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Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:26 pm

TeamSWE. scorpsche in the forum. There are others guilty of it too, they just don't do it as blatantly and obviously as him.

If I was in the FPC I probably wouldn't fine him for it either, BUT an unofficial warning, one that doesn't show up ingame and doesn't carry the stupid 10k for it, IMO is in order.

Everybody sometimes gets something wrong. Be it a fact, be it somebody else's opinion, including me. But SWE is taking this to another level. In 4 days we have 3 cases of SWE just claiming stuff that is demonstrably wrong.
scorpsche wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:58 pm
Small thing to add here: "Big Donkey<16:51>: You don't like Poke: coorrect" => Big Donkey just confirmed the reason in chat why this baseless post was opened.
Wrong. Read the full exchange in the AGF thread. Ah no, I'll give you the short version with relevant parts.
TeamSWE<16:42>: You don't like Poke, that's why you open a fp thread against him which is baseless.
Big Donkey<16:51>: You don't like Poke: coorrect
Big Donkey<16:52>: hat's why you open a fp thread against him which is baseless. First part wrong, second part has nothing to do with my opinion. It's yours, you were asked to write about mine.

His claim is demonstrably wrong.

In the Big Donkey Insult thread:
scorpsche wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:52 pm
...something to add:
It seems one reason why this topic doesn't move forward is also the understanding of at least one fpc member of what is an insult and what is appropriate.

Let me post here the relevant part of the chat of today's KRK - Cabar 15h (read from bottom).
Please go ahead to write if something is out of context or not.
But Big Donkey not being fined for his provoking & disrespectful attitude will be always a problem - kind that in mind.

"Team FL: You just twisted my words as the Big Donkey accused you of doing it with his words before.
Team FL: So I don't say it's okay to insult somebody.
TeamSWE: Then I wonder if it is a) a good idea to have the rules or b) you are a part of fpc
Team FL: And you get it wrong: I say it's not an insult :)
Team FL: I don't see any.
Team FL: Who is a FC member here?
TeamSWE: If you as fpc member say it is ok to insult someone
Team FL: Any ideas?
Team FL: But in general you're right. We should rather write about the race. So what do we do in front?
Team FL: Ah, isn't it more fun like this? :)
Team FL: I rather have these words thrown around than just ignore your behaviour silently and accepting it as part of this game's "culture.".
TeamSWE: Say someone from fpc...nice one
Big Donkey: Too slow again.
Big Donkey: Dammit
Big Donkey: If it's used correctly, like in this case.
Team FL: yours.
TeamSWE: Then explain one case where it is an improvement
Team FL: This is not exactly a simple yes or no question. The circumstances are important.
Team FL: say.
Team FL: It depends I would asy.
Team FL: Haha
TeamSWE: Do you think it is an improvement for a community culture to throw these words at each other: yes or no?

Third from his newest thread, 5 Italians
Again, he got it wrong.
scorpsche wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:05 pm
luques wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:58 pm
FPK needs some time to deliver penalties
Oh well :roll: I saw stuff opened 2016/17 ...is this serious?
If that is the speed of FPC...sorry but do we need FPC in the current format?

Oh and on the other hand FPC seems quiet fast in case of JoyRide and AGF...
No case was opened in the case of AGF.
Unless he meant, fast in not opening a case, which I doubt... again, what is he trying to achieve? SImple lack of intelligence or bad faith? I don't know, but IMO this kind of distortion on this level should not be tolerated. Tell the guy to check that his stuff is correct before he posts it.
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Post by scorpsche » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:36 pm

Master of "Nebelkerzen zünden" ...just out of curiosity:
Which rule do you claim I should have violated?
I'm still waiting for FPC opening the case for your ongoing insults and baseless accusations...
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by auxilium torino » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:06 am

you speak about distortion!
To understand, i was in peloton, some TeamSWE riders was in escape,p but got catched from peloton ( coroncina ride in peloton as favo)!
Was a flat stage with max.5% hill, and TeamSWE riding for Pelle (86 59 50); after peloton catch the escape, start a new attac with 4 or 5 active teams ( coroncina and CC and some more ), and after 1 or 2 km TeamSWE attac too, and i was follow him.
Team Swe catch the front group an a 5%, but siebed himself because Pelle was helping the flat rider, my rider still in front in escape group...

Coroncina: no, GW to you :D
Coroncina: amh, sorry, is not SWE the winner?
TeamSWE: gw himself?
Coroncina: gw
CircleCycle: gw
Gipfelstuermer: gw
TeamSWE: Platini = platt
Gipfelstuermer: Platini very patient
TeamSWE: plz just win
CircleCycle: nobody from 150?
TeamSWE: attention
TeamSWE: Strange how Aux is magically in front always...ha?
TeamSWE: Hoppla

Gipfelstuermer: haha, not that easy
TeamSWE: Gipfel just win plz
TeamSWE: you mix up
Coroncina: but you say it, strange
TeamSWE: I'm not
Coroncina: you say when you start this game you are italian
TeamSWE: > EN
Coroncina: SWE, nessun commento oggi?, ti e´rimasto di traverso?
TeamSWE: bravo gipfel
Gipfelstuermer: maybe. you can tell after the race ^^
TeamSWE: u think too much ;)
Gipfelstuermer: sorry, still think it's impossible
TeamSWE: so gipfel in or not?
Auxilium Torino: te lo dicevo, questo fa la morale come i politici
Coroncina: :)
TeamSWE: who say pelle is my favo?
Auxilium Torino: information to the big experte in this race, is not a mountain stage, riding with pelle as captain is sensless
Gipfelstuermer: no, not giving up
TeamSWE: So what's your plan then Gipfel? Just give up, do nothing?
TeamSWE: we are 8
TeamSWE: cmon
Gipfelstuermer: impossible unfortunately
TeamSWE: let's see in the flat
TeamSWE: sarezzi + genovese
TeamSWE: 2nd rider
TeamSWE: so then let's start now
Gipfelstuermer: seems impossible vs. Coro
TeamSWE: gipfel let's work together later if peloton is chasing hard?
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by scorpsche » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:30 am

Better focus on your next Italian "collaboration".

Maybe I'm tempted otherwise to open a post about your numerous insults.

But sure you find a way to influence Luques in Skype, right?
auxilium torino wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:06 am
you speak about distortion!
To understand, i was in peloton, some TeamSWE riders was in escape,p but got catched from peloton ( coroncina ride in peloton as favo)!
Was a flat stage with max.5% hill, and TeamSWE riding for Pelle (86 59 50); after peloton catch the escape, start a new attac with 4 or 5 active teams ( coroncina and CC and some more ), and after 1 or 2 km TeamSWE attac too, and i was follow him.
Team Swe catch the front group an a 5%, but siebed himself because Pelle was helping the flat rider, my rider still in front in escape group...

Coroncina: no, GW to you :D
Coroncina: amh, sorry, is not SWE the winner?
TeamSWE: gw himself?
Coroncina: gw
CircleCycle: gw
Gipfelstuermer: gw
TeamSWE: Platini = platt
Gipfelstuermer: Platini very patient
TeamSWE: plz just win
CircleCycle: nobody from 150?
TeamSWE: attention
TeamSWE: Strange how Aux is magically in front always...ha?
TeamSWE: Hoppla

Gipfelstuermer: haha, not that easy
TeamSWE: Gipfel just win plz
TeamSWE: you mix up
Coroncina: but you say it, strange
TeamSWE: I'm not
Coroncina: you say when you start this game you are italian
TeamSWE: > EN
Coroncina: SWE, nessun commento oggi?, ti e´rimasto di traverso?
TeamSWE: bravo gipfel
Gipfelstuermer: maybe. you can tell after the race ^^
TeamSWE: u think too much ;)
Gipfelstuermer: sorry, still think it's impossible
TeamSWE: so gipfel in or not?
Auxilium Torino: te lo dicevo, questo fa la morale come i politici
Coroncina: :)
TeamSWE: who say pelle is my favo?
Auxilium Torino: information to the big experte in this race, is not a mountain stage, riding with pelle as captain is sensless
Gipfelstuermer: no, not giving up
TeamSWE: So what's your plan then Gipfel? Just give up, do nothing?
TeamSWE: we are 8
TeamSWE: cmon
Gipfelstuermer: impossible unfortunately
TeamSWE: let's see in the flat
TeamSWE: sarezzi + genovese
TeamSWE: 2nd rider
TeamSWE: so then let's start now
Gipfelstuermer: seems impossible vs. Coro
TeamSWE: gipfel let's work together later if peloton is chasing hard?
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by auxilium torino » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:25 am

scorpsche wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:30 am
Better focus on your next Italian "collaboration".

Maybe I'm tempted otherwise to open a post about your numerous insults.

But sure you find a way to influence Luques in Skype, right?
auxilium torino wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:06 am
you speak about distortion!
To understand, i was in peloton, some TeamSWE riders was in escape,p but got catched from peloton ( coroncina ride in peloton as favo)!
Was a flat stage with max.5% hill, and TeamSWE riding for Pelle (86 59 50); after peloton catch the escape, start a new attac with 4 or 5 active teams ( coroncina and CC and some more ), and after 1 or 2 km TeamSWE attac too, and i was follow him.
Team Swe catch the front group an a 5%, but siebed himself because Pelle was helping the flat rider, my rider still in front in escape group...

Coroncina: no, GW to you :D
Coroncina: amh, sorry, is not SWE the winner?
TeamSWE: gw himself?
Coroncina: gw
CircleCycle: gw
Gipfelstuermer: gw
TeamSWE: Platini = platt
Gipfelstuermer: Platini very patient
TeamSWE: plz just win
CircleCycle: nobody from 150?
TeamSWE: attention
TeamSWE: Strange how Aux is magically in front always...ha?
TeamSWE: Hoppla

Gipfelstuermer: haha, not that easy
TeamSWE: Gipfel just win plz
TeamSWE: you mix up
Coroncina: but you say it, strange
TeamSWE: I'm not
Coroncina: you say when you start this game you are italian
TeamSWE: > EN
Coroncina: SWE, nessun commento oggi?, ti e´rimasto di traverso?
TeamSWE: bravo gipfel
Gipfelstuermer: maybe. you can tell after the race ^^
TeamSWE: u think too much ;)
Gipfelstuermer: sorry, still think it's impossible
TeamSWE: so gipfel in or not?
Auxilium Torino: te lo dicevo, questo fa la morale come i politici
Coroncina: :)
TeamSWE: who say pelle is my favo?
Auxilium Torino: information to the big experte in this race, is not a mountain stage, riding with pelle as captain is sensless
Gipfelstuermer: no, not giving up
TeamSWE: So what's your plan then Gipfel? Just give up, do nothing?
TeamSWE: we are 8
TeamSWE: cmon
Gipfelstuermer: impossible unfortunately
TeamSWE: let's see in the flat
TeamSWE: sarezzi + genovese
TeamSWE: 2nd rider
TeamSWE: so then let's start now
Gipfelstuermer: seems impossible vs. Coro
TeamSWE: gipfel let's work together later if peloton is chasing hard?
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Post by scorpsche » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:29 am

You really ask for it Mr. Platini?
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Post by auxilium torino » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:42 am

yes, i ask really, you ride for me, like the best Guciuzuza, and you speak about collusion....
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by superdragoes » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:18 am

:D

This is simple...
1)Italian guys play together since ever I play this game. Is unfair.
2) staff of c4f don't do nothing because they have 1 member that is Italian and cooperate with "Italian group" . Name is Luques.
3) is disgusting...
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Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:24 am

Wrong thread.
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by scorpsche » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:56 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:24 am
Wrong thread.
This thread can be closed anyway since its only purpose is to troll me.
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Post by team fl » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:57 am

scorpsche wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:56 am
Robyklebt wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:24 am
Wrong thread.
This thread can be closed anyway since its only purpose is to troll me.
You've just shown why this thread is legit...
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Post by luques » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:14 am

So I add myself to the post as it seems I was brought in.

And this post is clearly legit, since you can't just throw accusations without any proof.

So let's start:
Interesting silence regarding this post.

Let's recap what happened:
1. Team superdragoes opens a post where he complains about collusion between Coro & Aux
2. Instead of just being silent or trying to defend Coro replies in the following: "ah yes we did it but look there are a lots of multi teams". This is called "whataboutism" but moreover important is he confessed long time ago that he and Aux "work" together. "work together" as I have shown my other thread is violating 2 fp rules.
3. Immediately Luques replied to prevent to talk Coro himself more into trouble.
4. FPC never got active here.

You can say it's an old story. In opinion it just makes things worse since:
1. Never sth. was done.
2. The collusion continues until present stage races.
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5177#p97886

1) Superdragoes complained almost every night and Coro & Aux as well.
2) Coro DOESN'T say in any moment "yes we did it", so again distortion... and you are also quoting it.
3) Luques was member of FPK so entered everytime there was a case open (or Huns as well), and basically I just attacked both since both were just accusing without a single proof.
And actually You already did it... somehow...

By the way I don't see the case, they are multi? No. They did a team attack? Doesn't seem so.

Seems like the topic about the strange noobs, accusing just for accusing.
As you see, first I attack Coro, denigrating his idea of walls of strange noobs. Then I start to understand if the accusations are based on something, third just summarize what I am saying also here, you can't accuse without any proof just because you want...

1. Never sth. was done. -> obviously not. There is no proof at all what should have been done? Also RFM explained you pretty well the concept.

So total misrepresentation of the reality.

Let's go with the second part:
Ok let me drop one other piece for the puzzle (I can see the picture already clear, but looks others still pretend to be blind).

As mentioned already one of the way this connection works is outside chat communication.
You barely find communication in race chat (where it belongs) but a lots of combined actions.

It is confirmed that Aux himself called a long time ago to connect Italian teams via Skype:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1431&p=96173#p96173

It is also confirmed that there is a Skype group:
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5154&p=96722&hilit=skype#p96722

Also confirmed that Luques and Aux are connected in Skype:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5316&p=95137&hilit=skype#p95137

Maybe the name "Skype Italia" comes from that connection - who knows?
I can confirm you without watching 3 posts, and I can also tell you that, that group is practically dead as they all write on FB :D

Oh and I can tell you that I have also the contact of Poke and RFM on Skype (and thanks god as they give me often lots of useful reports as I can't be on the game 24h..).
And I have also Facebook! Pretty sure I have Chense and Hunsi there!

And everybody of the development team has my skype account!
And everybody can send me a Private Message on the forum!

As you see I am connected with everybody! Conspiracy!

And even if the topic isn't about him (too lazy to open a new one just for him, he doesn't deserve all that attention)
This is simple...
1)Italian guys play together since ever I play this game. Is unfair.
2) staff of c4f don't do nothing because...
3) is disgusting...
1) I never "played together" with other italians since I play this game.
2) Luques is not in FPK anymore. So again lying. Show me proofs of cooperation, if you have.
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Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:37 pm

TeamSWE in the chat just confirmed that he is indeed a multi.
(no no, he didn't, he simply refused to answer the question, but with this troll's logic, it's confirmation
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Post by Goldberg Cycling » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:34 pm

Just a little idea to throw in but TeamSWE obviously has a strong dislike for the Italians but he has clear support to want French collusion.

TeamSWE<21:29>: #AGF aller aller ;)

This was a message put in the spectator chat of 21h Circuit du Mont Caillouteux.

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Post by Pokemon Club » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:59 am

Goldberg Cycling wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:34 pm
Just a little idea to throw in but TeamSWE obviously has a strong dislike for the Italians but he has clear support to want French collusion.

TeamSWE<21:29>: #AGF aller aller ;)

This was a message put in the spectator chat of 21h Circuit du Mont Caillouteux.
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Post by Liquigas-CND » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:05 pm

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Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:06 pm

Wrong thread.
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:35 pm

From the Italian thread.
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5599&p=99317#p99317

SWE keeps doing it, and I ask again. Is such behavior really acceptable.
scorpsche wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:05 pm


You and other 2-3 players are one of the reasons why my initial thread was closed.


It takes 2 hours to open an investigation non-existent flooding of chat but it's not possible to start an investigation after 6 months with ca. 10 teams saying at least there is something.
2 more examples. There's a few other doubtful claims in that same post, but let's stick with the clear ones. So cut the rest of the post.

First example:
"You" in this case is High Flyer.... the idea that the thread was close because of him, and 2-3 other players is preposterous. It was closed because 3 teams had been VPN banned. Thread close, "as it looks a bit messy", and " Feel free to open others just related to the race, team involved and so on if something happens again."

To read from that, that High Flyer was one of the reason for the thread closure needs special skills.
Sorry, at some point these constant distortions of reality become simply insulting.

Second one,
"non-existent" the key. Non-existent? What the fuck? Again absolutely wrong. And insulting again. To the thread opener, Luques, he basically accuses him of lying, and to the FPC who opened a case based on a lie. According to SWE.
A thread was opened, a case opened, we haven't heard anything about it since. Luques demanded a warning, we have no idea if that's what superdragoes has gotten. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. We'll see.
But to claim that the issue was non-existent? Why the lie?

So, I ask again, is this really acceptable? Isn't it time to do something against these constant lies, false accusations, libelous claims?
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by scorpsche » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:19 pm

Tbh I still don't get the fp rule you referring for this lousy case.
As we see I was right about the gang and the constant distractions didn't help to cover it.
So who was misrepresenting what? :roll:

As long as you take text pieces here and there just to troll in fp section - fine go ahead.
But don't expect me to answer you seriously.

"Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts" + trolling could probably the motto of your (rsf) life.
If your goal is to be the one and only troll in this game - I won't interfer don't worry.

Beside that please someone close this thread and treat the important violations in this game.
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:12 pm

scorpsche wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:52 pm
Let's give this a little up since small 1 or 2 liners now should be "big insults"...
Another lie, distortion, misrepresentation.
Small 1 or 2 liners now should be big insults, who claimed that and where?
Of course SWE himself has been claiming that in countless "I'm a poor victim thread since forever", but other than him?

Time to take action against dishonesty I think.
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by scorpsche » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:17 pm

"Take action" means continue to bully & insult me?
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:29 pm

And it goes on:
TeamSWE<13:41>: you removed my posts
Luques<13:41>: 2 are the things, or you don't understand my English which isn't perfect I agree, or you are dishonest
Luques<13:41>: you say I am defending FL
Luques<13:40>: in a topic where I actually say that for me it isn't an insult "as the bar insult here is higher"
TeamSWE<13:39>: mean*
TeamSWE<13:39>: yes pretend to be clueless but you know exactly what i mena
Luques<13:39>: or my English is really bad
Luques<13:39>: you have serious comprehension problems
Luques<13:39>: ?
TeamSWE<13:38>: not for no reason obv
TeamSWE<13:38>: why you think berryberry wrote this?
TeamSWE<13:38>: on the other hand is so dramatic if others are annoyed by your race chat
TeamSWE<13:37>: now joy as well
TeamSWE<13:37>: donkey started with the "flush" bullying and you, fl hopped on it
Luques<13:37>: curious to see the argumentation against Joy as well
Luques<13:36>: write the post
Luques<13:36>: ?
TeamSWE<13:33>: 2.) fl is super sensitive of 2 comments of berryberry => luques rightaway try to find arguments pro fl
TeamSWE<13:32>: even ide mentioned 3(!) other open insult thread regarding donkey
TeamSWE<13:32>: 1.) donkey case: luques preventing an investigation
Bolded the problems
1. How did Luques prevent an investigation? Is SWE able to show the proof? Or at least the evidence? No... it's the usual distortion.
On 2. See the green answer by Luques above. As Luques says, serious comprehension problems or dishonest. Third option, he meant that deleting his post(s) (that were indeed offtopic) was protecting FL.
Third bolded part, again, any evidence or proof that "it's so dramatic if others are annoyed by your race chat"? So dramatic? From what posts or comments does he infer that?

One last sentence:

TeamSWE<15:17>: i think it should not be too much to ask about a little respect for everyone, in races or in chat. no insults, no provocation. teasing is ok if the counter-part is ok with it

Exactly. But with his contant distortions, lies and mispresentations SWE himself is clearly showing ZERO respect. Stop all these lies and misrepresentations, if Luques says A, everybody can read it in the thread, claiming he said B doesn't help.
And read the other instances presented in this thread.
Is the FPC really ok with this level of dishonesty?
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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by team fl » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:38 pm

I just wonder where I hopped on the "flush" thing.
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Re: Constant distortions, misrepresentation of others opinions and of facts.

Post by scorpsche » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Sorry but this whole thread is just a trolling from donkey to distract from his very own insults.
I won't answer any of the baseless claims here.
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