Pro offliners during tours

[Elaska]

Hi there,

It's time again to think about a solution against the guys being involved in tours and being off more than 60% of the tour or whith a sitter at half stages or even more.
I don't want to quote anyone, but there some guys taking big advantage of that, an being unfair to others teams.

i open this thread to discuss it

[team fl]

It's mostly annyoing. But usually, these teams are not very succesful. There are maybe some exemptions, but the successful stage race teams are the ones that have a high online quota, in general.

I my opinion, the current offline rules are enough. Other than that, I think that stricter offline rules might hurt teams that usually don't fall into the category of "offline teams" as well.

Just being offline is not unfair per se. So what do you consider as unfair in this context? (Frequently) Being offline for a long time during a stage, letting others work and then showing up, winning the stage? Being offline and having offline settings, such as tempo, attack, etc.? Being offline and still having a top10 GC placement in the end?

I don't think you can do something against the Sitter thing. I just don't get how the game is fun, when you can't play most stages (>50%) yourself.

My conclusion: There are not many teams that frequently are "unfair" offline teams. The ones that are, are usually known. And there are enough options in a race to punish that. It might still be annyoing to a certain extent, though.

[Hansa]

I would like to have the offline rule corrected on the giro it was 60% of days and not 60% of stages therefor teams got kicked out very late.

[Alkworld]

I would like to have the offline rule corrected on the giro it was 60% of days and not 60% of stages therefor teams got kicked out very late.

I'm sure that can be fixed, it was just the first real race after the redesign, where it became relevant.

[Rockstar Inc]

I guess what the guys are refering to are the well knows teams who are being sittet 5/7 or 3/5 stages in a tour..this shouldn't be allowed/possible

[Elaska]

The problem also during tours is that you have to be off 60% of the tour continuously to get kicked, right?
That's a lot.

[team fl]

The problem also during tours is that you have to be off 60% of the tour continuously to get kicked, right?
That's a lot.

-> In stage races (tours), you can be offline for whole stages, but there is a limit. If you miss more than 60% of the race in more than 60% of the stages, your riders will abandon.

That's the exact rule.

Anyway, maybe it's best to document such cases? Otherwise this will continue to be a pure hypothetical discussion.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I guess what the guys are refering to are the well knows teams who are being sittet 5/7 or 3/5 stages in a tour..this shouldn't be allowed/possible

There is a rule for that:

During stage races, it is mandatory to be online at least 20% of the stages (no sitter logged in during those stages).

Changing it can be discussed of course.

[Pokemon Club]

The problem also during tours is that you have to be off 60% of the tour continuously to get kicked, right?
That's a lot.

No it isn't continuously.

Why not putting a limit on sitting per tours ? Something like you can be sit more than 40% of a tour ?

[schappy]

The problem also during tours is that you have to be off 60% of the tour continuously to get kicked, right?
That's a lot.

No it isn't continuously.

Why not putting a limit on sitting per tours ? Something like you can be sit more than 40% of a tour ?

There is a rule for that: "During stage races, it is mandatory to be online at least 20% of the stages (no sitter logged in during those stages)."

[Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team]

I'm very open to discuss this! There shouldn't be a sitter in more than 20% of the stage time.

[ATB - Racing]

I'm very open to discuss this! There shouldn't be a sitter in more than 20% of the stage time.

100% !!!