R Taka again

[schappy]

He told to 41 Teams, they are "the evil" is for me to a hate speech:

Members list:

The Good:
r TAKA
Big Donkey
Pokemonogatari
Trekken Racing
Alpacas
Team FL
Carrera Blue Jeans
Team Trojer Vellau
CircleCycle
Radunion
Christie
Falcor CC
stevens
ECS Cycling
SouthWest Packers
waerl
BeaconSV
Vikings Berlin
Wiener Zentralfriedhof RV
OLcycle
TDMLuxembourg
ATB - Racing
Hoefs Cycling Team
Wolfpack Cycling Team
rsv lünen
Team-Mojabahs
Rohazon RC
Team Bitibert


The Evil:
Alkworld
RV Allagen
SweetLemmon
Schappy
Bugatti
Allrad
SV Furpach
bergwerk
Schartner Bombe
Dreizehn
Narrenparty
F C PORTO
Czech lions
Atletico Lula
Felsenland
Elaska
Hansa
Rsc Spree
S L Benfica
Romoc Riders
FSG Sattelpuper
Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team
zizou
CreditPommes
Marlhou
Ansach
Team Dagestan
Kreatief
Tukhtahuaev
Liberty Sarténe
Gipfelstuermer
Vives le velos
Black-Star
RSV Gera
O Imperdor
Fraegg
Medical Service
r FSCL
FB Radsport Team
Nash Team

[TDM_Luxembourg]

FPC is investigating the case

[TDM_Luxembourg]

It is 39 teams though, 40 on the list but Liberty is banned

[cataracs]

FPC is investigating the case

You don't have to do this every time someone opens a thread...maybe instead try to stop him with this annoying childish accusations that don't sotp??

[bergwerk cycling]

FPC is investigating the case

You don't have to do this every time someone opens a thread...maybe instead try to stop him with this annoying childish accusations that don't sotp??

looks like you want reactions for all your stupid things ... your welcome!

It's long overdue to eradicate the root of all evil!

It would be better if you were still a child, then perhaps what you're doing here could be excused!

[cataracs]

FPC is investigating the case

You don't have to do this every time someone opens a thread...maybe instead try to stop him with this annoying childish accusations that don't sotp??

looks like you want reactions for all your stupid things ... your welcome!

It's long overdue to eradicate the root of all evil!

It would be better if you were still a child, then perhaps what you're doing here could be excused!

Keep on crying BW

[bergwerk cycling]

Clapp my hands for the famoused manager of all times

sing ja ja jipppi jipppi jeahhh .... and it gives popcorn for all

[Bear]

I am not even on one of the lists

[ATB - Racing]

I am not even on one of the lists

Crazy also missing!

[NBeullens]

FPC Decision: 100k fine for r TAKA

[team fl]

FPC Decision: 100k fine for r TAKA

why? are you serious?

[Robyklebt]

Completely wrong decision.

1) Taka's list was a net positive. It gave life and a bit of fun in the forum and general chat (I think, not going to check the chat) to a few people for a few hours. How many people actually feel insulted by that list?Actually as opposed to claim to be. Read the thread again, it's mostly people having fun. Nobody really cares. Nobody is basing his opinion of anybody on that list on that list. (Not even Taka himself) If anything some Streisand effect now... I'll now try to memorize the list. Would help if you could post it ingame on the home page!

2) As far as insults and hate speech goes "evil" is useless. You're evil! Uaaaa, such an insult. Please. "Evil" is a simplistic childish concept, good for Harry Potter, the bible, and similar idiocies (I look foward to the new threads opened for this one). Evil. I can fill pages of the forum with better insults, topped by the immortal "Wichser", that only the most evil of users use

3) What this does is not "punish" Taka, or send him a sign to be less confrontational (the thread isn't even confrontational, just in the wrong sub-forum really). It further destroys the chats, the forum, communication in general. What we take from this post is that you shouldn't say anything that could be even remotely controversial. Actually in a way it would be even more healthy if 2 people went at it with a big nice volley of actual insults, even if it's just some "assholes" thrown around than how the "whiners" and "insult reporters" have made it, now with even more help from the FPC. You have to work by innuendo, it's a win for the snakes, the toxic whiners. It's a loss for the game. In the end it makes the game more toxic, because at this point you can't even say "that was evil tempo" anymore. Not after this decision. Regardless of how serious that charge of "evil tempo" is. You have to expect somebody to report it. Of course it's mostly targeted reporting that happens, it's basically trying to shut up a few people by intimidation. And that's what this decision here supports, it's intimidation, the threat of prosecution.

Can only the accused demand a review? If not, I demand one immediately.
If yes, I first then demand to be charged as co-conspirator in this case (not in the one where I posted my own well thought out list of good and evil users). After all I made Taka post the list, he threatened to put me in the evil list, so asked him to tell me who was in that list, later that evening he posted this oh so insulting list in the forum. And after I'm a co-conspirator, which I should be, I mean, maybe I'm even the evil puppetmaster in teh background, who manipulated innocent Taka into posting this list, then I should even get a bigger share of the fine, but I need to be charged for that! I'll start a campaign!

[team fl]

Adrian Wichser likes to complain about him being mentioned in this topic.

[Elaska]

Even if I m on the evil part, I don't understand this decision too.

Sorry to say that but lately lots of fpc decisions don't make a lot of sense...

[Falcor CC]

Let me elaborate here on behalf of FPC:

While this post is mostly harmless - which fpc unanimously agreed upon - a few people felt offended. Coincidentally, these people are the same ones that have been offended by Taka a lot recently. On one hand, we would suggest these people to just sit back, relax and don't take the provoking too serious. On the other hand, we do not want to invite a culture where people are constantly offended and unable to have a fun time while playing the game. So, we fined Taka. Not because of the list, which we deemed not fineable as a standalone act, but because of the accumulation of recent cases and people being offended by r Taka.

Ps. speaking entirely for myself now: the list and discussion after were hilarious.

Edit: Taka has 3 days to appeal the decision of course.

[team fl]

Let me elaborate here on behalf of FPC:

While this post is mostly harmless - which fpc unanimously agreed upon - a few people felt offended. Coincidentally, these people are the same ones that have been offended by Taka a lot recently. On one hand, we would suggest these people to just sit back, relax and don't take the provoking too serious.

There is one accusor, that's Schappy and a very agitated bergwerk (who himself called somebody evil and the devil in this thread as far as I remember). And just because they feel offended doesn't mean that they are right. We have to acknowledge their feelings, but we must not take it as proof for the accusation alone.

You cannot just fine somebody because of a subjective feeling. A fine needs an objective reasoning; a decision if the felt offensive act is an offensive act objectively according to the rules and standards of the game. You clearly stated that the list itself is not.

On the other hand, we do not want to invite a culture where people are constantly offended and unable to have a fun time while playing the game. So, we fined Taka. Not because of the list, which we deemed not fineable as a standalone act, but because of the accumulation of recent cases and people being offended by r Taka.

And now you fined r TAKA not because of what he is accused of and what he did by objective reasoning, but of what he stands for or will do? Or otheres will do? That's not only wrong, it's dangerous. As this Robyklebt wrote already under his point 3), which I gladly post here again:

3) What this does is not "punish" Taka, or send him a sign to be less confrontational (the thread isn't even confrontational, just in the wrong sub-forum really). It further destroys the chats, the forum, communication in general. What we take from this post is that you shouldn't say anything that could be even remotely controversial. Actually in a way it would be even more healthy if 2 people went at it with a big nice volley of actual insults, even if it's just some "assholes" thrown around than how the "whiners" and "insult reporters" have made it, now with even more help from the FPC. You have to work by innuendo, it's a win for the snakes, the toxic whiners. It's a loss for the game. In the end it makes the game more toxic, because at this point you can't even say "that was evil tempo" anymore. Not after this decision. Regardless of how serious that charge of "evil tempo" is. You have to expect somebody to report it. Of course it's mostly targeted reporting that happens, it's basically trying to shut up a few people by intimidation. And that's what this decision here supports, it's intimidation, the threat of prosecution.

[Robyklebt]

Ok, let's do another post here to finish the day: (or start the new one in my case)

What happened here, looking at Falcor's post is: Taka is punished despite this list not being a punishable offense. But because he's a repeat offender. Not an offender this time! In the past. Cases that have been handled and are finished. He's been punished, (quite severely too in some cases) in the past, now this list, unanimously regarded as not fineable by the FPC, becomes fineable because of old cases.

a few people felt offended. Coincidentally, these people are the same ones that have been offended by Taka a lot recently.

2 guys. And one basically opens a thread in every case he feels offended, so easy to see when he was last offended by Taka. The last one he opened on Taka was in April. No fine. The one before in February. 500k fine, which seems overdoing it to me. The reasoning was: Taka is a repeat offender. Ok, maybe was warranted, not really up to date on all Taka stuff.

But then giving him the same treatment "being a repeat offender" in a case where the case itself was viewed as "not an offense" somehow looks like double jeopardy. Or is it because there was no fine for the April case? Or cases opened by other people recently? A lot recently sounds wrong, the repeat offender clause is being misused in my view if there isn't even an offense. As for the second one complaining, I don't know exactly when that started, but not only recently, for quite a while now it's actually been that complainer (BW) that has been more "offending" and less on the receiving end. Don't doubt that Taka hasn't been the perfect gentleman to BW in the past, don't doubt that he probably started the feud, but in the races that I rode with both, "recently" (as in quite a while) BW has even been the more aggressive of the 2. Faulty memory maybe.

In general what is happening a bit too here is: Taka is good at provoking, insulting.. it's his fault. The fact that he gets provoked and insulted quite a lot is forgotten, by never reporting it he doesn't help himself. But from personal experience I can say that once you have the (deserved) reputation of being somebody not afraid of handing out insults, somehow you are regarded as "less worthy of protection". He can take it, he can defend himself. Mostly true, but if it then becomes "he has to be fined when he insults, he has to take it when he is getting insulted" something is wrong. And that is what tends to happen with people like Taka too. He right now is probably the guy in the game that provokes the most. Insults the most. But he's also the guy that gets provoked and insulted the most. Something that the FPC should take into account too when dealing with Taka cases, he asks for it with his behaviour is ok as long as the treatment by the FPC is the same, no fines all around, but fines (repeat offender!) if he's the offender, no fines (he has to take shit with all he hands out) when others do the insulting, that's wrong. Sometimes his reputation might work in his favor too, I'm aware of that, a case that could go both ways, "come on, that's just Taka being Taka, no fine". Can happen too, true. But the opposite, described ad nauseam above, happens at least as often I'd say.

Appeal, can only Taka appeal? Or others too. In case others can, I'd like to, in case somebody is unsure about my opinion on this case, I think it's a completely wrong decision. Scandalously wrong. After all this case doesn't only concern Taka, it basically impacts everybody, what can we still say without being dragged in front of a FPC tribunal by the rabid Donkey or some other protector of people's feelings?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Since I've left FPC (for workload reasons / not dissatisfaction) I don't often comment on FPC judgement, but given the recent influx of comments, I would like to leave some thoughts about this case:

1.) In my opinion labelling someone as "Trash" is more problematic than labelling someone as "evil".
2.) The rules on offensive language clearly state that repeated offensive language is more problematic than one-time single occasions:

Bullying or harassment of other players without insulting them directly, e.g. by sending repeated threats, pejorative labels, hate speech, sexual remarks, or posting false statements as facts, aimed at discrediting or humiliating a targeted player;

3.) In isolation, the individual decisions ("Trash" -> No Fine / "evil" -> Fine) may seem odd, but when looking at them as repeated offensive language, the decisions are probably more understandable (even if the order of events was perhaps unfortunate / not ideal).

[cataracs]

Since I've left FPC (for workload reasons / not dissatisfaction) I don't often comment on FPC judgement, but given the recent influx of comments, I would like to leave some thoughts about this case:

1.) In my opinion labelling someone as "Trash" is more problematic than labelling someone as "evil".
2.) The rules on offensive language clearly state that repeated offensive language is more problematic than one-time single occasions:

Bullying or harassment of other players without insulting them directly, e.g. by sending repeated threats, pejorative labels, hate speech, sexual remarks, or posting false statements as facts, aimed at discrediting or humiliating a targeted player;

3.) In isolation, the individual decisions ("Trash" -> No Fine / "evil" -> Fine) may seem odd, but when looking at them as repeated offensive language, the decisions are probably more understandable (even if the order of events was perhaps unfortunate / not ideal).

Repeated offense and repeated bullshit reports are two different things.

[bergwerk cycling]

But only one do both ... And than?

[schappy]

Since I've left FPC (for workload reasons / not dissatisfaction) I don't often comment on FPC judgement, but given the recent influx of comments, I would like to leave some thoughts about this case:

1.) In my opinion labelling someone as "Trash" is more problematic than labelling someone as "evil".
2.) The rules on offensive language clearly state that repeated offensive language is more problematic than one-time single occasions:

Bullying or harassment of other players without insulting them directly, e.g. by sending repeated threats, pejorative labels, hate speech, sexual remarks, or posting false statements as facts, aimed at discrediting or humiliating a targeted player;

3.) In isolation, the individual decisions ("Trash" -> No Fine / "evil" -> Fine) may seem odd, but when looking at them as repeated offensive language, the decisions are probably more understandable (even if the order of events was perhaps unfortunate / not ideal).

evil and "the evil" are differnt thinks. "The Evil" in my culture circle means the absolutely evil, one of the highest insult you can use in my community. But of course its everytime a subject think,

[cataracs]

FPC Decision: 100k fine for r TAKA

You(the FPK) could explain what's the fine for.

[Hansa]

FPC Decision: 100k fine for r TAKA

You(the FPK) could explain what's the fine for.

The fine is for repeatedly provoking other teams, the case isolated might not seem like a big deal, but in sum its creating a toxic athmosphere. The decision by the FPC took in consideration older cases of provoking and insulting other teams which you were warned and fined for multiple times.
As you didnt stop these provocations you received that fine.

For future cases your history will still be considered.

[cataracs]

FPC Decision: 100k fine for r TAKA

You(the FPK) could explain what's the fine for.

The fine is for repeatedly provoking other teams, the case isolated might not seem like a big deal, but in sum its creating a toxic athmosphere. The decision by the FPC took in consideration older cases of provoking and insulting other teams which you were warned and fined for multiple times.
As you didnt stop these provocations you received that fine.

For future cases your history will still be considered.

Can you screenshot or quote me my cases and my history? I only can see two fines in game (both are 500k fines ).

[cataracs]

If you can't explain you need to cancel my unjust fine. Where are the provocations?? Who feels provocated? Where are the insults? I just wrote my opinion about some teams' ways of riding.

If you(plural)are in the FPK and bully me because you don't like me then step down.