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unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Mangahn » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:42 am

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5492&start=100#p99173

Well known from all teams who ride/look to races at the late evening there is/was a problem with multiteams and other cheater.

Doria (italian)
Fedex (italian)
Ciclistica (italian)
are banned for VPN reasons.

Corocina (italian) and Auxilium (italian) are still on stage. Still cheating for Auxilium, using there combinated power in obvisiosly not legal way. Luques (italian) clossed the thread because of messi-look. Which is nothing else than enough information to punish both teams.

What happens most of the time: Coro is riding for Aux. Not only a bit. Without shame and hiding, the hole team do everthing for his buddy.
This included a lot of unforced tempo for the ms for the much stronger aux or
if Coro is Favo like yesterday he pulled for aux and waited for aux rider to get him into good position for an attack.

If you not Ban Aux for his doing there must be a big fine, a warning and most obvisiosly a correct of the statistik. 50% (or more) of the stage wins are not legal.

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by team fl » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:53 am

What of this
Feel free to open others just related to the race, team involved and so on if something happens again.
did you not understand? Or not wanted to understand? Or just didn't care about?

Plain accusations and made up numbers without any backing data presented as "facts" don't help.
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Mangahn » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:20 am

Today (27.11), 11.00 pm.

Coro big Favo. Aux do enough work to make sure it should be a easy win.

If someone needs argue for the italian combo: Aux riding for Coro. Okay, might be this "Aux is a beginner who don´t know how to ride" thing. On the other hand its the same procedure like every day.

So there is still no proof. Ha ha.


P.S.
Coro waitet long and often enough to make sure his friend is able to be there and win. I know when its time to laugh.
The best is the text from Aux:
Auxilium Torino: du hast von spiel 0 ahnung, nur eine grosse klappe und nicht mehr
Auxilium Torino: so, du genie...noch sicher ich war in tempo fuer nothing?


And: Aux is true. He realy knows how to win with two teams against one. Great Aux.

POOR RSF


P.P.S.

Adler was banned for using two teams in a tour. But he uses it only one time (as far as I know).
This guys are allowed to do it night after night.
Its not my race, but thats bullshit

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Mangahn » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:27 am

From 11.11:
Coro blocking for Aux, siebing his whole team (which helped Aux before all the time). It´s a joke, really.
Today another show time for the gang...

Coro helping Aux the whole stage with work & block having 87 sprint (can't even keep up in 5%) vs. Aux 91-94... :roll:
or this one:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5492&start=75#p98938

There is no luck of information, FL. Only luck of investigation.
More than this: there are a lot of things you can´t even copy out of the race. Tempo/not tempo, green tempo instead of red one etc.

Yesterday Aux attacked in front of a hill. Coro set tempo from red to green to make sure that aux rider made it over the hill. A realy dangerous action. After the aux rider is far enough in front Coro go red again.

Its dozent of this action. I understand. Free Team, Kaju, SWE, Newbys understand.

Did you understand? Do you need more copies? I cant believe you don´t know it all by now.

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by scorpsche » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:32 am

I'm supporting this thread as many other teams as well probably.
It is really revealing that FL dares to troll right away.

After the obv. proof of my claims are there and not open communicated in the beginning now Aux & Coro are protected by just closing the thread...

Let me put in a few simple bullets a reasonible (non-troll) mind will understand:
1. I accused 7 teams riding unrealistic and against fp rules together
2. Many other teams supported my claims
3. Many examples were given how and when these teams colluded
4. Now 3 of these teams were banned due to VPN restrictions => conclusions these were Aux / Coro multis ...pretty obvious, right?
5. Aux / Coro are not banned and still continue to ride together => examples when & how were given
6. Still no official FPC investigation
7. Still Aux + Coro are not banned
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by ProTour-Team » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:51 am

Honestly just 1 question for the FPK members: Did any of you actually watch multiple nightraces within the last months?

To me it is pretty obvious that "i dont see it so i dont care" is the way to go for (most of) them, or do you actually believe that so many teams just see ghosts and the involved italian teams are right - while some of them just got vpn-banned recently, another coincidence for sure

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:30 pm

One thing I really don't get is:

From reading some of you guys it sounds almost like:

3 teams were VPN-banned just like this, nothing was done by the FPC, nothing was done by Luques, nothing was done by anybody, they just got spontaneously banned, just like that. Some VPN-checking thing mysteriously appeared, and on its own decided to ban 3 teams. Almost like a bug, nothing that was wanted, nothing that was planned in any way. It's just happened.

Is that what you're saying?
No most likely it's not, but you sure make it sound like that. Maybe instead of attacking the FPC how about acknowledging that something has happened? That this wasn't just by pure chance?
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To me it is pretty obvious that "i dont see it so i dont care" is the way to go for (most of) them, or do you actually believe that so many teams just see ghosts and the involved italian teams are right - while some of them just got vpn-banned recently, another coincidence for sure
Just to make my point clearer.... sounds like the FPC (and Luques, although in this post he isn't mentioned) has nothing at all to do with VPN bans, they happen outside of everything. Is that so?

Many of the posts are in this vein.

One useful bit is to be found here:
Mangahn wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:27 am
Yesterday Aux attacked in front of a hill. Coro set tempo from red to green to make sure that aux rider made it over the hill. A realy dangerous action. After the aux rider is far enough in front Coro go red again.
See, Manghi of all people manages to write something useful and sensible. THAT'S the kind of stuff that needs to be posted. Fast and immediately, first time I read about this. Manghi himself in his earlier posts didn't deem it necessary to write that detail down, instead he talked about Adler being banned for having 2 teams (which I didn't know, but good, or is it bad in some cases if that happens?) He copied that post in here too.

Unfortunately there's no detailed information in it. There should be. That was at midnight I think? (Might be calculating the time difference wrong). Good, a timely post, but just a general accusation without any clear specific action described. And that simply needs to be in there. LIke it was in the post quoted above. Ideally with the km it happened too. Then if somebody from the FPC is around, he can go, watch the replay. Because no, it's not the FPC's job, to watch the races trying to see if something illegal, suspicious happens, it's our, the normal users, job, to report suspicious things. Detailed, specifics if necessary with screen shots. So that the FPC has something to work from. Just an accusation: THEY COLLABORATED simply isn't enough... how, when, details, like above.
The action Manghi described above? To me seems clear, seems a blatant case of collusion. And while clearly the FPC member's are not as brilliant, perceptive and fantastic as I am, I'm confident in a case like this they would come to the same conclusion as me. Ok, Manghis trustworthiness is always to be questioned, so with screen shots would have been better... But still. This is an actual specific action, that the FPC can work on. The thing the same Manghi posted at midnight isn't. That's just some general accusation withholding the specifics. And then you expect the FPC members, if any of them are online to watch the whole race replay not knowing exactly what to look for? You yourself can't bring yourself to post specifics, (because nothing happens anyway you say), but expect the FPC to watch a whole replay closely without knowing exactly what to look for (and then be attacked by others for "not doing anything" (see VPN bans))
Your expectations are too high for others, the FPC in this case, too low for yourself.
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by ProTour-Team » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 pm

please stop writing so much bullshit.
we talked about so many races in details for years, fpk never cared and it should still be our job to report every km of every race? yap.. obviously fpc shouldnt investigate

sometimes i really wonder if donkeys are able to think like humans

and obviously the vpn bans finally happend thanks to luques, but maybe think about how long that has been going on with him&others knowing that while the fpc still doesnt care

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:53 pm

ProTour-Team wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 pm
yap.. obviously fpc shouldnt investigate
Where did I, or anybody else say that?

It's exactly this kind of complete bullshit that isn't helpful at all.
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by ProTour-Team » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:00 pm

you are defending them on not investigating so please draw me another conclusion.
Because no, it's not the FPC's job, to watch the races trying to see if something illegal, suspicious happens, it's our, the normal users, job, to report suspicious things. Detailed, specifics if necessary with screen shots. So that the FPC has something to work from. Just an accusation: THEY COLLABORATED simply isn't enough... how, when, details, like above.
like i said, we have commented on various races and never any fpc member at least said anything to it or wanted to investigate. but maybe it is just the donkeys mind working in other ways again

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by team fl » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:28 pm

I post my post from the chat here too:

In general I think we can agree on two things:

1.) We all think that Aux and Coroncina's behaviour is very suspicious and has to be investigated; and

2.) it is up to the whole community to deliever good data for the FPC to be able to decide. This includes the particular race, race situation, what happened, what was the collusion about extactly. If we managed to do that, I think something will happen in the FPC.

What is not helpful at all are general accusations or attacking other players personally.
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.

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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by scorpsche » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:44 am

Well if I post today's race certain people will say again: can be interpreted bla bla bla...

So instead I will post an interesting chat between Aux & Coro to put some context.
Basically Coro was offline and Aux called him to join the race since he was losing.
Well obv Coro was not a help even online but the thing is: this is one important puzzle piece more the collusion picture Aux, Coro and the VPN multies.
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by scorpsche » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:51 am

...and even some more context from good old time when Coro (aka Samuele) was my mentor.

When Coro is not playing like Aux wants, poor Coro is insulted by Aux.
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:23 am

Indeed a shocking document.
But not for the reason you seem to think.
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Re: unrealistic ride of Auxilium and Corocina

Post by chartreusecycle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:30 am

Either the FPK should act (at least state that they are investigating) or the FPK should close this topic

In any case the FPK should communicate to stop this kind of endless discussions
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