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Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:52 am

General Rules

5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

Below you have the manager's distinguished opinion (To read from bottom to top)
No one should be a legal expert to figure out the clear violation of No. 5

Among others:
Liquigas-CND -constantly manipulates other managers( in race chat or in game chat,see blow)
-try manipulating admins to remove other managers from playing (demands admins to ban other players,see below)
-often uses inappropriate language (General Rules 2.2. It is recalled to the user that the other players of this play can be minors and that he commits himself to adapt his language and acts with the laws and manners protecting the minors.)
-as a personal problem he posted a private message to mine in a public forum without my consent(without being penalized even though
I asked for it)

My question is whether this community needs it in its own sphere.
Thank you

To read from bottom to top

Liquigas-CND<06:31>: it doesn't really matter ...you will still be punished
Liquigas-CND<06:31>: although I am not sure you will ever understand the difference between a classy and a classless move
Liquigas-CND<06:29>: until you change your mind
Liquigas-CND<06:29>: if you believe that this is the best method to win and progress i ll punish you on a daily basis
Liquigas-CND<06:17>: consequences
Liquigas-CND<06:16>: be ready to suffer the concequences of your stupid actions
Liquigas-CND<06:16>: are you mentally inept to understand that having the best sprinter in the peloton and sending a rider in escape during the same race is a classless move
Liquigas-CND<06:11>: schartner,
.....
Liquigas-CND<20:48>: maybe i want to win the wc with a 50-80 rider
Liquigas-CND<20:48>: the best for my team is what i want
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: of course Luques
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: maybe poke begs liqui to let him win..
Luques<20:47>: as Coro said, do the best for your team
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: poke beats liqui ...is nonsense
Liquigas-CND<20:46>: dont know if that matters
Liquigas-CND<20:46>: they will start in red tempo and will definitely end with 0 energy.
.....
Liquigas-CND<20:29>: sad but true!
Liquigas-CND<20:29>: Yui retired by Liquigas-CND!
Liquigas-CND<20:28>: ha ha ha
Liquigas-CND<20:28>: poor Yui , does not have any chance to br world champion!
.......
Liquigas-CND<20:09>: ?
Liquigas-CND<20:09>: ?@ Luques, when latest I can release a team in case I cannot ride WC
Liquigas-CND<20:08>: @ Pokemon, I dont care abt Italia!
Liquigas-CND<20:07>: this is the reform we need!
Liquigas-CND<20:06>: BTW Luques, to have a better environment get rid of Donkey, JoyRide and FL!
Liquigas-CND<20:05>: Pokemonus, do you want to ride WC with japan?
Liquigas-CND<20:05>: It's up to me!
Liquigas-CND<20:04>: If Liqui decides to give Japan to Pokemonus he does!
Liquigas-CND<20:04>: If Liqui decides to fuck Japan he fucks Japan!
Liquigas-CND<20:03>: I may release Japan!
......
Liquigas-CND<16:22>: but I dont really care what he likes or not!
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: wont like this!
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: poor pokemonus
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: and I may not have time to ride:))
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: I am happy that nobody can ride with Japan!
.......
Liquigas-CND<15:59>: without FL, JOy Ride and pokemons
Liquigas-CND<15:59>: for a clean RSF - without Donkeys!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: soon!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: Liquigas-CND --> FPK Boss!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: worst nightmare!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: always remember that I can become your nightmare!
.....
Liquigas-CND<15:04>: Pokemon or Donkey are not good enough to have priority in chosing the team for WC!
Liquigas-CND<15:03>: I will see If I can ride on Sunday!
Liquigas-CND<15:03>: I dont give a fuck if you open or not a thread
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: is my right to ride or not
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: or whatever team I want
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: it is my right ti take Japan
......
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: Pokemon will be very angry
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: and wont ride
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: blocked Japan
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: correct
...............
Liquigas-CND<12:15>: :)))))))))
Liquigas-CND<12:14>: As leader and King of rsf
Liquigas-CND<12:13>: It is my right!!!
Liquigas-CND<12:13>: Ok ...I will take advantage of priority ... despite of low probability to ride on Sunday
Luques<12:02>: think it was since 2015 they don't have that
Luques<12:01>: Sometime we need also to give that one to morning/afternoon
Liquigas-CND<11:57>: Road Race Elite should be later 20-21 imo
Luques<11:55>: 14.30 is indicative btw, depends on when I start the script
Luques<11:53>: 10 itt WC Elite - 15 WC Road Race Elite - 18 WC U24 ITT - 21 WC U24 Road Race
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: just to see If i am blocking or not a team
Luques<11:52>: if you check the World Champion page you see that on the bottom
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: what hour
Luques<11:52>: Sunday
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: when exactly will be the WC?

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Liquigas-CND » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:40 am

Man Sergiu wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:52 am
General Rules

5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

Below you have the manager's distinguished opinion (To read from bottom to top)
No one should be a legal expert to figure out the clear violation of No. 5

Among others:
Liquigas-CND -constantly manipulates other managers( in race chat or in game chat,see blow)
-try manipulating admins to remove other managers from playing (demands admins to ban other players,see below)
-often uses inappropriate language (General Rules 2.2. It is recalled to the user that the other players of this play can be minors and that he commits himself to adapt his language and acts with the laws and manners protecting the minors.)
-as a personal problem he posted a private message to mine in a public forum without my consent(without being penalized even though
I asked for it)

My question is whether this community needs it in its own sphere.
Thank you

To read from bottom to top

Liquigas-CND<06:31>: it doesn't really matter ...you will still be punished
Liquigas-CND<06:31>: although I am not sure you will ever understand the difference between a classy and a classless move
Liquigas-CND<06:29>: until you change your mind
Liquigas-CND<06:29>: if you believe that this is the best method to win and progress i ll punish you on a daily basis
Liquigas-CND<06:17>: consequences
Liquigas-CND<06:16>: be ready to suffer the concequences of your stupid actions
Liquigas-CND<06:16>: are you mentally inept to understand that having the best sprinter in the peloton and sending a rider in escape during the same race is a classless move
Liquigas-CND<06:11>: schartner,
.....
Liquigas-CND<20:48>: maybe i want to win the wc with a 50-80 rider
Liquigas-CND<20:48>: the best for my team is what i want
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: of course Luques
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: maybe poke begs liqui to let him win..
Luques<20:47>: as Coro said, do the best for your team
Liquigas-CND<20:47>: poke beats liqui ...is nonsense
Liquigas-CND<20:46>: dont know if that matters
Liquigas-CND<20:46>: they will start in red tempo and will definitely end with 0 energy.
.....
Liquigas-CND<20:29>: sad but true!
Liquigas-CND<20:29>: Yui retired by Liquigas-CND!
Liquigas-CND<20:28>: ha ha ha
Liquigas-CND<20:28>: poor Yui , does not have any chance to br world champion!
.......
Liquigas-CND<20:09>: ?
Liquigas-CND<20:09>: ?@ Luques, when latest I can release a team in case I cannot ride WC
Liquigas-CND<20:08>: @ Pokemon, I dont care abt Italia!
Liquigas-CND<20:07>: this is the reform we need!
Liquigas-CND<20:06>: BTW Luques, to have a better environment get rid of Donkey, JoyRide and FL!
Liquigas-CND<20:05>: Pokemonus, do you want to ride WC with japan?
Liquigas-CND<20:05>: It's up to me!
Liquigas-CND<20:04>: If Liqui decides to give Japan to Pokemonus he does!
Liquigas-CND<20:04>: If Liqui decides to fuck Japan he fucks Japan!
Liquigas-CND<20:03>: I may release Japan!
......
Liquigas-CND<16:22>: but I dont really care what he likes or not!
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: wont like this!
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: poor pokemonus
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: and I may not have time to ride:))
Liquigas-CND<16:21>: I am happy that nobody can ride with Japan!
.......
Liquigas-CND<15:59>: without FL, JOy Ride and pokemons
Liquigas-CND<15:59>: for a clean RSF - without Donkeys!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: soon!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: Liquigas-CND --> FPK Boss!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: worst nightmare!
Liquigas-CND<15:58>: always remember that I can become your nightmare!
.....
Liquigas-CND<15:04>: Pokemon or Donkey are not good enough to have priority in chosing the team for WC!
Liquigas-CND<15:03>: I will see If I can ride on Sunday!
Liquigas-CND<15:03>: I dont give a fuck if you open or not a thread
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: is my right to ride or not
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: or whatever team I want
Liquigas-CND<15:02>: it is my right ti take Japan
......
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: Pokemon will be very angry
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: and wont ride
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: blocked Japan
Liquigas-CND<14:48>: correct
...............
Liquigas-CND<12:15>: :)))))))))
Liquigas-CND<12:14>: As leader and King of rsf
Liquigas-CND<12:13>: It is my right!!!
Liquigas-CND<12:13>: Ok ...I will take advantage of priority ... despite of low probability to ride on Sunday
Luques<12:02>: think it was since 2015 they don't have that
Luques<12:01>: Sometime we need also to give that one to morning/afternoon
Liquigas-CND<11:57>: Road Race Elite should be later 20-21 imo
Luques<11:55>: 14.30 is indicative btw, depends on when I start the script
Luques<11:53>: 10 itt WC Elite - 15 WC Road Race Elite - 18 WC U24 ITT - 21 WC U24 Road Race
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: just to see If i am blocking or not a team
Luques<11:52>: if you check the World Champion page you see that on the bottom
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: what hour
Luques<11:52>: Sunday
Liquigas-CND<11:52>: when exactly will be the WC?
1. Plenty of time to decide if I ride or not WC, blocking a team for couple of hours with 2-3 days before the race isn't against any rule!
It is my right to use the priority I have being the leader if the 1st Div.
Correct, Pokemon and Donkey are not good enough to choose before me, the Div 1 ranking shows that.

2. Donkey started to threaten me to open a thread on fairplay section of the forum for choosing a team and not being sure if I have time to ride or not!
A manager threatening me without reasons deserves to be banned imo.
A manager begging me to let him win deserves to be banned imo.
And finally a manager riding dirty deserves to be banned.

It is my right to have an opinion about cleaning the RSF environment!

3. Regarding the discussion with Poke, of course as a manager of a team I have the right to make the strategy, so riding for a 50-80 may be a good strategy.

4. Regarding my messages for Schartner, he deserved it cause he is a classless manager imo.
It is my right to punish him...maybe by winning all the races against him.

As for the PM posted you already paid a fine JoyRide for your attempt to make an unrealistic arrangement. Forget about it!!!

Is clear that Joy wants revenge after my posts for his attempt to make unrealistic arrangement and his team attacks.
Unfortunately he doesn't see the reasons of my posts:
A. by posting about your team attacks I am trying to learn you the rules, it;s obvious that you have no clue since you wrote that you saw and attacked with 3 riders at the same km and nothing happened, nobody reported it.
B. Posting about your attempt to make an unrealistic arrangements I tried to make you understand that you need to fight for victories not to send messages asking someone to let you win.

This is the reason why I am kindly asking FPK members to investigate and maybe fine Joy for posting in fairplay section only to feed his desire for revenge and without having a grounded reason.
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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by luques » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am

As far as I know the rule 5 was more intended against bugusers, who tried to change the game behaviour.

But let's see what the fpk says :)

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:12 am

luques wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am
As far as I know the rule 5 was more intended against bugusers, who tried to change the game behaviour.

But let's see what the fpk says :)
we have a special rule against bugusers rule 6
rule 5 is about game itself,if i understand it correctly
General Rules


1. The user commits himself not infringing the laws of his country.

2. It is recalled to the user that the other players of this play can be minors and that he commits himself to adapt his language and acts with the laws and manners protecting the minors.

3. The user commits himself not to employ terms or names with racist, pornographic, sexists connotations or other terms going towards manners usual.

4. It is prohibited to create several accounts of play. Multiaccounts will be dissolved.

5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

6. The user commits himself not to use possible bugs.

7. The user declares himself in agreement with the rules of fair play (s. Instructions).

8. Any Infringement to these rules could be sanctioned by a prohibition of play.

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by auxilium torino » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:11 am

we have a special rule against bugusers rule 6
rule 5 is about game itself,if i understand it correctly
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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by luques » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:48 am

Explained myself badly with the example of the buguser. Rule 5 should be intended for those who manipulate the game, not the players (otherwise there would be a topic opened daily).

So costantly manipulates other managers isn't much of help.

Be sure that I am not manipulated by Liquigas, if the admins would listen every request of ban of other players only the admins would play.

I don't recall Liquigas using inappropriate language/insulting, at least recently.

Even if I don't like that too to share a PM publicly (he could have done it with FPK member), still nothing wrong.

I understand he provokes, and this can be quite boring, but imo you could simply ignore what he says.

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:17 am

luques wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:48 am
Explained myself badly with the example of the buguser. Rule 5 should be intended for those who manipulate the game, not the players (otherwise there would be a topic opened daily).

So costantly manipulates other managers isn't much of help.

Be sure that I am not manipulated by Liquigas, if the admins would listen every request of ban of other players only the admins would play.

I don't recall Liquigas using inappropriate language/insulting, at least recently.

Even if I don't like that too to share a PM publicly (he could have done it with FPK member), still nothing wrong.

I understand he provokes, and this can be quite boring, but imo you could simply ignore what he says.
Manipulating directly a game is by hacking,not the case ,you might wanna explain to us what does the indirectly meaning of manipulating the game if not Liqui conduct by manipulating other managers,wich u say isn't much of help, i say he tryes blocking them to play how they whant or finding the pleasure to play.
1 direct manipulating is he said he will be FPK boss soon (any FPK/admins reacted) and prob he only wants to create panic for some players from this community

I can garanty you that he uses inapropiate/insulting language every day (i know you cant follow non stop the game you have a private life) and will bring updates as prove :)

i want to ignore him thats why i said many times game needs a ignore buttom so you can ignore a player of what he says(in races you can react from tactics against him no need to read his sh!ts)still i log in (as many others) everyday read the chat/forum and constatly see the conduct of this guy(or whatever he is)

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:01 am

I don't recall Liquigas using inappropriate language/insulting, at least recently.

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by IDF » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 am

Just one thing..
Why you (i mean not only you Joy but a lot of people) continue to give him attention?

Let him.talk alone and all will be fine..
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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:01 am

UPDATE


General Rules
6. The user commits himself not to use possible bugs.
he used bugs and got fined + WARNING still he violates 5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

Liquigas-CND<09:47>: how come FPC warns the KING of RSF ? really unbelievable?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: what they can do to the KING?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: What represents this warning received from FPC? \
Liquigas-CND<09:44>: and armorique was not fined!
Liquigas-CND<09:43>: omg huge fine!!!

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Liquigas-CND » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:10 am

Joy - pathetic as usually, tries to influence the the FPC to ban/fine me.

I was astonished, I had the right to show how surprised I was.

I dont know what represents this warning and what can happen to a manager when he gets an warning cause I don't know the concequences.

Poor Joy - pathetic as usually, tries to influence the the FPC to ban/fine me.

Thanks,

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Joy:
Man Sergiu wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:01 am
UPDATE


General Rules
6. The user commits himself not to use possible bugs.
he used bugs and got fined + WARNING still he violates 5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

Liquigas-CND<09:47>: how come FPC warns the KING of RSF ? really unbelievable?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: what they can do to the KING?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: What represents this warning received from FPC? \
Liquigas-CND<09:44>: and armorique was not fined!
Liquigas-CND<09:43>: omg huge fine!!!
Again, manipulate the game, not the players.

That would be to make some sort of script that hacks the game and changes all female names to male names. (something I would approve of, but would be manipulating the game)
Or make a script that diminishes the energy consumption of his riders by 50%. Or makes a script that puts his form at +10, so from 95 to 110. Or make a script that randomly makes Joy riders attack.
Those would fall under rule 5, not manipulating managers. Which actually LiqLiq isn't doing much compared to others.

Not sure what the difference between manipulating directly or indirectly is, since my programming skills are a bit below my sprinting skills.... but I guess it's the difference between accessing the game script directly, and do stuff there, and indirectly, with some sort of separate running program. Certainly not telling people that he will be head of the fairness committee or that he thinks he's the KING of RSF.
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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Joy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:52 pm
Joy:
Man Sergiu wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:01 am
UPDATE


General Rules
6. The user commits himself not to use possible bugs.
he used bugs and got fined + WARNING still he violates 5. The user commits himself not to manipulate directly or indirectly the game.

Liquigas-CND<09:47>: how come FPC warns the KING of RSF ? really unbelievable?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: what they can do to the KING?
Liquigas-CND<09:47>: What represents this warning received from FPC? \
Liquigas-CND<09:44>: and armorique was not fined!
Liquigas-CND<09:43>: omg huge fine!!!
Again, manipulate the game, not the players.

That would be to make some sort of script that hacks the game and changes all female names to male names. (something I would approve of, but would be manipulating the game)
Or make a script that diminishes the energy consumption of his riders by 50%. Or makes a script that puts his form at +10, so from 95 to 110. Or make a script that randomly makes Joy riders attack.
Those would fall under rule 5, not manipulating managers. Which actually LiqLiq isn't doing much compared to others.

Not sure what the difference between manipulating directly or indirectly is, since my programming skills are a bit below my sprinting skills.... but I guess it's the difference between accessing the game script directly, and do stuff there, and indirectly, with some sort of separate running program. Certainly not telling people that he will be head of the fairness committee or that he thinks he's the KING of RSF.
What if a new player read that ? What will he understand? Do the comunity want this?

And from my point of view: game has rules to follow ,every player has to follow those rules(game rules fair play rules) so we have admins and FPC that has to create a proper enviroment for every player in this game.Creating this aura around him (himself by posting all these nonsenses and by comunity by allowing this) dont help the game i belive and it is indirectly manipulating the game at least for that new player that just inscribed in game read the chat.
How can a manager make fun of FPC(see the chat) or admins(when he threatened Luques that he has nothing against Liqui) and theyr actions? Even if he a good and experienced manager it has to be some limits so the game has the proper enviroment for any player.I might be wrong,still it is my humble opinion.

So i ask FPK/admins for the state of play in this case(at least an opinion about it)

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Re: Liquigas-CND conduct

Post by Liquigas-CND » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:12 pm

Dear all,

Please allow me to write a polite and decent answer to Joy although he deserves to be ignored by everybody here because it is clear that he is sad, angry and is only looking for revenge.

1. Liquigas-CND complies with rules.
2. In my opinion I am the King of RSF and I have the right to write in the chat or forum that I am the king , I am the best manager or other similar affirmations because I truly believe. I understand Joy wants to take me the freedom to write my opnions, affirmations which is not at all a democratic measure and I consider this an absurdity. RSF is not North Korea!
3. I don't "make fun" of FPC or admins. I only asked what is the consequence of that warning, cause I dont know.
4. What Joy intended to say I dont understand?
qte
How can a manager make fun of FPC(see the chat) or admins(when he threatened Luques that he has nothing against Liqui) and theyr actions?
unqte

I think this Joy should stop making ungrounded accusations and this way making the FPC, admins or others to waste their time responding him.

Thank You,
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