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AlmavivaItalia · Post by **AlmavivaItalia** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:57 pm

@Alma You we're accused as a sucker on flat stages? Who said it? I, as one of the two "big guns" of sprint here in this peloton (and in whole RSF^^), never said so. I feel not very good if you escape, sure, cause you have little chances to win with one of the few sprinters here, but I know that it is very hard for Dasic to win, because with this few options for taking a wheel me and Rake are clear favourites every flat stage. And so I would never say that you are sucking on flat stages. If there were more sprinters and the sprints were more open then, it would be another thing. But this way everything is okay, I think.

i've told it during an afterstage... not by you.

ELITE TEAM · Post by **ELITE TEAM** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:19 pm

Normally Xavi would have 1 min more advantage on his konto...
But i missed the prologue and the first difficult stage - and this accident yesterday as alma gained 20 secs for soares ...

I think Soares will win this tour easily but i will try everything to make him the win as difficult as possible ...

Perhaps i can manage a stagewin and perhaps top3 - and then i will be happy eventhough i missed the first stages.

out of topic: i love rsf - and i would like to play more

what about a second RSF - only good ones and addicted ones come into it where 1 day is as long as everyone done his settings and are ready to race - in the race 15-30 secs mintakt. only 1 race to participate and race starts if 15 teams done their settings and click on ready - like Anstoss.
What do the other addicted think about this idea - dont wanna buy PCM and play with bugusers online - perhaps so can buh test some beta version more often and would be a elite RSF - where everything goes faster.

AlmavivaItalia · Post by **AlmavivaItalia** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:34 pm

and this accident yesterday as alma gained 20 secs for soares

Just to notify (i'm guilty, i've admitted it

) Soares was 15'' late then Ximenez, and at 25'' late than Ximenez there was Elmo's classic, so the seconds are between 10 and 15... not more..

About RSF... if Buhmann has enough time to develop, i like to race twice (or threesome^^) in a day, if i'm able

stinull · Post by **stinull** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:57 pm

Still gone Try fpo Place1 if i Dont loss more then 2 min in Mounten s i think jeanmarie stil has chance to win the Tdf in last Time trial ) .

its not mountens thats scare s me its downhills )

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:36 pm

Hi Lizard

I would like to know if you tomorrow will do hard race till the start for Zachary (think you've enough chances for a win tomorrow, between climbers there will may be fight for the polka dot jersey) or if we're still able to fight for red 'till the start.

can you answer or i will notice it in the race?^^

Here's a personal message I received from AlmavivaItalia today... please stop the questions, to all of us, it's annoying, and like PNs it's not even fair to make secret agreements. You just didn't learn a thing from the stage at Sunday till now!

team fl · Post by **team fl** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Lizard wrote:
Hi Lizard

I would like to know if you tomorrow will do hard race till the start for Zachary (think you've enough chances for a win tomorrow, between climbers there will may be fight for the polka dot jersey) or if we're still able to fight for red 'till the start.

can you answer or i will notice it in the race?^^
Here's a personal message I received from AlmavivaItalia today... please stop the questions, to all of us, it's annoying, and like PNs it's not even fair to make secret agreements. You just didn't learn a thing from the stage at Sunday till now!

Well, despite the content, personal messages are... personal! so it's also not fair to quote them 1 to 1 in public.

AlmavivaItalia · Post by **AlmavivaItalia** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:42 pm

Ready to take my responsabilities about what i wrote.

i answer the PN before reading this message, so i can retype there my answer...

Agreements?

do i arrange the race?

i was asking for one choice for me: go with Ayrton or try to go with Patrick for the red.

I do not deserve the -1 because I do not propose anything for you, no make any agree. But it remains your decision.

I expected an answer like: i consider Zachary as favo, so maybe i do it, or i don't consider Zachary as favo.

It was enough...
I hadn't asked for your settings or other else you're thinking..

I've I feel with a clear conscience and not so stupid as not to deserve answer for everything that I wrote on the forum, but if you think so i can't do Anyting...

I ask, if this is a try to arrange the race, to be kicked out of the TdF now, and to be deleted from the game.

NoPikouze · Post by **NoPikouze** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:19 pm

Stop flaming

Zentaron · Post by **Zentaron** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:21 pm

1.) Personal messages are personal. I agree with FL in that point.

2.) Trying to get race tactic informations is not fine too. However, nobody is able to control, who is talking/writing via TeamSpeak, Skype, ICQ or other messengers. So this is maybe nothing new.

But: You should/will never get an answer to these questions from real gamers/cycling freaks here at this game, cause nobody really wants to reveal his/her tactics. That is what we tried to tell you, Alma, when you asked last time.
And, it is, that's what makes wiz angry, I think, a try to get unfair advantages (maybe not wanted unfair but they would have been) to the other teams that wouldn't have these answers you now would have if wiz would have answered. Try to analyse the stage by yourselves, maybe in a normal conversation here in this thread. Just think about the goals of every team here and make your own scenario what will/can happen. That's the way I try to find out what to do for me the next stages, and it's quite hard.^^
At last there is only one thing you can do in the race: Try to bring home your tactics or react to the actions of the others (with falling back to peloton or tempo/hard race by your own or....) in a way that it is good for your own goals without destroying the race for others with senseless actions. It's quite hard and nobody, not even the all outshining ape, reacts correctly everytime, but that's what the chat then is for.

Ronson · Post by **Ronson** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:15 pm

Godd Idee Liz, but let me cut the list that we just have the riders with a real chance to win the gc.

Lizard wrote:Favocheck!

General classement

1st Xavi Ximenez 00:00:00
2nd Jean Marie Betancourt 00:00:20
3rd Francisco Soares 00:00:32
4th Erik Elmo 00:00:44

There are many potential scenarios which would end in different final results. The form settings of all these riders should be pretty much clear, so every man should be able to figure out the seconds he needs before the last TT. But I commit myself that Erik Elmo won't win and Francisco Soares won't be the 4th. All other results are possible and open and the next 2 stages will reduce the favorits and just 2 of them will fight for the crown.

I would feeling better with one more mountain finish.

Anyway! Soares will get +1 mountain, +1 flat and +TT, Osvaldo +1 flat and McLeaod and Gutirrez +1 mountain too.

Ronson · Post by **Ronson** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:26 pm

ELITE TEAM wrote:Normally Xavi would have 1 min more advantage on his konto...
But i missed the prologue and the first difficult stage - and this accident yesterday as alma gained 20 secs for soares ...

That is really too bad. Especially with relation to your interesting form setting.

ELITE TEAM wrote: I think Soares will win this tour easily...

I'm not so sure about it.

ELITE TEAM wrote: ... but i will try everything to make him the win as difficult as possible ...

I'm sure about it.

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:23 am

Just to answer to FL here.. yes, it's not a sign of good behaviour to show personal messages, and I never did before. In the time I was playing RSF there have been some managers already asking me stupid tactic questions they can figure out themselves just to be sure and 100% reliable on their information. I'm just sick of it, it's unfair, because as BSE said it's an attempt to get illegal advantage and from that point it actually concerns the others in the peloton (though FL is right, it was not right to do so). I will probably never again show a personal message in the forums, just this time I was upset about Alma trying to do the same thing as since the first race I was riding against him. So before I start bullshitting, maybe I just stop to react to anything like this here, and it's done.

So, next:
@Ronson: I don't think Soares and Ximenez will end 4th, but it's still possible. You never know what happens. Actually a GC-attack by Elmo is the only thing that Soares wouldn't expect being totally focused on the other favourites. So who knows! Though after all I'm a 100% sure the first 4 will not arrive in Paris in the same constellation, that's a promise

Ronson · Post by **Ronson** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:54 am

Today it would be a conservative stage I think. But hard for me I guess.

ELITE TEAM · Post by **ELITE TEAM** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:16 pm

I think minimum as hard as for me and EQ - Wiz will laugh at the end

Ronson · Post by **Ronson** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:36 pm

ELITE TEAM wrote:I think minimum as hard as for me and EQ - Wiz will laugh at the end

Don't see that!

Rake · Post by **Rake** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:30 pm

Etappe 12

In the Beginning it looked like we could have a nice group including Feuerbach and Ayrton for the red, but Nano stopped the Mountainrider from joining the group. After another two men attack by Ceriale, he had four riders in the escape, but even that wasnt enough to have a chance to make it over the first mountain of the day, because Nano and MTV chased them mercylessly.

In the mountain everybody was waiting for the Wizard sieb, but a not so clear manoever of Euipo Kas for appearently just some not very meaningful Points did the trick, without the need of Wizard to take action.

Immidiately the sprinters startet the chase, hopping a sprint finish could be possible today, but 1:30min. in behind just before the start of the second mountain was to much and they had to forfeit the stage.

After that the race calmed down and Wizard controlled to get not only the intermediate, but hopefully also the Stagewin.

Until 172 km not much worth mentioning happend, until heroicly Ayrton attacked to regain his virtually lost red jersey. Quickly he had a 3 min. gap, which seemed to be enough to reach the 206 km for the points, but Nano took the chance to start a follow attack with a one man group, so the field began to work and forced Ayrton back into tempo. Ayrton and Boa quickly came to terms and they started working together for their respective goals.

in the last hilly part of the day between 201 km and 206 km Sk took over the controle in the field seemingly to prevent Elite from attacking, but then shockingly attacked by himself at 204 km. Amazingly nobody cared to take action and so quickly a group around the Tourfavos from SK and Elmo gained time on their opponents.

Obviously this helped the escape bigtime and made the triumph of Nano possible, but also stole over 3 min. in the GC.

So interesting stage, but with Elmo doing a bit much of cooperation with SK it seems like the GC could be settled, although Erik is only 12 sec. in behind and could have or at least could have had a shot at yellow.

I dont know about form but Elmo wont be better in the last TT, will he?

Zentaron · Post by **Zentaron** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:22 pm

So, wie mich beim Giro die Leute frustriert haben, frustriert mich grad extrem die Etappe. Klar, man kann alles auf einen Kilomter zu spätes Tempo reduzieren, aber die zwei Kilometer mit der einen Sekunde da waren letztlich die nicht nachvollziehbare Entscheidung von außerhalb. Vor allem, wenn man dann in Relation setzt, daß ein Achiel auf ja, alleine, auf einmal 4 Sekunden holt, obwohl nur 100 Kraft mehr als Raoul, der bereits im Tempo war. Schwachsinn, purer Schwachsinn. Sowas verhagelt extrem die Lust auf RSF.
Die ganzen Änderungen kommen auch alle nicht, da ist es doch kein Wunder, daß ich bis zur TdF hier überhaupt keinerlei Ansporn verspürt habe, Rennen zu fahren.
Im Moment bin ich extrem frustriert (selbst wiz' Pech mit nur Platz 4 hilft da wenig, mich aufzubauen). Chance auf Grün zwar weiterhin da, und das nötigt mich wahrscheinlich, weiterzufahren, aber Lust hab ich momentan echt gar keine, und nach der Tour werd ich wohl zu 99% wieder pausieren, bis sich endlich mal was an Änderungen tut.

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:24 pm

Ich hoffe du ziehst die Tour noch durch, allein aus Respekt vor unserem tollen Duell, das mich persönlich wirklich sehr anspornt, weil es ein sehr fairer und abwechslungsreicher Wettkampf ist!

Zentaron · Post by **Zentaron** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:38 pm

Nu ja, jegliche Fairneß ist, ohne daß einer von uns beiden schuld wäre, heute flöten gegangen.

Robyklebt · Post by **Robyklebt** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:57 pm

Flötenunterricht hat mich auch immer genervt, später musste ich dann noch ein halbes Jahr Klavierunterricht nehmen. Gefiel mir ganz gut, der Lehrer hatte immer gute Bonbons. Wurde ihm aber zu teuer, hat dann meiner Mutter irgendwelche Märchen von "hat keinen Sinn" aufgetischt, nur damit er die Bonbons selbst geniessen konnte. Pah.

AlmavivaItalia · Post by **AlmavivaItalia** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:27 pm

with only one mountain stage remaining, and after one "too hard" due to fight for Mountain Jersey, the situation is now more clear:

Fight for yellow:

between Soares and Elmo (12'' and 1TT point more for the SK Guy)

Alma Situation: Hilbert P7 now, He may descend 'till P11 due of his lackness of TT, Brathwaite P19, probably down to 21

Green Jersey

Stalteri seems to be enough sure of the win, only one problem may interfere, an high tempo since the starts tomorrow, but i think nobody has the team for doing this.

2 stages for Soneau (but seems not enough strong for a win), 1 for Stalteri, but +48 for Paul

Alma Situation: Dasic P3, +63 points from 4th, that is Aaron Moses, So enough to gain some money.

Red Jersey

Strong Stage By MTV Weferlingen, with more than 50 points gained by Feuerbach. Now the climber has +16 points (and another stage for him) of advantage on Ayrton SennaDaSilva (mine). Actually 3rd is Hilbert, but 0 chances for him. Tomorrow 65 points (35 in last part of the stage), friday other 14 and on sunday 6.. Feuerbach at 99 % if online.

White Jersey

Elmo gain it with no fight (1h11' of advantage). 2nd position for Helfer, 3rd For Bonilla.

Alma Situation: Today, bad day for him, Ayrton lost 3rd position in white, becoming 4th with only few seconds of advantage in p5.

In concusion, before the end of the tour, good experience (first GT for me) and a few of confusing ideas about the future of the team (Hilbert at the end of his career, another young "classic rider" bought... let's see..)

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:20 pm

So, tour is over, GW to all winners. I think I learned much here, even though I might know the game quite good already.. but it was my first tour, and I guess I had to learn the french profiles for 3 weeks first, I rather win in Italy and Belgium^^ Next year I maybe come back!

Zentaron · Post by **Zentaron** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:48 pm

Nice tour all in all. Some differences, which are quite normal if you have to stay three weeks with the same (unknown) people every day, some frustration caused by the game itself, but in the end it was very nice.

Fight for Green was great, thanks wiz. With you not missing the first stage it would be totally frustrating for me at the end, I think, mostly because of the damn stage with the one second. I'm proud I won that fight against Soneau.

Yellow was a plain sailing at the end, caused by one missing moment by Elite and due to the rain at the beginning that took EQ out of the race for the jersey.

Was nice to ride with you guys.

Ronson · Post by **Ronson** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:31 am

Hi folks,

sorry for missing the last 3 stages and thanks to Zickl, Heid and Playboy for sitting me and ensure the yellow for Soares. With the TdF win Soares reached 2/3 of his career goals. With the better opponents and the hard profile the 3rd step, the Vuelta, will be very hard.

Thanks for the nice tour, it was a pleasure to ride with you guys.

@Elmo
Very good riding style. Hope Erik will have more more luck within train his skills. Hope we will see us at the Vuelta to have a very nice fight.

@BSE
Very fair sportsman, quit rightly the king of sprints.

@Wiz
It's always a pleasure to ride with you. Too bad that you are missed 1-2 stages for Soneau.

@Alma
Don't ask too much, just ride and gain experience. If so, you are headed in the right direction.

@ELITE
It's always a pleasure to ride with you. Too bad that you are missed 2 stages for Xavi and do the mistake at the on stage with the flat finish.

@EQ
You worked a lot, maybe to much. Missing to block in 3-4 cases destroyed the podium for JeanMarie. Very active.

@MTV
Good and confident fight for red.

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