Big Donkey insulting people

[Pokemon Club]

Today, Sunday 27/08/2017

Big Donkey<12:26>: It mostly needs somebody who has a clue about calendar things to do the calendar, not some asshole like you.
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:43>: and then change that race point system because the game need a minimum of money to stay alive anyway
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:42>: as it looks people prefer to save their race-point only for tours
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:42>: I think the best thing to do is to have one day race free for all until cat 2 or cat 3
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:41>: nah we can't put tour like that just because they are some which are design
CircleCycle<11:40>: so put a tour! D
CircleCycle<11:40>: just I want to make use of Utah form
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:40>: the best thing currently is 2 tours + one day race at the same time I think
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:39>: in fact
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:39>: yep I don't see the contrary
CircleCycle<11:38>: @calendar... no tour is grrr, but flatish 1day races all the time is even more annoying
CircleCycle<11:35>: you see... 3 tours// + 1 one day race
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:30>: 117 130 132 and 125 players between 01/08 and 04/08
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:29>: *start of the month
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:29>: but the best period was at the end of the month with Burgos Pologne Utah and the one day race
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:28>: the best day was 23/07, 136 players between TDF Wallonie and the one day race
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:25>: let me check
r Sukuran Pokemon<11:25>: nah no Ain
CircleCycle<11:24>: end of july/beginning of august was best maybe, yes?
CircleCycle<11:23>: gimme that tour starting from tomorrow
CircleCycle<11:23>: so?
r Sukuran Pokemon<10:02>: In fact in 2017 July and August are 2 of the best month of the year until now
r Sukuran Pokemon<10:01>: CircleCycle: Considering it is summer, total number of teams is not so bad. Just 1day morning races and Vuelta 2pm are a problem now

I mostly don't care about what this guy think about me, I even don't care about people who can insult me when they are frustrate or when their words go further than their mind, it can happen to all here. But him just continue to insult people again and again since year, and often only for his own pleasure. So from now I'll just recense all here. I won't lose my time to open a topic by week for him.

[Robyklebt]

Poor Pokemoron.

[Liquigas-CND]

LEGALIZE THE INSULTS!

[team fl]

Stupid Idea to open a thread to COLLECT insults from a certain player. You can have such thread about almost all people that posted here, perhaps not about insults, but about behaviour that is offending to others. Just because you don't like somebody because he's maybe uncomfortable, this is not a decent solution. And it's not how the fairplay section works. And the FPC. If he insults you and you feel offended, report it. Then, leave it to the FPC and the admins to decide. A personal vendetta won't help anybody and will be only counterproductive in the long run.

Anyway, if you feel better doing it, doing nevertheless. I can assure you, it won't make you a better person nor will it make the accused person a better person. But, and that's almost certain too, it will be entertaining for the rest of us.

Nevertheless, if there is an insult, the FPC should treat it with respect to their rules or whatever is forseen.

[Pokemon Club]

Luques:
But as well for fantasy races and other lesser ones, especially since your moron assistant has started shutting certain times out on a weekly basis now.

[Pokemon Club]

Anyway, can we have an explanation by the moron asshole assistant in chief (that's you Poke) or is this another case where you claim: "I don't have to answer your questions"?

[Robyklebt]

As we all can see plainly here, the whole exercise is here only for one thing. So that Pokemoron can avoid explaining his complete absolute utter failure as calendar assistant. Not that he ever bothered with explaining or working together with others, but this gives him a new excuse.

The guy is a pathetic asshole, not my fault

[Pokemon Club]

For FPK, I'll just remember that It makes nearly 10 month that I don't want to talk anymore to that guy so I just ignore him. Anyway looks he just feel pleasure to talk about me. I am not the first one with who he plays this kind of game, find a reason and then insult and harass constantly people for x month or years. Some can find that funny but not me. I play at C4F to enjoy a bit races after the work the night or the week-end, not to have an old 60+ years old man trashtalking about me endless.
And calendar ? This guy can have the same rights than me or Hunsrueck if he wants. He can take my place I'll be happy to have more free time to go out or to sleep. Anyway it isn't the subject here. I am just tired of him. I want to enjoy races and game. I have no time to make the war with someone who don't understand that I don't care about him and that my life don't turn around him.
But isn't because I don't care that he can say what he wants behind his computer. It isn't because it is only C4F that all kind of wording must be accept. Some friends watch me play sometimes, there is young player here too, he just give a really bad image of C4f with his talking.

[Robyklebt]

Poor moron assistant!

[Liquigas-CND]

. I play at C4F to enjoy a bit races after the work the night or the week-end, not to have an old 60+ years old man trashtalking about me endless.

Really? why is important to mention his age?

[luques]

leave it to the FPC and the admins to decide.

There are 2 different problems here:
- FPC never do anything excepted it's a very transgressive thing. They are far too laxists.
- Admins don't act - via FPC or other ways - to make a game more pleasant to play, without insults, cheats, abuse, etc. They fully let the things happen, and it's becoming a big mess. That is not the way i enjoy the game, and when i see the discussions i am not the only one thinking that.
Before a new layout or better technical systems, RSF needs more and better management. Not that it is bad, Buh and Leso did a great wonderful game, Luques does a good job too. But imo some thinkings and actions are necessary to keep the game fun for the most players. Now fun is getting destroyed by some teams. We saw fucked races with Villinger. We see insults from Big Donkey. Maybe the admins will understand there is some must do...

Kind of risky to think this way.

Villinger fucked up races? Well he was fined and since then I think he didn't do nothing at all no?

Donkey insulting? He will be fined, let's see how long he will go on.

But the idea of making the game pleasant is nice but pretty much difficult, because every player has a pretty personal conception of pleasant.
Just take your case, I have nothing against you, but there are various guys here who really find not pleasant playing with you, but that's not a reason to give you a fine as long as you don't break the rules.

Same here and for other people, breaking rules leads to punition, but I don't think is right to fine someone just because he sucks in races or does offline attacks and so on

[Robyklebt]

Banning Idéfix, who I assure you insults more people per race and day than I do, would for sure be a start.
As for Pokemoron. What, asshole and moron not ok? Even if it is clearly the truth? Ok, let's call him evil halfwit then, better?

[luques]

You say a fine will come for BD, but other threads have already been opened (by other players)... this lasts for years... and still nothing.

What you mean with nothing? Because he got at least 1M in fines for insults.

[Wookie]

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF 800000, WARNING: NO

[Robyklebt]

But on the opposite of Big Donkey, my words are/do not aim to insult/hit.
On the opposite of free team, my words are not manipulative. I tell what I think.

This still is funny!
We've established that you insulted me first, by calling me free teams brother. Knowing how much you like him, that couldn't have been anything other than an insult.
And check the main chat of the game today... you seem to be the only one thinking that you are not manipulative.

You see, that's what makes your behaviour so disgusting. You insult, but when others insult, it's a big scandal. You manipulate, but when others manipulate it's a big scandal. All while claiming that YOU are innocent and a good guy. At least I know when I insult others, and am honest enough to admit that I do it. People like you on the other hand, disgusting hypocrite behaviour. The sooner you are banned from the game the better.

[Robyklebt]

You were fined several times for insulting, so you have no lessons to give on that point.

Of course I have a lesson to give, after all I'm clearly a specialist.

But you both seems never learning to be good men and kind managers..

I already am a good man and a kind manager, so why would I need to learn that?

Your opinion doesn't count for me.

That's the spirit of a good man and a kind manager, got it!

You're just a bitter little dog after all.

[Robyklebt]

I just got a warning.
What for?

[luques]

I just got a warning.
What for?

Well, somehow it didn't come with the fine. So it's related to that.

[Robyklebt]

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF 800000, WARNING: NO

Well, somehow it didn't come with the fine. So it's related to that.

Doesn't sound convincing.

[luques]

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF 800000, WARNING: NO

Well, somehow it didn't come with the fine. So it's related to that.

Doesn't sound convincing.

Indeed that one should have been a Warning Yes (as usual with fines for insults), then it seems a warning can't be given without a fine too so there you have the 10k (which is the minimum amount possible, well also that system somehow is buggy or limited).

[Robyklebt]

Sorry, this is bullshit.
Not only the warning and the fine (which I suspect you know, that's why I get non-answers to this easy question) but even more so the answer.

You hand out a fine and a warning, then I suspect you hope the guy fined and warned learns a lesson from it. But then you have to clearly say WHAT the punishment is for. Maybe you've given up on my case... ok, then say that, instead of some weasel-answer like the above.

I get a fine+warning. The link from the fine(which I discovered only after my first post here) points to the other thread. No real explanation what for, but my guess would be for provocation.
But here I'm basically told that it's related to this here (which could mean the other thread too, yes) that I should have gotten a warning with the first fine but that I should really just ignore it, it's all buggy too after all.
Big failure at communication.
If the warning is as you imply a belated side dish to the fine, then clearly say so. And that the link in the fine message was wrong, no problem, can happen.
If it's for provocation in the second case, clearly state so. Send clear messages, not muddled evasive statements.

[Wookie]

In this case you just got a fine.
The warning is for the other case/ thread. There it seems that luques or leso can't give warnings without a fine (system bug or what ever), so you received also a 10.000 fine.

[luques]

Sorry, this is bullshit.
Not only the warning and the fine (which I suspect you know, that's why I get non-answers to this easy question) but even more so the answer.

You hand out a fine and a warning, then I suspect you hope the guy fined and warned learns a lesson from it. But then you have to clearly say WHAT the punishment is for. Maybe you've given up on my case... ok, then say that, instead of some weasel-answer like the above.

I get a fine+warning. The link from the fine(which I discovered only after my first post here) points to the other thread. No real explanation what for, but my guess would be for provocation.
But here I'm basically told that it's related to this here (which could mean the other thread too, yes) that I should have gotten a warning with the first fine but that I should really just ignore it, it's all buggy too after all.
Big failure at communication.
If the warning is as you imply a belated side dish to the fine, then clearly say so. And that the link in the fine message was wrong, no problem, can happen.
If it's for provocation in the second case, clearly state so. Send clear messages, not muddled evasive statements.

I thought it was pretty clear the reason why a player that insulted and fought for days with other 2 players gets a warning.
The question actually doesn't make that much sense for me, about what topic is related. The two topics are strictly related as the fight started in one continued in the other.
The warning was related to the esacalation of the situation that continued for days and where you were one of the protagonist.

As it seems I can't explain myself properly, maybe a metaphor will do, it was like when 3 kids fight each other and they are sent all the 3 to the director of kindergarten who then gives 3 notes to all the 3.

As for the topic put it where you prefer, doesn't change much what I said.
And no bullshit, simply I thought that someone insulting and making this section a mess for some days would find perfectly normal to receive a warning after all, seems I was wrong.

[Robyklebt]

Topics related, but not identical. Important distinction.
One topic was dealt with, 800.000 fine, no warning, publicly announced.
The other one was dealt with "privacy announcements", you ask, you get told, warnings for 2 at first, something that is public in the fairness votes. No words about fines.
Even you (as in the fairness committee) made a clear distinction between the 2 threads, by dealing with the handling of announcements differently. Now you want them to merge completely?

And of course your first 2 answers were bullshit. Related to this! Well, since I posted my question here, it's obvious that I assumed as much. Thought it was clear that I expected a more precise answer. Then "Should have been a warning with the fine" Which would have been ok at the time the fine was given. But now? I won't believe for a second that all of the sudden you remembered that there was no warning with the fine so decided to it now, roughly one month later. Which is what answer 2 implied. That's bs. Just answer directly, not some nebulous indication about relations.

Wookies explanation ok, disagree but ok, at least I get told (more or less, can't be 100% sure it was for the provocation in the main chat, but seems safe to assume that) what it is for.

Your explanation though while at least not just cryptic stuff is not convincing at all again. Interpreting what you wrote a bit seems a case of: "there's trouble, Big Donkey is involved, can't go wrong giving him a warning". Not specifically for provocation.

The question actually doesn't make that much sense for me, about what topic is related. The two topics are strictly related as the fight started in one continued in the other.
I thought it was pretty clear the reason why a player that insulted and fought for days with other 2 players gets a warning.

Oh, got it. Where are the warnings for Pokemon and Idéfix for their part in this thread? Must have missed them.
Because, well, my behaviour in the other thread really isn't different from their behaviour here. Or how exactly are they different? And no, I don't think they should be warned for their great display of fairness here (provocation, I know). And neither should I for the "general fighting and insulting", since I wasn't "fighting and insulting" any more in that thread than they were in this one here. For my fighting and insulting here, I was fined. Done and dealt with.
So provocation? Everything else makes even less sense than provocation does. And next time just answer directly after the first question.

[luques]

Boh, I really don't get you.
Simple as it is, I thought you deserved warning and fine.

It doesn't seem to me that you are complaining about the warning itself, so for me this is closed.

The problem is how it was delivered? Well, feel free to open a topic and let's see if something positive and standard comes out. I would be the first to be happy if we can avoid things like this.