Le Tour 2022

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Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Sat May 21, 2022 8:23 am

This morning bad weather in northern Germany... so I checked my designing skills and tried this with doing stage 1 of TDF 2022. Did this with gpx file from La Flamme Rouge.

First saved as tdf_2021_stage_1 and then saw it's saying 2021 so again saved it at tdf_2022_stage_1

Now questions. Where can I find what I designed? How can I upload link and stage pic here? What is the wished "naming" of stages and Tour describtion?

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon May 23, 2022 9:35 am

Bear wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:23 am

Now questions. Where can I find what I designed? How can I upload link and stage pic here? What is the wished "naming" of stages and Tour describtion?
Thanks, Bear.

You can "load" the design in the Race Editor by typing e.g. "tdf_2022_stage_1.c4f" and then "load file from server".

You can also find the race using an url using "http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... hp?rennen=" and then the race name, e.g. http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_1

The same link can be used to show it to everyone here. And you were already successful in showing the picture, where you just use http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/pngfiles/ and then the race name.

Regarding the race name: There is no pre-defined naming. As long as it include the race name (tdf), the year (2022) and the stage number (1), it is fine. For a tour like this, of course it is useful to use the same naming for every stage, so

tdf_2022_stage_1
tdf_2022_stage_2
tdf_2022_stage_3
etc.

Let me know if you have time to design more TDF stages (then I can focus on react development), but otherwise I am happy to design some stages, too.
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 pm

Bear wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 8:23 am
This morning bad weather in northern Germany... so I checked my designing skills and tried this with doing stage 1 of TDF 2022. Did this with gpx file from La Flamme Rouge.
Do you already know if you want to continue designing TDF? Would be great help for the game.

Otherwise, no problem, then maybe I start soon.
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:26 pm

No times at the Moment to design and race. :-(

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Chense » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:52 pm

If you need help for specific stages (especially those that might not be that gc relevant) just contact me some days in advance then i can also draw 2 or 3 of them

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:13 am

From Tuesday on I should have time too, so the TdF designing boss (whoever that is, but I'm looking at Gipfel for the moment) should just tell me which stages to design.
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:07 pm

No order from the designing boss, so I just started. Stage 2, 3 and 4(4 in work while I post this, will appear soon, just post it before somebody else starts...)

Changed the name of the tour though in the editor, for stage 1 too. It's Le Tour 22 now, easier when putting online, since last years was called Le Tour too (online name will be the same as last year, just in the editor) So other designers: Le Tour 22 as Tour name please.

Stage 2: flat

A 6 at km 73, 0.9 km a 5.7% according to la flamme rouge, could be a 5 too.
The hill at the end is 2 2 1 1, the bridge, goes up to 65 meters, made it 60...
Mintact if not mentioned otherwise is 30km. Complaints welcome

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_2

Stage 3: flat

No sieb km
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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_3

Stage 4: hilly
171 km, a 7 at 161, some sieb km before too.
29 km mintact
Pavé at Cote de Cassel 4** 4* Same as in our Dunkerque edition 2018. Was 4** 4** in 2016, didn't check further. Will look at it in google street tomorrow in the train or so.

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_4

Done for today.
If somebody designs:
Don't forget that stage 5 will be stage 6 in the editor, since the rest day will come in after stage 3... etc etc, after the second race day +2...after the third +3.
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Chense » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:14 am

Argh should have told here that i spoke to gipfel that i will do those 3 (or better i already wanted to have done it but was sick in the weekend)

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:18 pm

Always announce here! Still time to do other stages.

I will start doing the next 3 ones now...
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:50 pm

Stage 5: Classified as middle mountain like on the official site (accidentée)
Pave stage, 157 km, mintact at km 100, before the second sector.
Did it easy, no checking, no thinking, just took the classification from la flamme rouge:
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Hasnon à Wallers (+++, 1600 m, Km 152.0), 2. Bousignies à Millonfosse (+++, 1400 m, Km 144.9), 3. Tilloy-lez-Marchiennes à Sars-et-Rosières (++++, 2400 m, Km 139.3), 4. Warlaing à Brillon (+++, 2400 m, Km 135.8), 5. Erre à Wandignies-Hamage (++++, 2800 m, Km 129.6), 6. Abscon (++, 1500 m, Km 121.1), 7. Monchecourt à Émerchicourt (+++, 1300 m, Km 115.4), 8. Émerchicourt à Monchecourt (+++, 1600 m, Km 112.5), 9. Wasnes-au-Bac à Marcq-en-Ostrevent (+++, 1400 m, Km 107.9), 10. Eswars à Paillencourt (++, 1600 m, Km 102.3), 11. Fressain à Villers-au-Tertre (+++, 1400 m, Km 81.0).

Then adapted for length, so the first sector (well 11 but first on the road) is 1400 and ***, so made it *** *, later sectors same classification, but 1600 are *** **. I suppose the rating can be found somewhere on the le tour site, but I didn't find it...

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_5

Stage 6: 220 km, hilly
Finish 10 -1 -3 -4 6 5, could be done differently too I guess.

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_6

Stage 7: HC
Last 7 km taken from the Tour site.

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_7

Done for today and tomorrow. Corrections to the stages done so far welcome.
Will continue designing on Friday most likely, other designers of course welcome until then! More than welcome

flocke: Fixed your stage 6 link
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:54 pm

Will design stage 8-10 later today. Profiles in this post when done.

8: middle mountain, for climbers (or escape)
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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_8

9: HC with rather easy finish. Used the Le Tour info for the last climb, not fully convinced by it, doesn't really seem to add up...

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 22_stage_9

10: middle mountain stage, easy, except the last climb which should see a climber/80-70 win, or a superclassic. Design see 9, same deal. Not high quality design, will try to take more time for the next ones, no more Le Tour profiles, cyclingcols or better I think. ..

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:15 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:07 pm
No order from the designing boss, so I just started.
Sorry, I was cycling/vacationing in France and then this PHP problem happened. On my way home now and hopefully I have time to contribute... maybe tomorrow... But given the situation of course happy if you/others can continue.
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:07 pm

I will go for stage 11 today or tomorrow.

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:39 pm

Stage 11 done. Hopefully saved correctly. saved as tdf_2022_stage_11

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_11

Checked the climbs only on TDF page and tried to go a good way between going up or down with .5%

Min tact at km140. Before Telegraphe seems too early for stage 11. So we we can wait until end of downhill.

Please let me know if something needs to be better.

flocke: Added the link to the profile

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:46 am

I do stage 12 as well.

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:06 am

12 done.

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saved as letour22_12

Sorry for not being correct to have the same data name everytime. I am not used to change it and miss it all the time. But I can change it afterwards if wanted.

BTW. stage 11 saved as stage number 13 and 12 as 14 due to rest days. I think at least this is correct.

Croix de Fer and Alpe dHuez I only checked with letour page. did not checked former editions. dont know if i can even check this at the moment.

min tact at 150 before Alpe dHuez before earlier doesnt make sense or is much too early.

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Chense » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:42 am

I do stage 13 - hopefully have time for more but can not promise
Will be added here soon

Done it now:

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Saved as letour22_13

Mintact from KM 158 (before the Cote de la Fage)

Checked in Detail the Mende climb which is 8 10 11 for me (according to letour its 8,3 10,5 and 10,9) and the Fage rest i followed the laflammerougegpx

More info to come in the evening

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:05 pm

Chense wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:42 am
I do stage 13 - hopefully have time for more but can not promise
Will be added here soon

Done it now:

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Saved as letour22_13

Mintact from KM 158 (before the Cote de la Fage)

Checked in Detail the Mende climb which is 8 10 11 for me (according to letour its 8,3 10,5 and 10,9) and the Fage rest i followed the laflammerougegpx

More info to come in the evening
That's actually stage 14!

You'll need to change the name etc. later!
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:06 pm

In the meantime I'll design stage 13, 15 and 16

13: flat, but hills. Last sieb-km at 144. early in the last climb. In reality a sprint (but not 100% either really) at c4f probably not

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_13

15: Flat, 202 km, few sieb-km, last one a 7 at 144, just before the IS.
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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_15

16: Middle mountain, 179 km, mintact at 144, start of Mur de Péguère. TdF info on their site continues to be complete shit, first 3 km of that climb according to them 5.9-5.5-6.5, start at 631 and after these 3 km we are at....789, 21 meters off the given percentages. . Idiots. Most important race in the world and they don't manage to put up sensible info? Used cyclingcols for this one, Port de Lers TdF

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Chense » Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:29 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:05 pm
Chense wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:42 am
I do stage 13 - hopefully have time for more but can not promise
Will be added here soon

Done it now:

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Saved as letour22_13

Mintact from KM 158 (before the Cote de la Fage)

Checked in Detail the Mende climb which is 8 10 11 for me (according to letour its 8,3 10,5 and 10,9) and the Fage rest i followed the laflammerougegpx

More info to come in the evening
That's actually stage 14!

You'll need to change the name etc. later!
As i am totally unable with that editor can you also do it? But thanks for the reminder ... sheer dumbness

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:10 pm

Done, was easy. All I had to do was change the 13 to 14 in the title. And put 16 instead of 15 in the stage-number box.

Anyway, 17-21 left, now 3 rest days so stage number box is +3, 20-24....
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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:51 pm

Going for the last 5 stages now.



17: 130 km, usual mess with the percentages (now figured at least out they don't put the lines at the km mark, but just somewhere)

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_17

18: 144km, mintact at 102, start of Col de Spandelles

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_18

19: 188 km. Sieb km at the 2 cat 4, mintact before the second one.

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_19

20: ITT, 41 km, mintact km 1

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_20

21: 11

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http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 2_stage_21


And gave out wrong info regarding the numbering of the stages.... that was when putting it online only of course... :oops: Now had to correct all again, idiot Donkey.

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Bear » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:19 pm

I saw Coe thinking of stage 5, the cobble stage. So I think a little bit about it too. Probably Coe has an eye on the length.

I would say it's deigners choice in the end... but my thoughts.

If a sector is 2.1 km long, leave it with 2km in c4f. But starting from 2.2 in reality I would make it 3 in c4f. And I would start with a low pavé definition. So for example sector 3. Tilloy-lez-Marchiennes à Sars-et-Rosières (++++, 2400 m, Km 139.3) I would do: **,****,****

Why? Because if a group runs into a pavé sector they have good speed and the beginning also less skilled riders can ride fast because they run into with higher speed. Last part of pavé is hard no matter how fast they enter into in pavé. Why not leave it with 2km? Because even 200m in cobbles have in impact and should have in c4f.

If it would be like 2700m long I would go ***,****,**** I think you see how I mean it.

Maybe we could even find a suitable range to design it the same for the future...

2.1 = 2km
2.2 = 1st km *
2.3 = 1st km **
2.4 = 1st km **
2.5 = 1st km **
2.6 = 1st km ***
2.7 = 1st km ***
2.8 = 1st km ****
2.9 = 1st km ****
(example for a **** pavé sector)

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Alkworld » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:54 am

Regarding Coesitz concerns: Not only pavé will be more selective in practice in C4F, the same applies for mountains and TTs as well. It's always interesting to see how seemingly average (real) riders suddenly ride great ITTs when they really go 100%. Conclusion: C4F is not real life :)

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Re: Le Tour 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 am

Big thanks to Roby, Bear and TTV. Great job from them, while I had not enough time (vacation, php problem, covid...). Without players like you, this game couldn't exist anymore! Ok, without Alk it couldn't exist anymore! But without you, neither.
Robyklebt wrote:
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But for the moment it will stay as it is, also because Gipfel will show up soon and demand that it stays like it is.... or harder maybe, don't know...
Yep, that triggered me :D Stage 5, no official ASO info on sectors, so I trust Roby's research result / judgement.

But I will help Coesitz and complain about missing pavé!

Stage 1: Schloss Amalienburg, roughly at km8, could be * pavé .https://www.google.com/maps/@55.6845906 ... 312!8i6656

Stage 3: Sonderborg, roughly 10km before the finish, could be **, cobbles are roughly 500m.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9099809 ... 384!8i8192

Stage 7: Planche des Belles Filles. Last km is gravel, isn't it? Should be * then. Because of the KOM, could also be the KM before (otherwise bug).
https://www.quickstep-alphavinylteam.co ... 879456.jpg

Stage 10: Megeve, nothing to do with pavé, but when I checked it was wondering if last km is really +5? On flamme-rouge they say +3.5, but OK TDF website says 4.5 and then a tiny 7.1 ramp?? Where is that? I thought that's the finish on the airport? shouldn't that be a rather constant gradient? Mysterious to me but I guess OK to follow ASO informaiton. Youtube video shows Kamna's win there in Dauphine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oqRT9CQ_2I

Stage 21: Isn't there pavé on the final lap? And weak riders without energy get dropped there sometimes? ... Last year only 99 of 141 riders finished in the peloton on the stage. 42 riders got dropped and lost up to 12 minutes... so it's not like you cannot sieb there in real life...
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8722653 ... 384!8i8192
https://www.letour.fr/en/rankings

So far the gipfel-pavé-lover-complaints. I leave it to designers if they want to add something or not :)



Another important note. Classifications:

Green:
Stages “without particular difficulties” (Stages 2,3,4,5,6,8,13,15,19,21) 50-30-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3 and 2 points for the first 15 riders
“Rolling” stages (Stages 7,10,14,16): 30-25-22-19-17-15-13-11-9-7-6- 5-4-3-2 points
“Very difficult” stages (Stages 4,9,11,12,17,18) : 20-17-15-13-11- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points
Time trials (Stages 1, 20), 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points
Intermediate sprints: 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points

Polka dot:
Hors Catégorie (7 in total): 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-2 points
Category 1 climbs (10): 10-8-6-4-2-1 points
Category 2 (6): 5-3-2-1 points
Category 3 (16): 2-1 points
Category 4 (22): 1 point

Bonus seconds:
NO bonus seconds at IS or KOMs.
10-6-4 at the finish line on each stage.

If I understood Alk correctly, he is implementing the real points.
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