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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:52 pm

If he doesn't like rosa, no problem, Berlogea would take it back, he liked it. Ok, some minutes back, but Berlo being Berlo he can do it.

Why Iatiknu has chances? Already said that.

Intermediate sprints,2 easily getable. Of course the tactic works there too, somebody goes early, Iatiknu on the wrong one... but the opposite is true too. And if all go at 50 without including training, form and luck, he should win the intermediate sprints. Including energy, since he is guaranteed to have 2 helpers. Fokke not, Hargi yes, but 92 vs 97...

Then the rest of the energy story, Fokke risks coming to the last stage with less energy, which makes him a siebable guy that day. So for me he has his chances, and if I had to bet on somebody know it would be him. 30%, 25% Hargi and Fokke, the other 20% for Prebois, Chase, Kokorin (ok 2%) Winehouse (1%) Conti (1%) and Berlogea (he wants to win 3 stages to get the time needed to get his rosa back! 0%)


rosa: Ok, only 6' to Urganov, so timegain in mountain with same mountain skill seems to be less, yes, Urganov has 3 more mountains but that doesn't make up the whole 3' probably. Neither does my brillant OL tactic. 6' still too much to be able to really dream about attacking him, but we'll see. As often during this Tour I have really no clue what to do in the next days. Would really prefer a second stage win to the white, but somehow think both will be more difficult than just one. Will see on a day to day basis. But looking forward to the last 5 days, first 7 were interesting.
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:25 pm

Robyklebt wrote:But looking forward to the last 5 days, first 7 were interesting.

Nothing interesting about this tour. Worst design ever. Made for parasites and lulus. Grr !
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:31 pm

No parasits here, but many Lulus here, you were right nopik :) :lol:

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:37 pm

Says the one with the parasite win. ;)
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:42 pm

of course, kokorins win today was a parasit win :roll:


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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:53 pm

I make you a gift: an "e". :P
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:56 pm

What about sending me your password ?
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:56 pm

Yes, yes, be patient. You'll get it.^^
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:59 pm

I'm just eager to beat the designer of this thing !
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Zentaron wrote:I make you a gift: an "e". :P
go to hell, little german teacher :lol:

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:08 pm

NoPikouze wrote:I'm just eager to beat the designer of this thing !
Try the password, the PN is sent.
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by NoPikouze » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:15 pm

I just burned half of my neurones trying to understand you blabla. :x
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:17 pm

Hey, it was very short. I was once the sitter of the ape, he sent me a book of 1287 pages with the stuff i have to look for.
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2009: 36
2010: 47
2011: 34

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:20 pm

Zentaron wrote:Hey, it was very short. I was once the sitter of the ape, he sent me a book of 1287 pages with the stuff i have to look for.
only 1287 pages? :shock:

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:21 pm

Yes, only. But the book was in A3. :D
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2008: 54
2009: 36
2010: 47
2011: 34

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:48 pm

Hey, if you had read the whole thing you would have known that it was only recommandatinons, nothing binding :lol:
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:13 pm

Ha, Kaju has no clue about sprinting. :lol: So you can sell Fokke to me - in january maybe?
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:25 pm

ah, hab dir nach der ersten normandie etappe gesagt das ich mich rächen werd als du von fokkes hr aus gewonnen hast.
heute wusste ich das du wieder an meinen hr bist, so bin ich halt gemein hab ich mir gedacht und gehe an deins. kann so viel besser schlafen wenn ich weiß das ich iatiknu nicht wieder zu nem sieg gezogen hab ;)

und grün hat mich nie wirklich interessiert, deswegen juckts mich auch kaum das haargi das jetzt hat ...

aber iatiknu hätte ja auch heute früh gehen können, bei sowas darf man sich halt NIE auf mich verlassen :lol:

und keine ahnung ob ich fokke verkaufen soll...grml

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by NoPikouze » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:45 pm

Let's say it in another way.
Think one second about what happens when iatiknu goes on hargi and fokke on iatiknu. That's completely unacceptable.
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:47 pm

Kajutschka wrote:ah, hab dir nach der ersten normandie etappe gesagt das ich mich rächen werd als du von fokkes hr aus gewonnen hast.
heute wusste ich das du wieder an meinen hr bist, so bin ich halt gemein hab ich mir gedacht und gehe an deins. kann so viel besser schlafen wenn ich weiß das ich iatiknu nicht wieder zu nem sieg gezogen hab ;)

und grün hat mich nie wirklich interessiert, deswegen juckts mich auch kaum das haargi das jetzt hat ...

aber iatiknu hätte ja auch heute früh gehen können, bei sowas darf man sich halt NIE auf mich verlassen :lol:

und keine ahnung ob ich fokke verkaufen soll...grml
Wie gesagt, kannst du gar nicht wissen. Hab nämlich zu NoPik in der PN gesagt, daß Fokke wahrscheinlich eine schlechte Wahl ist. ;) Kenne dich zu gut, und weiß, daß du keine Ahnung vom Sprinten hast. :P :lol: (Und deshalb ja, verkauf ihn :lol: - aber erst, wenn ich Geld hab, also wohl Ende Januar^^)

And NoPik is right. You in my wheel is, because Fokke was for sure the strongest (energy) today, a worst case scenario. Yes, i still have a chance to win, but it's worse than your's when i'm in your wheel.

edit: auf Deutsch weiter^^: Und selbst wenn ich heute von deinm Rad aus gewinne, was ja nicht mal sicher ist, ist das doch gut für dich. Kannst dir dann nämlich (relativ) sicher sein, daß ich auf der letzten Etappe nicht an dir hänge. ;)
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:55 pm

Ja, das ich keine Ahnung hab weiß ich eh, hätte heute aber trotzdem alles drauf gewettet das Iatkinu an mir ist...ok, hätte vielleicht doch an Haargi gehen sollen wenn ihr das ganze so ausgerechnet habt und meint das es dann zufall wäre wer gewonnen hätte. aber gut, ich rechne das nie aus oder rechne es nach, interessiert mich nicht, gefällt mir auch nicht das der sprint so einfach mathematisch auszurechnen ist, aber das ist ein anderes thema ;)

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:55 pm

Of course it's acceptable. Everybody sprints like he wants too. But long term it's very counter productive IMO. Sprinting so that another one doesn't win instead of sprinting to win yourself...
Sprint is a lot about collaboration, collaborate to get the groups, then sprint so that you win. By taking the collaboration but then sprinting on purpose in a way that the other can't win of course will have consequences in the way other sprint teams view you and how they collaborate with you in the future. Here IMO the sprint was bad because by going on Crissler, or Hargi as Kaju said, he thougth he would go early for sure, would have given Kaju and excellent chance to win. If you sprint so that the other doesn't win when you see no chance to win yourself or little ones, different thing, here it was basically letting a very very good chance to win go so that Iatiknu doesn't win from your wheel. I said IMO 50-50 chance then, and 50% chance to win is very very very very good in a sprint.

But too much talked about it already anyway, it's the way it is. I think Kaju made a fairly bad sprint, let a good chance to win pass, he doesn't mind as long as Iatiknu didn't win, for me changes very little today either way since I made another fantastic sprint myself again....
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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:56 pm

NoPikouze wrote:Let's say it in another way.
Think one second about what happens when iatiknu goes on hargi and fokke on iatiknu. That's completely unacceptable.
:lol:

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Kajutschka » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:58 pm

Hm...das ganze kommt jetzt irgendwie so rüber als ob ich BSE den Sieg nicht vergönne fällt mir gerade auf. Dem ist nicht so, glaube das weißt du auch BSE...
wollt ich nur mal gesagt haben ;)

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Re: Sheik Tour 15h

Post by Zentaron » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:02 pm

Kajutschka wrote:Ja, das ich keine Ahnung hab weiß ich eh, hätte heute aber trotzdem alles drauf gewettet das Iatkinu an mir ist...ok, hätte vielleicht doch an Haargi gehen sollen wenn ihr das ganze so ausgerechnet habt und meint das es dann zufall wäre wer gewonnen hätte. aber gut, ich rechne das nie aus oder rechne es nach, interessiert mich nicht, gefällt mir auch nicht das der sprint so einfach mathematisch auszurechnen ist, aber das ist ein anderes thema ;)
Na ja, aber was willst sonst machen? RSF ist zahlenbasiert, da kommst nicht drumrum, daß es auszurechnen geht - irgendwie. Oder willst komplett Lotto spielen? :D
Is ja auch egal. Alle wissen, daß du heute schlecht warst, und das reicht. :lol:
Ne, ernsthaft - ist nur ein Spiel, nehm das halt auch ned so ernst im Moment. Deine Beweggründe waren halt nur seltsam für mich.


Und ja, das weiß ich. Ist ja genau wie bei der Fokke-Etappe, dem Lutscher-Sieg da, nur andersrum eben.^^


edit: was lachst du eigentlich über NoPiks Aussage? Hat doch recht. Ich hab viel mehr zu verlieren als andersrum. Ich lieg im Rennen um Grün hinter dir, verlier ich noch mehr Punkte, weil du an mir hängst und gewinnst, ist es aus. ;)
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2008: 54
2009: 36
2010: 47
2011: 34

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