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team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Pokemon Club » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:06 pm

Please someone looks at the replay. A lot of team attacks with surely an influence on the final result

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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Laurens88 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:57 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think only this km was the problem:

Km: 108, Gradient: 0
Sanzhar Tuychiev (Rapid Vitesse) attacks
Francois Heynderickx (waerl) follows
Jonas Budreika (Rapid Vitesse) attacks
Jenna Wolf (Team Toto) attacks
Erik Biak (waerl) follows
Sandy Rose (Team Toto) attacks
Takako Mamiya (Pokemonogatari) follows
Tina Rosenbauer (waerl) follows
Isaiah Faingaanuku (Rapid Vitesse) follows

I dropped Isaiah after the team attack. I was 2 km late, but my rider was in a different group than the other two (my riders attacked in green and Toto in red), so I had no advantage. And I dropped him all the way back to the peloton, so I feel I did enough to make things fair again.

waerl also dropped a rider but a lot later than me and after being specifically told to do so. So he took a bit of advantage, but also not much, especially looking at the result as we both had no riders in the final group that won the race...

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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:43 pm

I am not on a desktop pc today, so if you can post race details and race chat completely(!) that will help FPC.
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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Tukhtahuaev » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:30 am

I looked at the replay and pasted the relevant parts here.

Km 108 the already mentioned teamattck from Rapid Vitesse and waerl. Rapid drops soon after, waerl stays in front for the moment.
Km 112 teamattack from Gambrinus. Finished 24th, 25th and 27th with those 3 and stayed in front of pelotons remains until the end
Km 120 not a teamattack, because the group was less than 15 riders at that time. But Gambrinus still hanging with his 3 riders from before
Km 123 waerl following with Biak and Rosenbauer. Rosenbauer was the rider that was dropped later on. Heynderickx was his only rider to not actively influence the group, so I think he should have dropped him instead
Km 127 same as 120. Group less than 15, this time waerl hanging with his 3 riders from before.

waerl dropped Rosenbauer a few km after that Still finished 14th and definitely benefitted from the teamattack because of that

Hopefully no mistakes here. Quite late already


Km: 127, Steigung: 0
Sandy Rose (Team Toto) attackiert
Takako Mamiya (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Jenna Wolf (Team Toto) geht mit
Erik Biak (waerl) geht mit
Duncan Cleverley (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Martin Lexer (Ansach) geht mit
Sanzhar Tuychiev (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Francois Heynderickx (waerl) geht mit
Georgi Babakin (Gambrinus) geht mit
MayumiCindy Yamamoto (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Tina Rosenbauer (waerl) geht mit


Km: 126, Steigung: 0
Ines Rau (Team Toto) attackiert
Donatas Krisciunas (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Bea Laufer (Team Toto) schafft es nicht auszureissen

Km: 125, Steigung: 0

Km: 124, Steigung: 0
Simon Fischer (Ansach) attackiert
Eric Kelly (waerl) geht mit

Km: 123, Steigung: -1
Ines Rau (Team Toto) attackiert
Donatas Krisciunas (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Takako Mamiya (Pokemonogatari) attackiert
Jenna Wolf (Team Toto) geht mit
Erik Biak (waerl) geht mit
Tina Rosenbauer (waerl) geht mit


Km: 122, Steigung: 0

Km: 121, Steigung: -1

Km: 120, Steigung: -1
Knut Etzelsdorfer (Ansach) attackiert
Dimitri Dorakomova (Gambrinus) geht mit
Junko Ohashi (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Evgeniy Lushnikov (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Bea Laufer (Team Toto) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Bernd Riedler (Ansach) attackiert
Michail Michailowitsch (Gambrinus) geht mit
Taeko Onuki (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Pawel Metschnikow (Gambrinus) geht mit


Km: 119, Steigung: -1

Km: 118, Steigung: -1

Km: 117, Steigung: -2

Km: 116, Steigung: 0

Km: 115, Steigung: -5

Km: 114, Steigung: -3

Km: 113, Steigung: 3
Isaiah Faingaanuku (Rapid Vitesse) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen

Km: 112, Steigung: -1
Knut Etzelsdorfer (Ansach) attackiert
Dimitri Dorakomova (Gambrinus) geht mit
Bea Laufer (Team Toto) geht mit
Junko Ohashi (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Evgeniy Lushnikov (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Bernd Riedler (Ansach) attackiert
Michail Michailowitsch (Gambrinus) geht mit
Taeko Onuki (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Pawel Metschnikow (Gambrinus) geht mit
Isaiah Faingaanuku (Rapid Vitesse) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen


Km: 111, Steigung: 2
Isaiah Faingaanuku (Rapid Vitesse) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen

Km: 110, Steigung: 2
Bernhard Rassinger (Ansach) attackiert
Georgi Babakin (Gambrinus) geht mit
MayumiCindy Yamamoto (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Duncan Cleverley (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit
Bruno Schlaffer (Ansach) attackiert

Km: 109, Steigung: 1

Km: 108, Steigung: 0
Sanzhar Tuychiev (Rapid Vitesse) attackiert
Francois Heynderickx (waerl) geht mit
Jonas Budreika (Rapid Vitesse) attackiert
Jenna Wolf (Team Toto) attackiert
Erik Biak (waerl) geht mit
Sandy Rose (Team Toto) attackiert
Takako Mamiya (Pokemonogatari) geht mit
Tina Rosenbauer (waerl) geht mit
Isaiah Faingaanuku (Rapid Vitesse) geht mit



Racechat can be seen here

Team Toto: crazy lyer this poke
Team Toto: yes rfm, many team attacks here
Team Toto: okay, then georgi is the winner
RideforMoney(FairPlay): looks like funny there :D
Pokemonogatari: AndTakako rode in the group to keep Ansach at distance
Team Toto: so dont tell us stupid things :D
Team Toto: at the first attack from takako-> rose was under 600
Team Toto: at the beginning when you chasing me she rode a few km alone ;-)
Team Toto: she did
Pokemonogatari: Rose
Pokemonogatari: ose never ride 1 single km himself
Team Toto: rose is in front since km1. xou cant have less than 300 ;-)
Pokemonogatari: with less than 300 complcate to have more than 300 more
Team Toto: LOL you have 300 more energy
Rapid Vitesse: i think you know you are favo now
Rapid Vitesse: we'll see
Team Toto: LOL
Pokemonogatari: gw toto you mean
Rapid Vitesse: gw poke/gambri
Pokemonogatari: waerl one of your guys should be in the peloton
Pokemonogatari: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6933
Rapid Vitesse: still 1 too many, taking advantage of the earlier team attack
Pokemonogatari: waerl has one guy too much for example in front
Pokemonogatari: don't remix the rules
Rapid Vitesse: yes, chaotic now, but i have only 4 riders now, so for me it seems ok now
Pokemonogatari: wellI'll just open a thread in fairplay because a lot of team attack and didn't follow all of it
Rapid Vitesse: yes im trying to drop :)
Pokemonogatari: R V and waerl
Pokemonogatari: team attack
Pokemonogatari: team attack
Team Toto: hi
Ansach: hi
waerl: hi
Rapid Vitesse: hi
Pokemonogatari: yop

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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by kunske » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:02 am

I think Tukh did i perfectly.
I see 2 team attacks from wearl and the team attacks from Gambrinus.
Also team attack from Rapid vitesse but he dropped his rider.

So Wearl and Gambrinus did team attacks

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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Joy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:31 pm

kunske wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:02 am
I think Tukh did i perfectly.
I see 2 team attacks from wearl and the team attacks from Gambrinus.
Also team attack from Rapid vitesse but he dropped his rider.

So Wearl and Gambrinus did team attacks
so what if he droped? team attack is team attack...i was warned and fined for team attack even if i droped all the riders within 3km

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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by team fl » Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:39 pm

There is a difference between rule 1 (team attack) and rule 3 (chained team attack) for a reason. Rule 1 involves and "active" breach of rules, while a breach of rule 3 may happen accidentally. So regarding rule 3, which applies here, it is also important how a team/player reacts when it happens. The incident itself - at least according to my understanding - is not yet worth a penalty as long as the team indicates clearly the will to restore an admissible situation without gaining an Advantage out of the breach of rule 3. F.e. example by letting a rider drop back into the group of origin (!) immediatly. So the decision about a possible penalty should always be based on the reaction of the involved team(s) after a breach of rule 3 happend, while a breach of rule 1 is already worth a penalty by itself while its degree should be based on the reaction of the involved team(s) afterwards.
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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:19 pm

FPC is reviewing this case of course.
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Re: team attacks Castiglione de Lago 19h

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:30 pm

Gambrinus
PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF100000, WARNING: YES

waerl
PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF100000, WARNING: NO
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