Team-Attack ONCE-Team 23h Gevaudan

[Rockstar Inc]

Km: 140, Steigung: 10
Nunos Silvas (suffabike) attackiert
Manueles Fff (suffabike) schafft es nicht auszureissen
Enrique Dubois (reds devils) attackiert
Vladislav Andrianov (ONCE-Team) attackiert
Remus Avranescu (NoPikouze) geht mit
Harsh Bahuguna (ATB - Racing) attackiert
Alberte Contador (Les Bergzieges) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Mauricio Ortega (ONCE-Team) attackiert
Michail Lermontow (ATB - Racing) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Ruggiero Rizzitelli (Les Bergzieges) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Pete Murdoc (Jotowaso) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Laurens TenDam (ONCE-Team) attackiert
Joaquim Santos (Virtudes) schafft es nicht mitzugehen
Angelito Aureliano (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Gaetan Lofreiche (reds devils) kann nicht mithalten
Aquilino Aureliano (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Michael Dubois (reds devils) kann nicht mithalten
Angelino Aureliano (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Tom Bounen (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Phille Gilbert (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Ricky Gervais (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Giulio Masi (AS St Etienne) kann nicht mithalten
Timothy Spencer (lesossies) kann nicht mithalten
Paul Denian (lesossies) kann nicht mithalten
Jermaine Ribery (Jotowaso) kann nicht mithalten
Roger Kluge (Jotowaso) kann nicht mithalten
Dominick Margin (Jotowaso) kann nicht mithalten
Jonathan White (Jotowaso) kann nicht mithalten
Jefferson Airplane (Les Bergzieges) kann nicht mithalten
Jonah Fall (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
Stephane Paillard (AS St Etienne) kann nicht mithalten
Raiymbek Kudayberdy (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Vicente Mericano (reds devils) kann nicht mithalten
Hannes Doppler (CircleCycle) kann nicht mithalten
Harald Hannevold (duffbeer) kann nicht mithalten
Herve Dugesclin (lesossies) kann nicht mithalten
Angelo Aureliano (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Joses Russo (suffabike) kann nicht mithalten
Manueles Fff (suffabike) kann nicht mithalten
Guilherm Carvalho (Virtudes) kann nicht mithalten
Pierre Zebo (Team-Mojabahs) kann nicht mithalten
Alberto Antunes (Virtudes) kann nicht mithalten
Anastacio Rocha (Virtudes) kann nicht mithalten
Felix Suarez (duffbeer) kann nicht mithalten
Sam Miller (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
Jorge Maldonado (boktorense) kann nicht mithalten
Evaldo Bossaagan (boktorense) kann nicht mithalten
Reiner Unhold (Les Bergzieges) kann nicht mithalten
Wigald Mondgesang (Les Bergzieges) kann nicht mithalten
Anastacio Almeida (Virtudes) kann nicht mithalten
Oscar Kvist (duffbeer) kann nicht mithalten
Mick Abrahams (AS St Etienne) kann nicht mithalten
Moses Heine (Virtudes) kann nicht mithalten
Kenny deJager (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Richard Vanpelt (boktorense) kann nicht mithalten
Tom Henderson (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
David FosterWallace (Les Bergzieges) kann nicht mithalten
Giovanne Kiekebusch (ATB - Racing) kann nicht mithalten
Ingo Eigner (CircleCycle) kann nicht mithalten
Asso Sankara (Team-Mojabahs) kann nicht mithalten
Boris Widlock (lesossies) kann nicht mithalten
Evan Midlarsky (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
Wesley Zwizanski (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
Dayou Baosa (boktorense) kann nicht mithalten
Wout Achtergaele (ATB - Racing) kann nicht mithalten
Erwin Schoitl (CircleCycle) kann nicht mithalten
Joar Lundwall (CircleCycle) kann nicht mithalten
LeatiJoseph Anoai (Rockstar Inc) kann nicht mithalten
Bob Kamau (Team-Mojabahs) kann nicht mithalten
Jorah Mormont (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Henry Hudson (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Marius Züll (Les Bergzieges) kann nicht mithalten
Ganesh Sherpa (lesossies) kann nicht mithalten
Jonathan Joker (ATB - Racing) kann nicht mithalten
Franco Modigliani (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Javier Perez (boktorense) kann nicht mithalten
Magnus Lindholm (duffbeer) kann nicht mithalten
Jesper Dahlström (ONCE-Team) kann nicht mithalten
Rodrik Cassel (NoPikouze) kann nicht mithalten
Oscar Schuster (ATB - Racing) kann nicht mithalten
Jonathan TiernanLocke (ONCE-Team) kann nicht mithalten
Eddie Lennon (duffbeer) kann nicht mithalten
Jarno Cantante (jumpers-team) kann nicht mithalten
Abdou Balima (Team-Mojabahs) kann nicht mithalten
Kjell Skargaard (AS St Etienne) kann nicht mithalten
Rudi Gneisser (CircleCycle) kann nicht mithalten
Walt Work (Jotowaso) kann nicht mithalten
Kees Luijckx (ATB - Racing) kann nicht mithalten
Richard Vanpelt (boktorense) l�sst sich zur�ckfallen
LeatiJoseph Anoai (Rockstar Inc) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

stage has 163 km...so not inside the last 10km

i mentioned the teamattack 3,4 km after it happened...we now have km 152 and no rider went back to the peloton...

a part of the chat...i cut the first some km...

ATB - Racing: btw. leso?
lesossies: the problem is that the 3 attacked
ONCE-Team: aber diese regel setzt die doch außer kraft!
Les Bergzieges: I think you should be forced to let 2 guys drop now. At least
ATB - Racing: es geht um Regel 1
Les Bergzieges: wow...
ATB - Racing: once ist aber kein VERKETTETER angriff
ONCE-Team: also unfair fahren will ich nicht!
NoPikouze: reah the first sentence...
ONCE-Team: nochmal genau lesen
ONCE-Team: 3. Verkettete Teamangriffe.Darunter wird verstanden: Mehr als 2 eigene Fahrer, die durch Angreifen oder mitgehen innerhalb eines Kilometers aus einer Gruppe flüchten.Diese Regel gilt nicht, wenn mehr als 10 Fahrer aus mindestens vier Mannschaften gleichzeitig aus der selben Ursprungsgruppe flüchten oder die Ursprungsgruppe zum Zeitpunkt des Angriffs weniger als 15 Fahrer hat.Sie gilt ebenfalls nicht an einem Kilometer mit Steigungen von 4% oder höher, sowie in den letzten 20Km eines Rennens.
Les Bergzieges: hm Once... maybe you should let one fall back before the last km
ATB - Racing: @ bergzieges .... what a sausage are you?
Rockstar Inc: doesn't matter what you think...just let fall back a rider...a rider i mentioned before
ONCE-Team: adrianov worked the whole mountain!
ATB - Racing: just reread rule 1
NoPikouze: now adrianov is making tempo, are you kidding
ONCE-Team: guys i really think it was right..
Rockstar Inc: the guy who didn't work so far...or the guy who worked the less km
ONCE-Team: or who should go back?
Les Bergzieges: ignoring is the best solution for most problems
ONCE-Team: but i am really sure
ONCE-Team: back
ONCE-Team: okay ortega
ATB - Racing: leso????
ATB - Racing: let Andrianov drop
NoPikouze: once stop it we KNOW the rules
ATB - Racing: its against rule 1
ATB - Racing: once read again
ATB - Racing: well Andrianow worked less than the others
ONCE-Team: some weeks ago there was someone who makes the same. i was thinking like you. but i read the rules
Rockstar Inc: well...
NoPikouze: all have worked haha ^^
ATB - Racing: once
ATB - Racing: oh right Rock
Rockstar Inc: well...one guy has to go back...a guy who hasn't worked so far please
Rockstar Inc: was no chained attack...was an attack, like it is forbidden in paragraph 1
NoPikouze: nope... allowed is with following, not attacking yourself
Rockstar Inc: rule 1 my friend
Rockstar Inc: haha
ONCE-Team: read the rules
ONCE-Team: at 4% or more its aloud
NoPikouze: not even the 20 ^^
Rockstar Inc: btw. once...3 guys at the same km...and we're not inside the last 10 km
ATB - Racing: hm TenDam with form for tomorrow?
reds devils: no virtudes ,
ATB - Racing: gooooone
Virtudes: reds enrique off please
NoPikouze: where are all the climbers ??
duffbeer: but take it if possible
ATB - Racing: perhaps
duffbeer: and last who has better helpers teamlogo lol
ATB - Racing: leso should know it
ATB - Racing: if that is equal as well? ....
ATB - Racing: if that is equal as well it should be points classement
duffbeer: danke atb
ONCE-Team: haha, he knows what you will do
Les Bergzieges: shhhhh don't scream so loud
ATB - Racing: gc position
duffbeer: WHO GETSCJERSEY WHEN BOTH SAME POINTS
Les Bergzieges: wow, jumpers got me decoded
ATB - Racing: now the race starts
NoPikouze: duffbeer better to save your energy until the hill
duffbeer: i know just last points ^^^
NoPikouze: have i almost won ?
boktorense: too long flat for us

[Rockstar Inc]

update...a few km later a rider went back...


Rockstar Inc: thx..don't ask me how...but thx
ONCE-Team: good evening all. really didnt know it better. think everything is okay, because i had a disadvantage because of my mistake against the rules.
Les Bergzieges: gw rock
ATB - Racing: buguser?
Team-Mojabahs: gw
ATB - Racing: gw
NoPikouze: buguser
boktorense: byew
duffbeer: thx all good night
Rockstar Inc: what the fuck
NoPikouze: fantastic race, bye ^^
Virtudes: gw
ONCE-Team: gw rockstar 7
ATB - Racing: go Remus go Remus
ATB - Racing: this is .... ridicoulus
ATB - Racing: etienne out of harshs way
Rockstar Inc: praise the intuitive system
NoPikouze: one who covers his sprinter with a shithelper, another who leaves a gapp because he doesnt follow the guy in front... wuhuu
ATB - Racing: damned .... esche on lermontow would have been perfect
NoPikouze: what a great "tactics"
NoPikouze: hey come on dont ride for yellow! :p
NoPikouze: haha
ONCE-Team: he worked 1 or 2 kms
ATB - Racing: well idiotenfeld ... you were the only one who recognized it
ONCE-Team: he didnt help
ONCE-Team: next km
Rockstar Inc: since 1,2 minutes
Rockstar Inc: thread is open
ATB - Racing: or will leso take care?
NoPikouze: a threat for sure
ATB - Racing: should we open a thread?
Rockstar Inc: dann war es n idiotenfeld, was es net besser weiss
ATB - Racing: dann war es falsch
NoPikouze: damn
Les Bergzieges: lohnt schon gar nicht mehr Once
ONCE-Team: aber hab schon erlebt dass die regeln so angewendet werden wie ich es gerade gemacht habe7
ATB - Racing: hab schon mal vorgeschlagen, das noch zu ergänzen: Es gelten immer alle 3 Regeln
Les Bergzieges: lol
Rockstar Inc: unwissenheit schützt vor strafe nicht
ONCE-Team: okay, ich werde ortega fallen lassen
ATB - Racing: nein, die regeln setzen sich nicht außer kraft, die gelten immer alle
Les Bergzieges: 10 km gone by...
ONCE-Team: so hab ich es bisher immer verstanden
NoPikouze: the 4% thing is only for rule 3

[radekdeboktor]

And some Km after that, when Nopick had a scaped rider, Once made tempo with 2 weak riders and a tired one to slow down the peloton.

[team fl]

And some Km after that, when Nopick had a scaped rider, Once made tempo with 2 weak riders and a tired one to slow down the peloton.

Which is not gentleman like but also not against any C4F rules.

[radekdeboktor]

And some Km after that, when Nopick had a scaped rider, Once made tempo with 2 weak riders and a tired one to slow down the peloton.

Which is not gentleman like but also not against any C4F rules.

From fairplay rules:

- every manager must do the best for his team . Separation of private and RSF is required.

A team is scaped, other team slows down peloton, how can this be considered the best for his team?

[team fl]

Well, I don't know the exact situation at that point. But still hard to tell that ONCE was willingly doing a revenge act in the peloton. Anyway, a member of the FC may have more insight in such cases.

[luques]

Two things:

1) The attack of ONCE was a team attack, a violation of the first fairplay rule (attacks with more than 2 riders are not allowed in the same km), it's not the first time that a manager doesn't understand that third and first rule "live" together, and one doesn't eliminate the other.
Maybe we should write it a bit more clearly?

2) About boktor, didn't see all the race, just some parts but as i saw Once wearing the yellow shirt at the end i think he did his interests

Are you sure he didn't slow down the peloton to avoid that someone could take boni? I mean sometimes it's better letting a not dangerous escape go instead of fighting till the end. (Even if i don't like too the slowing down the peloton move)

[NoPikouze]

I dont think he slowed the peloton with his 70-84 who hadn't done anything before the last kms...
Anyway it's not relevant. Or should we also talk about people who put their own 50 sprintguy in the wheel of their sprintleader (with 65 or 68), in order to avoid being followed, and by this kicking other leaders 10 places further back ? That would be a more sensible issue indeed

[Les Bergzieges]

About the attack: it was a team attack, as Rockstar noticed and mentioned in the chat. That stuff happens. What to me was unpleasant is the fact that Once kept disussing for ten minutes despite three experienced managers in the race telling him it was against the rules. What was even more unpleasant is that he kept riding all the time (15-20 km?) in front with his three riders taking turns (even after he said he would let one rider fall back).