Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:13 am

fantasticos wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:10 am
well it looks like the evening is a alliance from Italian teams against ptt :)
But it's nothing new tbh, just a never ending love story :)
Except today it is not only vs. ptt.
Basically "normal" riding teams have a big disadvantage (at least if the connection manages to utilize their brains...).
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:15 am

Please find in the screenshot below the race history of the connection of October so far in a nutshell.
Almost every indicients and unrealistic arrangements + lack of separation of private and RSF.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by olmania » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:28 pm

olmania wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:38 pm
Please, edit your posts to make them understandable in the appropriate language of this part of the forum : English language.
Not only ignoring it; wrote one more post in italian.

You still can translate it, if you want to avoid the next punishment.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by CircleCycle » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am

THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by auxilium torino » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:28 am

I follow a bit of the race, and what i see is defferent of CC version!
This lie is really a bad actitude, and i think is time that the fairplay comitee make a step to close it!
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:01 am

auxilium torino wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:28 am
I follow a bit of the race, and what i see is defferent of CC version!
This lie is really a bad actitude, and i think is time that the fairplay comitee make a step to close it!
Of course, your opinion is the most trustable in that matter :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by Golden State Team » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:46 pm

CircleCycle wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am
THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.
I rode the race as well and if FPK has some questions I'm happy to answer them.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by luques » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 pm

Golden State Team wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:46 pm
CircleCycle wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am
THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.
I rode the race as well and if FPK has some questions I'm happy to answer them.
Don't worry, if you want to say something you are free, but you are not investigated or whatsoever.
Just sorry that you ended in a shitty race ;)

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:27 pm

luques wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 pm
Golden State Team wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:46 pm
CircleCycle wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am
THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.
I rode the race as well and if FPK has some questions I'm happy to answer them.
Don't worry, if you want to say something you are free, but you are not investigated or whatsoever.
Just sorry that you ended in a shitty race ;)
Things like this happen if other things letting been done for days, weeks, months...
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by Golden State Team » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:31 pm

luques wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 pm
Golden State Team wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:46 pm
CircleCycle wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am
THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.
I rode the race as well and if FPK has some questions I'm happy to answer them.
Don't worry, if you want to say something you are free, but you are not investigated or whatsoever.
Just sorry that you ended in a shitty race ;)
No problem. Tbh, the rce wasn't too bad at all, just the conversation was. I am happy with a top10 result for my rider. I don't play for winning (Coro made his jokes about my stats), just for joy.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:38 am

Time for some facts...

Connection exploit in co-work in Turkey Tour 22h.

Involved teams: Skype Italia, Team Fedex (listed before)

What happened?
Last 2 stages single 90 sprinter managed to beat 80-93-93 train.
Guess who? right, both teams above.
One stage and 2 random teams? Can happen.
1 experienced sprinter team doing the same thing in 2 stages in row?
Collusion no confusion that's the only conclusion!

Screenshot of the whole sprint (stage 6) attached.
If too small I can give FPC read access to a Spreadsheet where it is zoomable.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by auxilium torino » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:46 pm

And? amateurteam is italian?
What is the big proof now? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by Coroncina2 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:55 pm

luques wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:15 pm
Golden State Team wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:46 pm
CircleCycle wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 am
THe fun continues. Coro + Ciclista at Lombardia 23h
Had to insult them, both are idiots :)

as for the race. just the usual thing, in the end Coro let Ciclista Astense win.
I rode the race as well and if FPK has some questions I'm happy to answer them.
Don't worry, if you want to say something you are free, but you are not investigated or whatsoever.
Just sorry that you ended in a shitty race ;)
I'm agree with you Luques! It was a shitty race.

CC was co-favo with me I ask for cooperation but he just play on - off game saing that he was playing at phone. If you play with app you can set tempo or just write in forum? Cooperation would have mean put one in gree to control 4 riders in front with 15 min.. :?

Astense was here too and try to save his race with a nice climber so he put one in green but he wouldn't work alone all race so he wrote somethig like " I will attack if no one help". So I follow him to avoid work for CC alone.

Golden State Team (with only a classic useless for last kms) didn't follow or attack but decide to work in peloton with CC off line :?
When GST finish his job CC come online and work.
Last kms was a bit shitt too. I sieb with a 86 and I stay in front with my 80 74 flat + 88 61 CC and 85 56 Astense. I try to attack at -1 % with 80 74 but all climbers follow me!!! So I try to save race and control for sprint (my 58 CC 52 Astense 53 or somethig like this).
MS start with me in front CC in my wheels and Astense on CC. So I know that only Astense (no one on his wheels ) should have try to anticipate to win or make better than 3rd, so I put follow on him. I CONTROL IT 7 TIMES IF SETTING WAS UPLOADED BUT WHEN ASTENSE SPRINT MY RIDE FOLLOW CC AND I WAS FUCKED.

Now tell me why I should let win Astense monument classic ??? I never won a monument !!! I lose Lombardia just for a STUPID BUG ON THIS SHITT MS SYSTEM.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:52 pm

TEam SWE in the chat just admitted that he doesn't like Aux, so we can ignore everything he writes here, it's only because he dislikes Aux.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:15 am

Another gang move this 23h China tour...

I'm of stupid discussions.

This is madness.

Someone has to stop this shit and not in 1 month.
Stop it now and forever!

Ban these teams.

And I don't want to read a single post about that I attacked...it's about the non-existent possibility that this move was not planned.
Esp. since Coro also sitted Doria.

I also name here the list of other teams who were in the race and they should really say something or this shit will never end...
- RideForMoney (FPC)
- Team Zanarkand
- Carrera Blue Jeans
- olafscelts
- Idéfix

And Luques think one moment more...before you write here anything.
This shameless gang of colluders will destroy your game - sooner or later.
You pretend to follow so much fairplay here, but it is the opposite.

No fairplay in gang races...
And everybody knows this.
It's just politics but it's known.
They collude like hell and since nothing is done and they are arrogant enough to it in the face of fpc.

The message can't be clearer:
"We know that you know that we collude and we don't hide anything anymore..."

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by Coroncina2 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:05 am

you make every day same move. don't blame who follow you.
If Doria have some problem to be online I can't help him?...

relax this is a game. I see you write a lot almost all day. If you don't like how some teams play late you can play before...
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by team fl » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:05 am

So after all you wrote about them, accused them of, spammed chats, threads and even wrote PMs about them, they react. Not saying it's right, but it's not really surprising. And maybe, just maybe, at least this time their intentions are different than what you accuse them of. Doesn't make it better, but "wer Wind säht, wird Sturm ernten". At least now you can play martyr too. Think about that ;) .

Anyway I also think that they FPC and the game guys should do something about the WHOLE situation.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by IDF » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:46 am

Idéfix wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:26 am

- Indeed there were no consequences in race, as last climb was steep enough to get them, and even if there were good flatters in front.
Only for top 3.
After there were consequences...
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:38 am

Seems the gang wants to be in the news every day...

Today Guangxi Tour stage 6, Fedex was working hard for ms but in the let win Doria + Aux (pay back for yesterday I guess where Aux let win Fedex to make his green safe...).
Fedex is sprinting way too late / not taking Doria's wheel...but sprint expert can can discuss deeper.
The point is: he is not really trying to win.

Screenshots below, spreadsheet would be available for fpc.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by whisbone » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:21 am

Please, scorpsche, stop doing like Don Quixote fighting against windmills.
Everyone suspects that there are arrangements between teams, with FaceBook, skype, cell phones, etc., everything becomes possible to trick during the races.
Please do not try to become the best manager in the world. Do like some of us, have fun playing. You can be happy with yourself when you win, but forget your opponents cheat.
   It's their pleasure to sabotage the game. It's sad but it's like that.
Do not blame the FPC, it does what it can to regulate this game.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:10 am

whisbone wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:21 am
Do not blame the FPC, it does what it can to regulate this game.
Obviously nothing is happening.
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by scorpsche » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:26 am

Today another show time for the gang...

Coro helping Aux the whole stage with work & block having 87 sprint (can't even keep up in 5%) vs. Aux 91-94... :roll:
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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by RS Coesitz » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:27 am

Coro blocking for Aux, siebing his whole team (which helped Aux before all the time). It´s a joke, really.

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by ProTour-Team » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:09 am

it just remains a joke, if the italians would ride at any other time it would be a much bigger topic but as they got the night pretty much to themselves they still do whatever they want..

and the vpn situation is a joke too, finally making it obvious to which degree they go in terms of "cooperation" but besides them getting their community teams (or however you wanna call it) banned nothing happens

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Re: Unrealistic arrangement, lack of separation of private and RSF of 5 Italian teams

Post by auxilium torino » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:45 am

Km: 152, Pendenza: 0, Meters left: 450
Bert Aufmeister (Katschberger RC) non riesce la fuga
Gaetan Courtet (Lorient) Attacco al km
Il gruppo non riesce a fuggire
Symeon Karapatis (fantasticos) Attacco al km
Maxime Clijsters (RS Coesitz) contrattacca
Valerio Platini (Coroncina) contrattacca
Jonathan Delaplace (Lorient) contrattacca
Andi Stern (Katschberger RC) contrattacca
Raphael Pauwels (RS Coesitz) contrattacca
Benjamin Lecomte (Lorient) contrattacca
Erick Torres (Lorient) contrattacca
Il gruppo non riesce a fuggire
Sylvain Martin(Auxilium Torino) Apre la volata
Carmen Kalep(Auxilium Torino) segue
Ragnar Kümmel(fantasticos) segue
Alvin Jones(Lorient) segue
Leszek Blanik(rsv lünen) segue
Efthymios Pelkas(fantasticos) segue
Roland Dubois(fantasticos) segue
Tryfonas Tzanetis(fantasticos) Apre la volata
Alketas Petropoulus(fantasticos) segue
Maxime Clijsters(RS Coesitz) findet kein Hinterrad
Valerio Platini(Coroncina) segue
Jonathan Delaplace(Lorient) segue
Andi Stern(Katschberger RC) segue
Gaetan Courtet(Lorient) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Anton Koidula(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Symeon Karapatis(fantasticos) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Erick Torres(Lorient) segue
Bert Aufmeister(Katschberger RC) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Stefan Reimann(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Elia Cohen(RS Coesitz) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Christian Bachmann(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Benjamin Lecomte(Lorient) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Jörg Winter(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Markus Lohmann(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Esra Simeon(RS Coesitz) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Hans Rudolph(rsv lünen) Apre la volata und wird blockiert
Jaromir Janacek(Coroncina) findet kein Hinterrad
Renzo Beccafumi(Coroncina) hängt sich hinten dran
Horacio Ortega(Auxilium Torino) findet kein Hinterrad
Alphios Manalos(fantasticos) findet kein Hinterrad

Km: 151, Pendenza: -4
Elia Cohen (RS Coesitz) non riesce la fuga

Km: 150, Pendenza: 5
Elia Cohen (RS Coesitz) Attacco al km
Il gruppo non riesce a fuggire
Maxime Clijsters (RS Coesitz) Attacco al km
Valerio Platini (Coroncina) contrattacca
Il gruppo non riesce a fuggire
Anton Koidula (rsv lünen) Attacco al km
Tommy Declerq (Coroncina) non può seguire
Sergio Rojas (fantasticos) non può seguire
Horacio Ortega (Auxilium Torino) non può seguire
Binyamin Hermon (RS Coesitz) non può seguire
Milo Willems (RS Coesitz) non può seguire
Sebastian Steinmaier (Katschberger RC) non può seguire
Alphios Manalos (fantasticos) non può seguire
Nathaniel Simeon (RS Coesitz) non può seguire
Dai Xiangdong (Coroncina) non può seguire
AntonioSaul Quiroz (Auxilium Torino) non può seguire
Jaromir Janacek (Coroncina) non può seguire
Sylvain Marchal (Lorient) non può seguire
Emilio Trujillo (Auxilium Torino) non può seguire
Lin Zhi (Coroncina) non può seguire
Carlos DeLeon (Auxilium Torino) non può seguire
Luis Montes (Lorient) non può seguire
Renzo Beccafumi (Coroncina) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen
Nicola Boggia (Coroncina) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen
LuisMario ValleGomez (Auxilium Torino) non riesce a tirare
Hans Rudolph (rsv lünen) non riesce a tirare
Florian Bohnert (Lorient) non riesce a tirare
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