian as a nr 2 is an option if I see, or my brillant sitter of course since I won't see anything, that the Iordan plan won't work. Then ok otherwise, no, all for Iordan. Want to drop the others but keep Iordan? Ok for me, I'll help. Then I'm for the classics arrival.. otherwise, do it yourself, siebs etc. Samurais help for a duel Iordan vs LaCroix would have been nice, but with his probably dead team... will see, don't think the chances are that great, but they are there. Especially since I'm not sure that Bagu is actually in reg, should be very close IMO. Nederlof sucks in the flat almost as much as my riders, if he's dropped, he will have difficulty coming back. Snowshill no mountain, the Walbecks we'll see. Stakanov strong and good reg, hard to beat, if somehow Iordan is in front, the others in the back.. if the front cooperates, that includes Ruhr, then it could work. Garrido the stage would be fine with me. Volobrummbrumm... too much sprint, so gets bonusseconds if the plan works, then is even further ahead of Iordan... will just have to drop the fucker the last day then.. doesn't look that good, yes, but Iordan still my best option, Olimpiu will just be too weak tomorrow, you saw it today as well, +4 he was fighting, before then being dropped.

Anyway, interesting stage today, really pissed of that I can't ride tomorrow.

Now I have to start writing my 800000000 character pns to my sitters. What to do when Mori is dropped, all that could happen at km 113 and how to react to all different scenarios. Mmh, won't sleep much today.

[Falkenbier]

VOLOSJUK!!!! grrrrrr... beaten by Snowsill today, not cool, wanted to have the little chance for green jersey. And I'm really not sure if I'll finish the race in the first group tomorrow, was the weakest classic rider on pavé of all today. Can only hope that all the FL's are with Volo after the sieb But ok, no idea how this 6***** works, but don't think that the classics are stronger than the "real" pave riders there, could imagine a trio Ducu-Nederlof-Doling for the win, maybe with Baumgart who destroy the group, hmmm... or an early escaper? Should I try it again with Ruhr? hmmm...

[Samurais]

Ein 4fach erfolg heute wer kann sowas schon mal behaupten ^^. Danke an alle die mich fahren ließen und an Stroh sry nochmal aber er ist als 2tes gefahren und als er dann irgendwann nicht abfiel naja da nahm ich ihn halt mit^^. Denke war aber alles ok versprach ja nie ihn fallen zu lassen oder so, ist ja auch egal da der morgen nur seine reg hatt. Baku jetzt wohl wieder top favo einziger nachteil wohl die schwäche seine teams. Morgen werden Teams wie Petit oder fl das Feld eh auseinandernehmen also wird das mit dem rot eine einmalige sache bei mir bleiben. Mal noch ne Frage ist gelb nicht immer das trikot des führenden? oder ist das nur bei der TDF so? Hoffe auf ein spannendes ende der tour morgen und sry das ich hier deutsch schreibe aber ich bin auch nicht so der englischriese.

[Widar]

Da sind wir schon zu zweit. Ich bin auch kein Englischriese und verstand in diesem Thread bisher eigentlich nur Bahnhof. Naja, ich verstand immerhin schon Hauptbahnhof. Aber auch nicht mehr. Gratulation übrigens Samu: Platz 1 – 4 und das Trikot des Gesamtführenden sozusagen Geschenkt bekommen. Mir würde es schon reichen, wenn eine meiner diversen Solofluchten mal zu einem Etappenerfolg führen würde. Heute hatte ich leider keinen mehr Fit um ausreißen zu können. Um deine Frage zu beantworten. Die Trikotfarben der diversen Wertungen (Gesamtwertung, Jungfahrer, Punktetrikot, Bergfahrer) sind bei realen Rundfahrten unterschiedlich. Der Führende trägt also nicht immer Gelb. Im Realen gibt es sogar noch andere Wertungen. Schau dir dazu einfach mal die Webseiten der verschiedenen Rundfahrten an.

[olmania]

A great topic in english.
And 2 last posts in german

In this case I want to moderate ... but I can't because if something written is really important for the race of tomorrow, I'll be lynched

So, I just can say : come back to english here please.

[gaurain rx]

A great topic in english.
And 2 last posts in german

In this case I want to moderate ... but I can't because if something written is really important for the race of tomorrow, I'll be lynched

So, I just can say : come back to english here please.

Well, don't be english stubborn Ol' please... In our group, only 2 french, me and Bressan... Bressan never o, the forum and I understand German.. So no prob with German... And not everybody can english

[NoPikouze]

YIPPEE YA YE !!
Guus is a real hero

[team fl]

YIPPEE YA YE !!
Guus is a real hero

Yihaaa! Somehow I knew it would work

Tanks and I hope everybody enjoyed the Tour.