Clarifying of the Team attack Rules (Team attack Ansach

[Hansa]

Vietnam stage 5 19h Race.

It doesnt influence the race, still would like to clarify the case because next time it may have an influence.
I don not demand any charges i only want to clarify this case.

Km: 164, Steigung: 2
Fritz Schell (Ansach) attackiert
Jona Lappalainen (NoMoreLulz) geht mit
Azwar Supriyanto (Falkenbier) attackiert
Martin Lexer (Ansach) attackiert
Knut Etzelsdorfer (Ansach) attackiert

Hansa: we still should clarifiy it with the fairplay comitee just that it wont happen again. next time it may have an influence
Team Armorique: fair
Team Armorique: anyway no influence on the race, do not blame ansach who is a fai player
Hansa: heiße Hanse im Forum
Hansa: dann schick mal ansach
Hansa: still al guys in front so he doesnt understood
Team Armorique: c'est pas ton intérêt en plus
Falkenbier: No he didn't understand it seems...
RideforMoney: ansach understood.dont need to blame.him
Team Armorique: p: rfm tu vas l'aider quand même lol
Ansach: I send you
Hansa: definitiv 100% verboten da gibts gar nichts zu diskutieren
NoMoreLulz: I wohnt Sprint idf, I will only follow btw. on the app
Ansach: sorry I gave it up
Hansa: regel nummer 1 mit mehr als 2 fahrern attackieren ist verboten du hast mit 3 fahrern attackiert
Falkenbier: We don't need them. Rule 1 doesn't allow you to attack with more than 2 guys at the same km
Hansa: 3 attack on 1 km
Hansa: it is against rule numer 1
Ansach: I can give you the pages of my discussion
Team Armorique: bah dommage malo aurait été lç aussi çà aurait pu être cool, j'espérais surtout le gars de mélange, jean..
RideforMoney: jai hésité avec ilkay
Falkenbier: It's clear against the rules
Hansa: 1. Angriff (kein mitgehen!) von mehr als 2 Fahrern einer Mannschaft am gleichen Kilometer in der gleichen Gruppe.Diese Regel gilt nicht während der letzten 10 Km eines Rennens.
Ansach: i had this problem but none proved me right
RideforMoney: not 2 atk and one follow
RideforMoney: you attacked with 3
Hansa: team attack ansach
Falkenbier: Except in the last 10 km
Falkenbier: Nothing to do with rule nr. 2. It's forbidden to attack with more than 2 riders at the same km
Team Trojer Vellau: nr 1 in this case
Ansach: then rule Nr 2
Falkenbier: Read rule Nr. 1
Falkenbier: 10 km...
Ansach: 20 km
Falkenbier: team attack Ansach...

[ProTour-Team]

maybe instead of accepting the rules every race without taking a look at them we should be forced to write them every ~50th race, if one isnt able to he cant inscribe
or we are given a certain attack and we have to argue why it is/isnt a teamattack^^

and seriously, rule1 is a clear as it can be, rule2 is pretty easy aswell.. rule3 can be complicated but most of the time isnt aswell


as for ansach: yeah sure it didnt violate rule3, but rule1 obviously

[Gipfelstuermer]

Actually difficult to judge because you don't write if all Ansach guys attacked out of the same group. Sounds like that but not sure out of your description.

Regarding Idefix point, it is true for Rule 1 and Rule 2. Would be better to include it in the code. Rule 3 is a bit more tricky. The code cannot tell which rider should be allowed to follow or not to follow if more than 2 follow... Then it would need something like a pop-up which forces the manager to select a rider to drop... It's possible for sure, but just saying it is not super easy.

[Hansa]

yeah all 3 guys attacked out of the peloton and were in the same group afterwards

[rsv flaschbier]

There's no need to discuss that.
It was a clear team attack (rule 1)

[Hansa]

There's no need to discuss that.
It was a clear team attack (rule 1)

i know that but i want a clarification of the fpc to show ansach^^

[scorpsche]

maybe instead of accepting the rules every race without taking a look at them we should be forced to write them every ~50th race, if one isnt able to he cant inscribe
or we are given a certain attack and we have to argue why it is/isnt a teamattack^^

and seriously, rule1 is a clear as it can be, rule2 is pretty easy aswell.. rule3 can be complicated but most of the time isnt aswell


as for ansach: yeah sure it didnt violate rule3, but rule1 obviously

I remember you not long ago (somewhen this year?) violating rule 1 saying: "oops it was 10km not 20??"