r TAKA attacks Hansa for being part of the FPC

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Ansach(21:46): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With Murodbek a lot of people could have won
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With my team there is no winning everything for a long time now
Mintsprint(21:34): gw
Carrera Blue Jeans(21:34): gw and good night@all
r TAKA(21:33): from winning everything to winning just one stage?
RSVBenrath(21:32): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): That's a very big weight off my shoulders
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): Thanks
Team Trojer Vellau(21:32): Gw
Hansa(21:32): gw Tukh^^
OLcycle(21:32): gw, incredibly strong Piskun today !
Hansa(21:31): he can try for P2 xD
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): So Piskun doesn't even need to try?
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): This looks really close
Hansa(21:30): and Piskun now will get David in his wheel the rest of the tour
OLcycle(21:29): my yes was to Hansa's sentence
OLcycle(21:29): yes
r TAKA(21:29): Tukh new winner today?
Hansa(21:29): if he survives km 97 he probably hangs on to me till 136
OLcycle(21:28): yes, on the last km of pavé he got sieb. bad luck, probably something about a few energy points
Tukhtahuaev(21:28): Would have needed to use Taiwia who I expected to need to have chances for the stage
OLcycle(21:28): yes, but using them a lot today could have been costly for the rest of the stage race. probably you'd have caught us, but at what energy price
Hansa(21:28): Confidential Era was extremely close to save his GC chances there btw^^
Hansa(21:27): but yeah could have tried
Hansa(21:27): i had still 2 pretty fit flat riders at that point
Tukhtahuaev(21:26): Thought about that for a bit, but decided the gamble is too risky
OLcycle(21:25): when Tukh did the early sieb, I thought he'd try to push and see if others would help him to force you to work hard to come back
Hansa(21:25): but yeah i am fine with that minute but mostly because i put so much time into the classics already^^
Hansa(21:25): in both earlier editions it was a lot less
OLcycle(21:24): yeah, but still just a minute
Hansa(21:20): thats why i tried to put as much time as possible into the classics on day 2^^^
OLcycle(21:18): autotempo in grupetto for info
Hansa(20:43): so you tried to drop back but didnt manage to do it ok, no bad intention then all fine
r TAKA(20:42): yes I wanted to attack with one and let the other wait for peloton but not sure what happened. But you're trying to convince me I had to drop back the guy that attacked twice because he's more fit
Hansa(20:39): taka you even attacked a 2nd time from that team attack instead of react to it and solve it, you are an experienced manager i would have expected to solve that immedietely
r TAKA(20:38): if you can't see what happened with Culi I'd understand you wouldnt see what hapened after the teamattack
OLcycle(20:38): he rode and sprinted today already + followed an attack
Hansa(20:38): ah he was in escape nvm
Hansa(20:37): cant imagine he wasnt fit from yesterday
Hansa(20:37): tired from today? because then thats still 11 sprint^^
OLcycle(20:37): Culi was a bit tired as you can imagine
Hansa(20:36): Elmas beating Culibaba 50m vs 50m?
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:33): Confi, use Mustafa, it is your best flattie
r TAKA(20:27): Team Lifehead tempo in the back?
r TAKA(20:19): ok if you insist
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:17): Lifehead whats the sense of siebing your rider ?
Hansa(20:17): he rode tempo till he was caught in that moment its not ok
Hansa(20:17): he didnt wait
r TAKA(20:17): no it was fine right after my rider waited for the peloton
Hansa(20:16): its fine now anyways with only 1 taka in front
Tukhtahuaev(20:16): Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention at the start
Hansa(20:16): so you want to tell me there was no advantage of your team attack when you kept the 2 fit guys in front?
r TAKA(20:15): you still should leave the fpk if you handle things like this
Hansa(20:13): plain to the rules there is no resolving the team attack anyways
r TAKA(20:13): but still they both worked, the other one even attacked again by mistake and wasted more energy
r TAKA(20:13): how it's resolved is not written in the rules, just because you're used to do it in a certain way I don't have to do the same.
Hansa(20:11): you cant attack with 3 ride with 1 of them a couple kms and then keep the 2 fresh ones in front
Hansa(20:11): the one you rode tempo with and got you an advantage was caught back (not even by your decision) thats not how usually a team attack is seen as resolved
r TAKA(20:10): you should really leave the fpk
r TAKA(20:10): I attacked with 3 one was back and its over
RSVBenrath(20:08): uff lifehead is wake up
Hansa(20:07): i actually do understand the rules
r TAKA(20:07): why are you still in the fpk if you can't understand the rules?
Hansa(20:07): sure after taka even insults i probably do after the race
OLcycle(20:06): you can open a thread then Hansa
Hansa(20:06): its also not really resolved with osaka back btw
r TAKA(20:05): are you an idiot?
OLcycle(20:05): then he must stop with Osako
OLcycle(20:05): ok
Hansa(20:04): no its not he still has an advantage of sending 3 in front as he didnt drop one but the one he rode with got caught
OLcycle(20:04): as he got caught and attacked again, still not ok ?
RSVBenrath(20:04): jepp
RSVBenrath(20:03): hansa dont let a third taka go
Hansa(20:03): not resolved
Hansa(20:03): its still a taka team attack
RSVBenrath(20:03): lets r4ide in front
OLcycle(20:03): seems that hansa won't allow 3 of one team in front, let's go like that ?
Hansa(20:01): moin
Hansa(20:01): taka you know that not allowed?
OLcycle(19:53): hi !
Ansach(19:52): hi
RSVBenrath(19:47): hey
Tukhtahuaev(19:47): Hello
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Taka attacks Hansa here in a way that is, at the very least, borderline in my opinion. Hansa is attacked here for his role in the FPC, even if he does not act in that capacity. Asking if he is an idiot is for me a pejorative label even if it is framed as a question.

Bullying or harassment of other players without insulting them directly, e.g. by sending repeated threats, pejorative labels, hate speech, sexual remarks, or posting false statements as facts, aimed at discrediting or humiliating a targeted player;

The rest is an attack on a volunteer. It is okay to discuss the disagreement (there is no case, as it got resolved within the race), but attacking Hansa for his FPC role without any context looks like a rule break as well.

Defamatory false accusations of players in their role as a volunteer (Developer, FPC member, NC member, Calendar Manager, Race Designer or other role), in particular falsely accusing them of manipulations to their own advantage with the effect of harming the game’s reputation.

For me, this is a case to ask where the line should be drawn. I am sure it is possible to disagree or even have heated debates without getting personal. I know you will get more cases like this if you find this, but some managers will always move on the edge, wherever you draw the line. It is really a question of what kind of conversation we want in the game.