Why can't we ban teams like Betty, Lumbi, GasGas etc.

[Quick]

Teams who do nothing all race. Just suck and come in the end to win.I understand everyone is allowed to ride as they like and I have generally no problem with it, however I feel like these teamsdestroy the game and it might be the most/only fun they get out off it. Most are suspected multies too.

Maybe don't directly ban them but invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee.
Looking forward to get a response, especially from one of the accused teams.

[NicoVanarlo]

IMO, you can't force someone to ride,even if he's favo. It's sad but, it's he game. I don't like them too but i'm against this kind of fair-play rules.
Anyway, you can often beat them by riding more aggressively so, do it.

[Team ART]

Could be worth to check Lumbi and Gambrinus...

Both teams with with a team building that look like a multi-team. Same race-behaviour and same chat-attitude...which means sucking, dont paticipate on the chat and winning at the end with superior classic riders...

Could be twins...or a multi. If my suspicion is right, there could be more teams from this manager because the Gambrinus- and Lumbi-riders are getting old and it seems to be to late to replace them for younger ones.

[Hunsrueck]

Short check:

Gambrinus and Team Aut with the same IP---> viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4055&start=25

Team Lumbi and Gabel with the same IP today

[Rockstar Inc]

and all of them happily riding on

[chartreusecycle]

Why should they be ban ?

Same problem as team belloz / TUTTI FRUTTI (and 2 more teams...) IP check is useless, a multi team manager has just to say "we are brother" "we work in the same place".

I will probably ride VUELTA then using the same artefact.

[Team ART]

Jägermeistercycle?

I am watching you...

[Robyklebt]

We can ban them.
The question is why we should.

[flockmastoR]

If there are really teams around that always make ultra expensive teams for big tours and after that just start a new team we should 1) try to avoid that or 2) kill the rule that doesnt allows managers with just 1 team to race with minus money

Otherwise it would be just a way to bypass the rule

[luques]

Teams who do nothing all race. Just suck and come in the end to win.I understand everyone is allowed to ride as they like and I have generally no problem with it, however I feel like these teamsdestroy the game and it might be the most/only fun they get out off it. Most are suspected multies too.

Maybe don't directly ban them but invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee.
Looking forward to get a response, especially from one of the accused teams.

Always like the idea of making fairnesspoints count. At the moment they are useless, so I agree with this "invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee."

[Coroncina2]

Ansach: 1573 racè and 49 won.
Team Lumbi: 578 racè and 98 won.
In samè racè, Team Lumbi favo and off (sèèm not first timè). Ansach far no favo work much. Ansach attack (72 79 sprint 59 ) at -23 followèd by Team Lumbi (76 78 sprint 65 ) no comuncation but Ansach continuè alonè to work. at -3 Ansach attack and no onè follow but racè was ovèr with front at 1 min.
Timè to find anothèr way to control multy? or you want wait will almost all fair tèam will stop to play borèd of this?

[Coroncina2]

Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

[team fl]

Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

[Coroncina2]

Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

So when someone will help me to win without chance to win or I'll help a team killing my riders for 4° place would be normal.

[team fl]

Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

So when someone will help me to win without chance to win or I'll help a team killing my riders for 4° place would be normal.

Burn Coroncina!

[GoddelauerClub]

than please ban the offline rider Sierra de Madrid too
He is a parasite

[luques]

I still think that everybody during the race is free to make the tactic he prefer.
I like anyway the first proposal by Quick.

[Quick]

I still think that everybody during the race is free to make the tactic he prefer.
I like anyway the first proposal by Quick.

Me too, still.