the case beforew is found here:
http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... 16&t=10337
In the Morning Tour de france on stage 12 Furpach did a legal attack but was influenced by Zizous fals claim of the team attack and even dropped riders, different to the last case this time it actually influenced the race, zizou had some guys in that group and sended some more riders after Furpach dropped to build a bigger group, so he actually had some advantage of this:
that was the attack with 12 riders of 5 times therefor a legal attackKm: 3, Steigung: 0
Robert Schuhmann (r FSCL) attackiert
Hans Groß (Cien Cycling) geht mit
Ionatana Ionatana (SV Furpach) geht mit
Jimmy Cliff (SV Furpach) geht mit
Esaie Somda (Bugatti) geht mit
Ramon Miller (Bugatti) geht mit
Viviane Mannes (r FSCL) attackiert
Yohan Blake (SV Furpach) attackiert
Sükrü Kilic (SV Furpach) attackiert
Florencio Sánchez (zizou) attackiert
Pedro Lopez (Cien Cycling) geht mit
Javi Valverde (zizou) attackiert
the chat:3. Chained Attacks. Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.
r FSCL(12:02): we have that uphill ITT, yes
Bugatti(12:01): on 75%?
r FSCL(12:00): 200 mybe
Tukhtahuaev(12:00): Maybe double that?
r FSCL(12:00): i think we have more energie lost @bugatti
zizou(11:59): Mintact wasnt changed to 168?
Bugatti(11:58): 10km maybe 70-80 power?
zizou(11:56): Yeah he is not the problem xD
Tukhtahuaev(11:56): Sanchez will easily be fit
r FSCL(11:56): but dont know!?
r FSCL(11:56): i think sanchez will be fit again after ITT
zizou(11:54): How much energy is needed at 75% for tomorrow?
zizou(11:53): No I am not trying to sieb, just saying
r FSCL(11:52): you dont want to sieb!?
zizou(11:52): Don’t even think he can sieb the classics
Romoc Riders(11:50): i mean...
zizou(11:50): 48 flat. Thats everything else than a nice ride for Sanchez
Romoc Riders(11:49): how nice they ride for zizou
Bugatti(11:45): just go on. is faster
Cien Cycling(11:43): Sorry
Bugatti(11:43): yes with all please
zizou(11:41): Cien Cycling you read the chat?
r FSCL(11:37): ok
Schnuggeritos(11:37): Ok
Bugatti(11:37): km 87 for Schnuggi and Donto okay?
Bugatti(11:36): then go
SV Furpach(11:36): for me ok, we can start
SV Furpach(11:36): sorry offline
Bugatti(11:34): Cien Cycling hopefully join then with me an Furpach too
Bugatti(11:34): so waiting for Furpachs answer
Schnuggeritos(11:33): 10 - 15 is fine for me
r FSCL(11:32): if that is the way of go i confirm
Bugatti(11:32): SV Furpach we want to join with the pullers? Donto and Schnuggi join 10-15km later then?
zizou(11:32): Yes he does
Bugatti(11:30): Sangare is pulling the group from 123? if yes, he is weaker than Schuhmann and Grümph. so we can use now all the pullers, right?
Schnuggeritos(11:29): No chance for Grümph if I use my last puller now. You guys can start, I will join later
zizou(11:29): Just 134 & 146 is important for me
Bugatti(11:27): there are many diffrent interests in the group. But for all it should be good if the gap is as big as we can. What speaks against the use of all pullers?
r FSCL(11:25): @zizou will sieb us all thats fact
zizou(11:23): I just don’t think 2 mins are enough
Tukhtahuaev(11:23): If you go slower, I go slower
zizou(11:22): Thats what I do
Tukhtahuaev(11:21): You can go just fast enough to get the intermediate
Tukhtahuaev(11:21): You can also save energy, zizou
Bugatti(11:21): but we should think about for what we need the otherpullers after km123. nearly all of them will be gone. so maybe use them from now till 123?
Noricum(11:21): also want good result today
zizou(11:18): Just save energy and hope you can have yellow for a day
Bugatti(11:16): Noricum what are you riding for?
zizou(11:13): Thanks
zizou(11:12): Schnuggeritos?
zizou(11:11): One from Schnuggi would be enough for now
zizou(11:11): Schnuggi one in?
Bugatti(11:11): we can go all in with the pullers, thats okay for me
Romoc Riders(11:11): this is how i see it
Romoc Riders(11:10): the origin of the attack is important
zizou(11:10): Work together bugatti. Not interested in gc, going for kom. Florencios time as a gc rider is over
Romoc Riders(11:10): same attack should be same km with attack from the same group
zizou(11:09): But different moves? Thought the chained rule is for the same attack
Bugatti(11:09): what we gone do in front?
r FSCL(11:09): 12 riders 4 diffrent teams
SV Furpach(11:09): no prob
r FSCL(11:08): i checked was okay ...
Bugatti(11:07): zu schnell reagiert Furpach, wenn alles ok ist
Alkworld / Admin(11:07): it they all were from the same group
Tukhtahuaev(11:07): A replay to see exactly would be nice
Alkworld / Admin(11:07): km3 attack looks OK from rules perspective, 12 riders, >= 4 teams
SV Furpach(11:07): ok, two go back, sorry
Tukhtahuaev(11:06): It was 12 riders going at the same km
zizou(11:05): 2 hanging, 2 attacking
zizou(11:05): But they hasnt been all in the same attack
zizou(11:05): 2 too much
SV Furpach(11:05): i hoped it was ok, 11 riders, more as 4 teams
zizou(11:05): Furpach wasnt a chained attack, so its 1 too much right?
Romoc Riders(11:04): but he should know and trigger himself
Romoc Riders(11:03): i missed the initial move. not sure about Furpach
BeaconSV(11:02): some team attacks?
Romoc Riders(10:39): we should be fine now
Schnuggeritos(10:39): 11 am start, confirmed by Alk in chat
Bugatti(10:34): still a problem
Bugatti(10:34): now 12h?
BeaconSV(10:31): hello
SV Furpach(10:28): for me ok
Noricum(10:26): servus
Tukhtahuaev(10:25): I set that early mintact, but in this situation I would also not mind changing it to 168
SV Furpach(10:24): official news from gipfel, starting 11 o`clock
Bugatti(10:24): 11h ways better than skip it to tomorrow or later today
zizou(10:24): 168 mintact ok for me
Schnuggeritos(10:23): Maybe we can move mintact to 160+?
Tukhtahuaev(10:20): Definitely prefer an earlier than 11
SV Furpach(10:19): in the front page new starting time 11
r FSCL(10:19): work for me, too!
Romoc Riders(10:19): could work for me any time you agree
Romoc Riders(10:18): hello. i am here too
Linn Drum Cycling(10:18): morning, 10:30, 11:00 - all ok 4 me if asked - back in a while
Schnuggeritos(10:18): I'm fine with a start today but we should wait for all teams
r FSCL(10:17): hi! ufff so much stress game back nice!
Bugatti(10:17): just need a information
Bugatti(10:17): maybe 10:30 possible too
SV Furpach(10:16): what can we do? cancl the stage today or starting at 11?
Schnuggeritos(10:14): Good morning. Everyone waiting for the game to come back online
Tukhtahuaev(10:14): Hello
SV Furpach(10:13): good morning
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