Chaos Team

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Chaos Team, must be banned ?

Poll ended at Mon May 16, 2011 3:55 pm

Yes
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No
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Luna » Sun May 01, 2011 11:30 pm

Do I really need to teach you the multiple ways of how groups may unfold.


Btw riding for a minor place is in fact part cycling. Especially with a pure sprinters team you experience that by yourself, since there is not every race made for sprinters. Sometimes there are mountains or nasty hills. Sometimes there are cobbles. Sometimes there is... Chaos

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Zentaron » Sun May 01, 2011 11:45 pm

The way groups may unfold in reality is not very often the way it goes in RSF. You know it yourself.
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by NoPikouze » Mon May 02, 2011 12:02 am

I understand both opinions and it's impossible to chose which one is right.
But it's not a very good decision to remove a team because his opponents don't like his style... It's an open door to a lot of decisions / complaints... (And he can create a new team anyway)
The best thing to do is to decide nothing, even if it sucks.

NB: A couple of months ago Riding Stars was behaving exactly the same way, nobody filed a complaint back then...
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Robyklebt » Mon May 02, 2011 2:53 am

The ape comes here to make order:

Don't ban Chaos, check his IP to see if it's a manager living out his anti-social behaviour with a second team. Then act accordingly. Ban and fine if it's a second account, fellate him to apologize for the scandalous suspicion if he's not.
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Luna » Mon May 02, 2011 4:38 pm

Zentaron wrote:The way groups may unfold in reality is not very often the way it goes in RSF. You know it yourself.
Yes, because we keep banning everybody and everything that might provide a different approach. But not because RSF would prevent it.

Cathegorically denying to occasionally surrender oneself to a more open order of events is not better than denying to work for a mass sprint although having one of the best sprinters in the field.

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Zentaron » Mon May 02, 2011 9:08 pm

You compare teams that work hard for their success with Chaos? It's kind of insulting.

edit: Eben ein Einwurf auf Deutsch dazu: Du weißt zudem genau, daß selbst eingefleischte Sprinterteams hier bei RSF auch zu anderen Taktiken in der Lage sind/Siege bereits auf anderem Wege geholt haben. Also zieht der (beleidigende) Vergleich mit Chaos eh nicht. Was aber nichts daran ändert, daß die Siegchancen in nem normalen Sprint (ohne 5 Milliarden Parasiten) wohl immer noch höher sind als in ner Gruppe, in der ich regelmäßig mit 4x Sprintern gegen 6x oder hohe 5x antreten muß, die zudem IMMER an den schwächeren hängen, weil sie genau wissen, daß die am Ende ihr Heil in der Flucht suchen müssen. Und wenn man dann immer gegen Chaos fahren muß, soll man also immer auf die deutlich kleinere Siegchance in der Gruppe hoffen, nur um Chaos nicht zum Sieg zu fahren? Also kann ich mein Team doch gleich dem anpassen, wie er es quasi verlangt (und letztlich mit deinen ganzen Posts hier, die keinerlei Verständnis für die Situation aufweisen, auch du).
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Team ART » Mon May 02, 2011 10:46 pm

Luna, you dont understand that chaos dont play this game and obvious even dont want to play.

His behaviour is like someone who destroys your sandcastle and afterwards he will be happy to see you cry...

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by NoPikouze » Tue May 03, 2011 3:14 pm

I'd say that you care way too much about a guy who has gathered 3 stage wins in 2011...
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Pirkio » Tue May 03, 2011 3:38 pm

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Team ART » Tue May 03, 2011 5:08 pm

NoPikouze wrote:I'd say that you care way too much about a guy who has gathered 3 stage wins in 2011...

Ah ok, congratulations fot this assessment...really helpful to solve the real problem...

But i like the pirkio-idea.

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Robyklebt » Tue May 03, 2011 5:49 pm

I still want a IP check....

And less people telling me how to ride.
Less people thinking even their shit is gold.
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Pirkio » Tue May 03, 2011 7:51 pm

Robyklebt wrote:I still want a IP check....

And less people telling me how to ride.
Less people thinking even their shit is gold.

Is easy to talk with Conti :lol:
Anyway i don't understand you say this from 1 month why they don't give this fucking ip check? i don't understand why a super team with 2 sprinter 95 - 94 don't have to work like all the stupid peolpe in this game.. his top flat today was an 82
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by NoPikouze » Tue May 03, 2011 8:31 pm

It's not only about the rider's skills. If he's not able to win, why should he make tempo ? ;)
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 3:58 pm

i was again banned him, but after more race, i change my idea
i create a poll
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by bergwerk cycling » Fri May 06, 2011 4:20 pm

verbannt ihn !

Wir sind alle schön blöd, uns von ihm jedes Rennen versauen zu lassen ... raus.

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Zentaron » Fri May 06, 2011 4:22 pm

Ich bin auch Anti-Chaos, aber es gibt keinen stichhaltigen Anhaltspunkt, der rechtfertigen würde, ihn zu bannen. >>> Nein.
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2008: 54
2009: 36
2010: 47
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by bergwerk cycling » Fri May 06, 2011 4:23 pm

Dann lasst alle die mit nein stimmen, weiter mit ihm fahren P:

Dann muss man Gesetze ändern ... macht Berlusconi auch alle 3 Monate .-)

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 4:27 pm

doch, man muss nicht von bug profitieren, und der profitiert, das man nicht die reifen platzen lassen kann.
nein, erlich, ändert die fisionomie der spiel, ist nicht ertragbar, weil in gegensatz zu andere rennen, kann man mit ihn nicht normale spielen, und dasd ist schon gegen die fairplay regeln, in grunde genommen.
in prinzip seine ist eine stiftung gegen die faire spieler
Ban Chaos team
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Zentaron » Fri May 06, 2011 4:28 pm

Wie gesagt, ich würde ihn auch gerne bannen, aber es gibt keine Regel, gegen die er konkret verstößt. Und das muß die Grundlage sein.
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2007: 33 (30 since buying licence in april)
2008: 54
2009: 36
2010: 47
2011: 34

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 4:30 pm

ich sehe es andere...

ban Chaos Team
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 4:34 pm

in reale rennen, wurde man schon seine fahrer isolieren, und aus dem spiel nehmen, hier ist nicht moglich, und für mich das wenn man von eine techniches probleme profitiere...
fazit: geht gegen die regeln, kann und muss man sperren oder bannen

ban Chaos Team
Allenatore Italia - Manager Dainese OG 10 bronzo TTT
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by Zentaron » Fri May 06, 2011 4:35 pm

Dann beleg mir doch bitte die konkrete Regel, gegen die er verstößt und ich ändere meine Meinung. ;)
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2008: 54
2009: 36
2010: 47
2011: 34

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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 4:43 pm

aus RSF anleitung:
Bei den Fairnessregeln geht es weniger um die Bewertung von harter oder netter Fahrweise, als vielmehr um das Vermeiden von Vorteilen, die sich Mannschaften durch technische Möglichkeiten verschaffen zu versuchen, die außerhalb eines normalen, realistischen Rennverlaufs liegen. Von der Spielleitung geahndet werden unfaire Verhaltensweisen, die die Lücken des Systems ausnutzen. Spieler, die mit unrealistischen Verhaltensweisen arbeiten, es z.B. ausnutzen wollen, wenn in der Anfangsphase wenige online sind (der klassische Teamangriff), müssen damit rechnen durch Punktabzug, Geldabzug, Rennsperren bestraft zu werden. Dies lässt sich nicht alles in ein ausformuliertes Regelwerk fassen und vieles steht auch noch zur Diskussion.

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Manager SantiNelli WC 10/10 argento TT
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by auxilium torino » Fri May 06, 2011 4:44 pm

klar konnte es nicht sein!
ban Chaos Team
Allenatore Italia - Manager Dainese OG 10 bronzo TTT
Manager SantiNelli WC 10/10 argento TT
Manager SantiNelli WC 3/11 6/11Oro TT
Allenatore Italia WC 9/11 Oro RR
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Re: Chaos Team

Post by team fl » Fri May 06, 2011 5:01 pm

Aux, damit ist aber eher Bugusing gemeint oder eben unerlaubte (IT-)Hilfmittel, sprich Software. Einfach kein Tempo zu fahren und im Chat nicht reagieren ist keine Ausnützung einer Lücke bei RSF...
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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