15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

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15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by High Flyer » Fri May 27, 2016 4:58 pm

High Flyer<16:30>: he didnt even sprint at the finish even though he had a 87-89-91 train, juist ride red when only i attack
Team Obk<15:49>: Jemand vom Fairplaykommitee hier? 15 Uhr im Tagesrennen, Looser fährt ausschließlich gegen High Flyer, ohne erkennbares Rennziel.. Zerstört damit das ganze Rennen, das ist nicht fair.

High Flyer: ive had problems with him not riding, but i dont do the same to him
High Flyer: not really, i've given him 2 -2 and 1 +1
Team Obk: but why? did you have any problems before?

Let me explain the riders in the race and history before what happened.
In the 169km 7 man race, Looser brings a 87-89-91 train. I had 90 sprint with 63 flat. OBK had 90 sprint 66 flat. Menage has 88 sprinter with 59 flat. I have never riden to annoy him before today.

Yet today, me and OBK and Menage all attack. Red chase. I attack. Red chase. OBK and Menage attack. No chase. 9 min gap opens. I attack, red chase. No tempo after caught. Repeat several times during race, you will see how many time I attacked and chased down red, yet only 5km from end attack goes through. He then proceed to not sprint at the end. ad give me a -2 without reason.

Before anyone says that it's becuase I was a fav, surely not, as he let same sprint with 3 higher flat OBK get a 20min gap before my attack closed the gap down, as well as bringing a heavily strong train, whose main sprinter was better than mine. He either had my wheel or chased my wheel


Other fair-play rules:
- unrealistic arrangements are not allowed: It's unrealistic to chase 1 team only yet not persue a win or even sprint
- every manager must do the best for his team . Separation of private and RSF is required. He didn't chase for sprint, so he wasnt doing anything for his team

This isn't a good manager making a simple mistake.
(Last check) 48 fairplay votes he has:
18 '-2' to him.
1 '-2' aimed at me (funny guy).

Please do something about this.

Race Log:

Km: 169, Meters left: 0

Km: 169, Meters left: 50

Km: 169, Meters left: 100

Km: 169, Meters left: 150

Km: 169, Meters left: 200

Km: 169, Meters left: 250

Km: 169, Meters left: 300

Km: 169, Meters left: 350

Km: 169, Meters left: 400

Km: 169, Gradient: 1, Meters left: 450
Tahiti Bob (karaT) attacks
Group fails to escape
Krateos Theodoros (karaT) attacks
Group fails to escape
Urs Heftli (karaT) attacks
Group fails to escape
Russell Wilson (karaT) attacks
Avinash Megha(Herakles) findet kein Hinterrad
Nabil Dirar(Team Obk) takes the wheel
Charles Rambaud(Melange) takes the wheel
Jean Sarradet(Melange) findet kein Hinterrad
Nikolai Fadeiev(UCS-TPM-Durex) takes the wheel
Danny Amendola(karaT) launches the sprint
DeMarco Murray(karaT) takes the wheel
Michele Pozzato(High Flyer) findet kein Hinterrad
Brandon Hope(Melange) launches the sprint
Pierre Delhomme(Melange) takes the wheel
Marc Agnès(Herakles) takes the wheel
Nijeng Dangi(Herakles) takes the wheel
Miguel Alarcon(Melange) takes the wheel
Michka Krasklov(UCS-TPM-Durex) launches the sprint
Vladimir Muravyov(UCS-TPM-Durex) takes the wheel
Valeriy Dmitriyev(UCS-TPM-Durex) takes the wheel
Fouad Chafik(Team Obk) findet kein Hinterrad
Teddy Bridgewater(karaT) launches the sprint und wird blockiert
Andrei Kivi(High Flyer) launches the sprint und wird blockiert
Charles Rambaud (Melange) cannot take relay

Km: 168, Gradient: 0

Km: 167, Gradient: 0
Charles Rambaud (Melange) attacks

Km: 166, Gradient: -1

Km: 165, Gradient: 2
Michele Pozzato (High Flyer) attacks
Peter Assange (Looser) follows
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) attacks

Km: 164, Gradient: 0
Danny Amendola (karaT) attacks
DeMarco Murray (karaT) attacks
Eirik Brandsdal (Team Obk) follows
Avinash Megha (Herakles) attacks
Charles Rambaud (Melange) follows
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) attacks

Km: 163, Gradient: 0
Esteban Miranda (Team Obk) attacks
JorgeLuis Ochoa (Team Obk) attacks
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks
Milton Margalef (High Flyer) attacks
Paul Hewitt (Looser) follows

Km: 162, Gradient: -1
Jean Sarradet (Melange) attacks
Nikolai Fadeiev (UCS-TPM-Durex) follows

Km: 161, Gradient: 1

Km: 160, Gradient: -1

Km: 159, Gradient: 0
Avinash Megha (Herakles) attacks
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) follows
Charles Rambaud (Melange) follows

Km: 158, Gradient: 0

Km: 157, Gradient: 0

Km: 156, Gradient: -1
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) attacks
Avinash Megha (Herakles) follows
Charles Rambaud (Melange) follows

Km: 155, Gradient: 1

Km: 154, Gradient: 0

Km: 153, Gradient: -1

Km: 152, Gradient: 1

Km: 151, Gradient: 0

Km: 150, Gradient: -1

Km: 149, Gradient: 2

Km: 148, Gradient: 0

Km: 147, Gradient: -1

Km: 146, Gradient: -2

Km: 145, Gradient: -1

Km: 144, Gradient: 0

Km: 143, Gradient: 0

Km: 142, Gradient: 1

Km: 141, Gradient: -1

Km: 140, Gradient: 1

Km: 139, Gradient: -1

Km: 138, Gradient: 0

Km: 137, Gradient: -2

Km: 136, Gradient: -2

Km: 135, Gradient: 0

Km: 134, Gradient: 0

Km: 133, Gradient: -1

Km: 132, Gradient: 3
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) cannot take relay

Km: 131, Gradient: 3

Km: 130, Gradient: 0

Km: 129, Gradient: 0

Km: 128, Gradient: 1

Km: 127, Gradient: -1

Km: 126, Gradient: 0

Km: 125, Gradient: 0
Jean Sarradet (Melange) attacks

Intermediate sprint:
1.Appa Pun (Herakles): 6
2.Nabil Dirar (Team Obk): 4
3.Charles Rambaud (Melange): 2

Km: 124, Gradient: 0
Nikolai Fadeiev (UCS-TPM-Durex) attacks

500 to go

450 to go

400 to go

350 to go

300 to go

250 to go

200 to go

150 to go

100 to go

50 to go

Km: 123, Gradient: -3
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 122, Gradient: 3
Milton Margalef (High Flyer) attacks
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks
Mathias Rundgreen (Team Obk) follows

Km: 121, Gradient: -3

Km: 120, Gradient: 3

Km: 119, Gradient: -2

Km: 118, Gradient: 2

Km: 117, Gradient: 0

Km: 116, Gradient: 0

Km: 115, Gradient: -1

Km: 114, Gradient: -1

Km: 113, Gradient: -1

Km: 112, Gradient: -2

Km: 111, Gradient: -2

Km: 110, Gradient: 0

Km: 109, Gradient: -1

Km: 108, Gradient: -1

Km: 107, Gradient: 0

Km: 106, Gradient: -1

Km: 105, Gradient: 0

Km: 104, Gradient: 0

Km: 103, Gradient: 0

Km: 102, Gradient: -1
Hugo Sabido (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Guglielmo Pianura (Bengals Udine) abandons
Francesco Marley (Bengals Udine) abandons
Bertolo Pianura (Bengals Udine) abandons
Carlos Bicos (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Dominges Goncalves (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Muge José (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
José Costa (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Ruben Guerreiro (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Barbaro Italiano (Bengals Udine) abandons
Giovanni Pianura (Bengals Udine) abandons
Roberto Sprint (Bengals Udine) abandons
Joni Brandao (JPCM ProTeam) abandons
Ilario Pianura (Bengals Udine) abandons

Km: 101, Gradient: 0

Km: 100, Gradient: 0

Km: 99, Gradient: -1

Km: 98, Gradient: 0

Km: 97, Gradient: -1

Km: 96, Gradient: -1

Km: 95, Gradient: 0

Km: 94, Gradient: -1

Km: 93, Gradient: 0
Levgueni Tarassov (UCS-TPM-Durex) attacks

Km: 92, Gradient: 0

Km: 91, Gradient: -1

Km: 90, Gradient: 0

Km: 89, Gradient: -2

Km: 88, Gradient: -1

Km: 87, Gradient: 0

Km: 86, Gradient: 0
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 85, Gradient: 0
Mathias Rundgreen (Team Obk) attacks
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen

Km: 84, Gradient: 0
Michele Pozzato (High Flyer) attacks
Peter Assange (Looser) follows
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen

Km: 83, Gradient: -1

Km: 82, Gradient: -1

Km: 81, Gradient: 0
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 80, Gradient: 0

Km: 79, Gradient: -1
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 78, Gradient: -1

Bergwertung 3. Kategorie:
1.Appa Pun (Herakles): 5
2.Nabil Dirar (Team Obk): 3
3.Charles Rambaud (Melange): 1

Km: 77, Gradient: 1

500 to go

450 to go

400 to go

350 to go

300 to go

250 to go

200 to go

150 to go

100 to go

50 to go

Km: 76, Gradient: 2

Km: 75, Gradient: 5

Km: 74, Gradient: 5

Km: 73, Gradient: 5
Klym Tschurjumow (High Flyer) cannot keep up

Km: 72, Gradient: 3

Km: 71, Gradient: 1

Km: 70, Gradient: 1

Km: 69, Gradient: 1

Km: 68, Gradient: 1

Km: 67, Gradient: 0

Km: 66, Gradient: 0

Km: 65, Gradient: 0

Km: 64, Gradient: 0

Km: 63, Gradient: 0

Km: 62, Gradient: 1

Km: 61, Gradient: 1

Km: 60, Gradient: 0

Km: 59, Gradient: 0

Km: 58, Gradient: 1

Km: 57, Gradient: 1

Km: 56, Gradient: 0

Km: 55, Gradient: 0
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 54, Gradient: 1
Frederic Coventry (High Flyer) attacks
Paul Hewitt (Looser) follows
Gert Taaramäe (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 53, Gradient: 1

Km: 52, Gradient: 0

Km: 51, Gradient: 0

Km: 50, Gradient: 0

Km: 49, Gradient: 1

Km: 48, Gradient: 0

Km: 47, Gradient: 0

Km: 46, Gradient: 0

Km: 45, Gradient: 1

Km: 44, Gradient: 1

Km: 43, Gradient: 0

Km: 42, Gradient: 0

Km: 41, Gradient: -1

Km: 40, Gradient: 0

Km: 39, Gradient: 0

Km: 38, Gradient: 0

Km: 37, Gradient: 0

Km: 36, Gradient: 1

Km: 35, Gradient: 1
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 34, Gradient: 0

Km: 33, Gradient: 0
Appa Pun (Herakles) attacks
Avinash Megha (Herakles) attacks

Km: 32, Gradient: 0
Charles Rambaud (Melange) attacks
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) follows


Km: 31, Gradient: 1
Klym Tschurjumow (High Flyer) is unable to escape

Km: 30, Gradient: 1
Avinash Megha (Herakles) is unable to escape

Km: 29, Gradient: 0
Milton Margalef (High Flyer) attacks
Hugh Murdoch (Looser) follows
Frederic Coventry (High Flyer) follows
Paul Hewitt (Looser) follows
Klym Tschurjumow (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 28, Gradient: 0

Km: 27, Gradient: 0

Km: 26, Gradient: 0

Km: 25, Gradient: 0

Km: 24, Gradient: 0

Km: 23, Gradient: -1

Km: 22, Gradient: 0

Km: 21, Gradient: 0
Appa Pun (Herakles) is unable to escape
Avinash Megha (Herakles) is unable to escape

Km: 20, Gradient: 1
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 19, Gradient: 1
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks
Frederic Coventry (High Flyer) attacks
Paul Hewitt (Looser) follows

Km: 18, Gradient: 0
Charles Rambaud (Melange) attacks
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) follows

Km: 17, Gradient: 1

Km: 16, Gradient: 0

Km: 15, Gradient: 0

Km: 14, Gradient: 0

Km: 13, Gradient: 1

Km: 12, Gradient: 1

Km: 11, Gradient: 0
Appa Pun (Herakles) is unable to escape
Avinash Megha (Herakles) is unable to escape

Km: 10, Gradient: 1

Km: 9, Gradient: 0
Nikolai Fadeiev (UCS-TPM-Durex) is unable to escape

Km: 8, Gradient: 0
Nabil Dirar (Team Obk) attacks

Km: 7, Gradient: 1
Frederic Coventry (High Flyer) attacks

Km: 6, Gradient: 0

Km: 5, Gradient: 0
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks
Hugh Murdoch (Looser) follows

Km: 4, Gradient: 0
Charles Rambaud (Melange) attacks

Km: 3, Gradient: 0

Km: 2, Gradient: 0

Km: 1, Gradient: 0
Milton Margalef (High Flyer) attacks
Vendelin Pucega (High Flyer) attacks
Hugh Murdoch (Looser) attacks
Charles Rambaud (Melange) attacks
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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by Obk » Fri May 27, 2016 5:56 pm

I agree with High Flyer! That was just unerealistic racing against him. Don't know what Looser wanted to achieve, that was bullshit.

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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by High Flyer » Tue May 31, 2016 7:29 pm

Will anything be done, or should I wait for next with him for it to happen again?
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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by Hunsrueck » Tue May 31, 2016 7:47 pm

fpc is reviewing this case

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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by High Flyer » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:26 pm

Hunsrueck wrote:fpc is reviewing this case
3 weeks later....
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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by Hunsrueck » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:36 pm

High Flyer wrote:
Hunsrueck wrote:fpc is reviewing this case
3 weeks later....
better late then never^^

The problem is that members of the FPC only give a suggestion from. The penalty then determines the head of the FPC ..... and that is Leso.
So we always have to wait for Leso.

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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by High Flyer » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:20 pm

Fair enough
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Re: 15h Fahrt Durch DenDuden: Looser

Post by High Flyer » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:45 pm

Seeing as he's racing again and it been over a month now.....
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