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Classiques Belges

Post by lesossies » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:55 am

Hellingen, Paves and others can be discuss here.

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:47 pm

The Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne 2010 difficulties:

1. Edelareberg
1525m with an average of 6,4%
max: 7%
located at km 29
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6 + 4
RSF 2009: 6 + 1

2. La Houppe
2800m with an average of 3,3%
max: 10%
located at km 92
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 + 6 + 2
RSF 2009: 3 + 6 + 1

3. Kanarieberg
1000m with an average of de 7,7%
max: 14%
located at km 99
Adaptation RSF 2010: 8
RSF 2009: 7

4. Nieuwe Kruisberg
1000m with an average of 6,0%
max: unknown
located at km 105
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6 (Cobblestones: 1 star)
RSF 2009: 6 (pavés 1 étoile)

5. Oude Kwaremont
2200m with an average of 4,2%
max: 11%
located at km 111
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6 + 4 (Cobblestones: 3 + 3 stars)
RSF 2009: 6 + 3 (pavés 1 + 3)

6. Côte de Trieu
1100 with an average of 8,0%
max: 13%
located at km 125
Adaptation RSF 2010: 8
RSF 2009: 7

7. Tiegemberg
750m with an average of 5,6%
max: 9%
located at km 135
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5
RSF 2009: 6

8. Nokereberg
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 146
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars)
RSF 2009: 5

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:09 pm

The Het Nieuwsblad 2010 difficulties:

1. Haaghoek Cobblestones sector
2000m
located at km 74,5
Adaptation RSF 2010: -202 / 203
Picture:
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2. Leberg Berg
950m with an average of 4,2%
Max.: 15%
located at km 77,1
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

3. Berendries Berg
940m with an average of 7%
Max.: 14%
located at km 81,5
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

4. Valkenberg Berg
540m with an average of 8,1%
Max.: 15%
located at km 87
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

5. Ten Bosse Berg
455m with an average of 6,4%
Max.: 14%
located at km 93,2
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

6. Eikenmolen Berg
610m with an average of 5,9%
Max.: 12%
located at km 98,7
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

7. Mur de Grammont (Muur van Geraardsbergen) Berg with cobblestones
825m with an average of 6,8%
Max.: 20%
located at km 109
Adaptation RSF 2010: 308
Picture:
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8. Lessenstraat Cobblestone sector
160m
located at km 118

9. Pottelberg Berg
?
located at km 132,2
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6 / 3 (with track4bikers)

10. Kruisberg Berg with 500m cobblestones
1250m with an average of 5,7%
Max.: 11%
located at km 142
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 / 106
Picture:
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11. Donderij + Hof te Fiennestraat Cobblestone sector
800m + 300m
located at km 147
Adaptation RSF 2010: -202
Picture:
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12. Taaienberg Berg with 500m cobblestones
800m with an average of 5,6%
Max.: 18%
located at km 152
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206
Picture:
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13. Etikhoveplein + Gieterijstraat Cobblestone sector
300m + 200m
located at km 154
Adaptation RSF 2010: -104

14. Eikenberg Berg with cobblestones
1170m with an average of 5,6%
Max.: 11%
located at km 157
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206
Picture:
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15. Wolvenberg Berg
645m with an average of 7,9%
Max.: 17%
located at km 160,6
Adaptation RSF 2010: 8

16. Holleweg Cobblestones sector
2400m
located at km 161,5
Adaptation RSF 2010: -202 / 301
Picture:
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17. Molenberg Berg with 300m cobblestones
463m with an average of 7%
Max.: 14,2%
located at km 169
Adaptation RSF 2010: 107
Picture:
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18. Paddestraat Cobblestones sector
2300m
located at km 174
Adaptation RSF 2010: 201 / -203
Picture:
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19. Lippenhovenstraat Cobblestones sector
1300m
located at km 176,4
Adaptation RSF 2010: 301
Picture:
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20. Lange Munte Cobblestones sector
2500m
located at km 183,4
Adaptation RSF 2010: 201 / 301

21. Steenakker Cobblestones sector
700m
located at km 201,2
Adaptation RSF 2010: 100
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by olmania » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:50 pm

Ok ! Thanks for this big job Aywaille.
So i'll explain to everybody my theory about cobblestones (i know that you already know that^^)

So, in my opinion, if we have 5 choices of pavé, it's because there are big differences.
So for me, the * is really easy, and i think because in RSF, nobody goes out in * except some climbers and sprinters when it's a specialist in tempo.
That's why I think * is only for pavé in the city, i mean excellents pavés, smooth. So, the * in the classics of Belgium ? Really ? Sometimes ok, but when it's a pavé part with fields all around, i'm sorry, i can't believe it.
But sometimes the * is ok, for example, the last pavé part in Paris-Roubaix is * (ok only 300m) but's it's perfect pavé of the city, so no effect for the race.
So, for me, the minimum is ** for the classics races, exept in a few cases.

;)

I hope my english is ok :?

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:54 pm

Ha, one more critique in that case
21. Steenakker Cobblestones sector
700m
located at km 201,2
Adaptation RSF 2010: 100
Start of the sector at 201.2, so end at 201,9, shouldn't it be km 202 in that case for RSF? Not Km 201?

Ah, see OL already wrote something too.

Steenakker is in the city as far as I saw when I put adjusted the iBan version from 09 to 10. So * might be ok (but don't know)
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:58 pm

VC Aywaille wrote:Here is the first stage of "De Panne 2010":

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The rest can come later but there is more urgent now: Dwars door Vlaanderen, Nokere Koers, Harelbeke and Gent-Wevelgem.

I want ask a little help (Gaurain? iban? Skullz?).

Here is the calendar of the Vlaamse races:

05/03 - 07/03: Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen -----> Skullz?
17/03: Nokere Koers -----> ?
24/03: Dwars door Vlaanderen -----> ?
27/03: E3 Prijs Vlaanderen (Harelbeke) -----> VC Aywaille
28/03: Gent - Wevelgem -----> VC Aywaille
30/03 - 01/04: Driedaagse van De Panne - Koksijde -----> VC Aywaille
04/04: Ronde van Vlaanderen -----> VC Aywaille

I just ask to make an name in Vlaams, not in english, french (except Paris-Roubaix) or german. I think it's beter in Vlaams.
11/04: Paris-Roubaix -----> VC Aywaille
Answer here (not to interrupt the Het Volk discussion)

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by olmania » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:59 pm

Robyklebt wrote:Ha, one more critique in that case
21. Steenakker Cobblestones sector
700m
located at km 201,2
Adaptation RSF 2010: 100
Start of the sector at 201.2, so end at 201,9, shouldn't it be km 202 in that case for RSF? Not Km 201?

Ah, see OL already wrote something too.

Steenakker is in the city as far as I saw when I put adjusted the iBan version from 09 to 10. So * might be ok (but don't know)

If it's in a city, I think the pavé is a good one. So * is ok.
We let the choice to the King of the North :P

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:13 am

Difficulties of Dwars door Vlaanderen 2010:

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Name: Katteberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 108 (740m long)
City: Oudenaarde
Average: 5,9%
Maximum: 8,2%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Natendries (cobblestones)
Km: 109 (1500m long)
City: Oudenaarde
Average: /
Maximum: /
Adaptation RSF 2010: -202

Name: Haaghoek (cobblestones)
Km: 115 (1700m long)
City: St.Kornelis-Horebeke
Average: /
Maximum: /
Comment: difference with another stats i have find. But i want to stay with the first stats to have a continuation on the Flandrians 2010.
Adaptation RSF 2010: -202 / 203

Name: Leberg (berg)
Km: 120 (700m long)
City: St.Kornelis-Horebeke
Average: 6,1%
Maximum: 14%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Berendries (berg)
Km: 126 (920m long)
City: Brakel
Average: 7,1%
Maximum: 12,3%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

Name: Valkenberg (berg)
Km: 131 (540m long)
City: Brakel
Average: 8,1%
Maximum: 12,8%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Eikenberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 145 (1250m long)
City: Oudenaarde
Average: 5,8%
Maximum: 10%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206

Name: Steenbeekdries (cobblestones)
Km: 149 (300m long)
City: Maarkedal
Average: /
Maximum: /
Adaptation RSF 2010: 301
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Name: Hotond (berg)
Km: 153 (500m long)
City: Ronse
Average: 3%
Maximum: 8%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 2

Name: Cote de Trieu - Knokteberg (berg)
Km: 163 (1682m long)
City: Mont de l'Enclus
Average: 5,3%
Maximum: 13,3%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

Name: Oude Kwaremont (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 167 (1100m long)
City: Kluisbergen
Average: 3,6%
Maximum: 11,6%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 306 / 304

Name: Watermolenstraat (cobblestones)
Km: 168 (500m long)
City: Kluisbergen
Average: /
Maximum: /
Adaptation RSF 2010: see Oude Kwaremont (second km)
Picture:
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Name: Kalkhoveberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 169 (150m long)
City: Kluisbergen
Average: 13,6%
Maximum: 18%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 201

Name: Patersberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 171 (365m long)
City: Kluisbergen
Average: 12,9%
Maximum: 20,3%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206

Name: Varenstraat (cobblestones)
Km: 180 (2000m long)
City: Kerkhove
Average: /
Maximum: /
Adaptation RSF 2010: 200 / 200

Name: Vossenhol (berg)
Km: 184 (1400m long)
City: Anzegem
Average: 6,5%
Maximum: 9%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 2 / 5

Name: Holstraat (berg)
Km: 188 (1000m long)
City: Anzegem
Average: 5,2%
Maximum: 12%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5

Name: Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 197 (500m long)
City: Nokere
Average: 5,7%
Maximum: 6,7%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 204

You can find the datas here: http://www.dwarsdoorvlaanderen.be/frans/frindex.htm

For the difficulties we have see in previous races this year, i want to conserve the same % and * (for the continuation spirit).
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:26 pm

I know it's here...

I just meant add the RSF % and pavé you did here so we can say something.. from the profile alone we can't really say much :)
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:16 pm

Right Roby sorry.

I maked it now. I think it's correct, but don't hesitate to criticism, beter to make my best later. ;)
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:27 pm

Difficulties of the E3 Prijs Vlaanderen 2010:

Name: La Houppe (berg)
Km: 117-118 and 119 (3440m long)
Average: 3,32%
Maximum: 10%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 / 6 / 2 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)
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Name: Stene Berg (berg)
Km: 1126 and 127 (1560m long)
Average: 7,30%
Maximum: 17%
Adaptation RSF 2010: ?
Profile:
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Name: Boigneberg (berg)
Km: 132 and 133 (2180m long)
Average: 5,8%
Maximum: 15%
Adaptation RSF 2010: ?
Profile:
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Name: Eikenberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 136 and 137 (1200m long)
Average: 5,5%
Maximum: 11%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Omloop Het Nieuwsblad)
Profile:
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Name: Stationsberg (berg)
Km: 141 and 142 (460m long)
Average: 3,20%
Maximum: 5,7%
Adaptation RSF 2010: ?
Profile:
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Name: Taaienberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 1146 and 147 (1250m long)
Average: 9,5%
Maximum: 18%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Omloop Het Nieuwsblad)
Profile:
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Name: Oude Kruiskens (berg)
Km: 154 and 155 (1270m long)
Average: 6%
Maximum: ?
Adaptation RSF 2010: ?
Profile:
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Name: Kapelberg (berg)
Km: 158 and 159 (1260m long)
Average: 7,14%
Maximum: 14%
Adaptation RSF 2010: ?
Profile:
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Name: Paterberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: ? (362m long)
Average: 12,5%
Maximum: 20%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Dwars door Vlaanderen)
Profile:
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Name: Kwaremont (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 166-167 and 168 (2200m long)
Average: 4,3%
Maximum: 11%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 306 / 304 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)
Profile:
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Name: Knokteberg (berg)
Km: 175 and 176 (1530m long)
Average: 5,31%
Maximum: 13%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7 (like Dwars door Vlaanderen)
Profile:
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Name: Tiegemberg (berg)
Km: 186 and 187 (1000m long)
Average: 6,50%
Maximum: 9%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)
Profile:
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You can find the datas here: http://www.e3prijsvlaanderen.be/dut/pages/parcours

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:37 am

Criticism:

OK, to confuse first praise. Excellent overviews!


but now criticism:

Name: Cote de Trieu - Knokteberg (berg)
Km: 163 (1682m long)
City: Mont de l'Enclus
Average: 5,3%
Maximum: 13,3%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

Mmh, 2 km seems more logic somehow. but of course I really don't know how the climb is, maybe 1 km is ok, 1 km steep then almost flat, then it's ok. So more a question than a criticism.

Edit: Now I know why I don't want to do that Belgian mess.. checked wiki for that one, http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knokteberg 7% seems ok, actually more 8, but then who knows how precise wiki is..

Name: Vossenhol (berg)
Km: 184 (1400m long)
City: Anzegem
Average: 6,5%
Maximum: 9%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 2 / 5

Here on the other hand seems strange to have 5 as max when the average is over 6.. and according to this it goes up 91 meters. Ok, maybe you need to compensate for the downhill and only want to go up 70 meters, that's ok.. .But here somewhere a km over 6% seems better. Only one km and 7 seems ok too actually or 6 2 (or 2 6 depending on how the mountain is actually)


Then the E3 graphics. They look nice, but... the numbers seem to be all wrong.

Stene Berg, 1,5 Km, 7+%, so means at least 105 meters up, but the top is at 100, the minimum at 30. Boigneberg, over 2 Km, average 5,8, means it goes up over 116 meters. But according to the graphic the top is only 90 meters. Recommend you check the Wiki pages too, or climbybike even though I don't necessarily trust them, but the Boigneberg seems more logic in those 2 places. And almost everything seems to be more fantasy than reality.. (numbers from the site)

http://www.climbbybike.com/climb.asp?qr ... 96#profile

I let iBan and co come with more criticism, enough from me for the moment.
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:53 am

Oh, not sure if you already found that

http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... -les-cotes

Not only the hellingen for 2010 (http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-paves/hellingen2010)

Could be useful not only for Flanders, but E3 Dwars etc too. Somehow the numbers seem more realistic than the ones on the E3 site.

And they have pavé too

http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-paves/paves2010

http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-paves/paves-tous
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:37 pm

Difficulties of the Nokere Koerse 2010:

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1. Edelareberg (berg)
1525m with an average of 6,4%
max: 7%
located at km 2 and 3
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6 + 4

2. Kerkgate (cobblestones)
2500m
located at km 9 and 10
Adaptation RSF 2010: 3 stars

3. Tiegemberg (berg)
750m with an average of 5,6%
max: 9%
located at km 31
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5 :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

4. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 47
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

5. Huiseponteweg (cobblestones)
1500m
located at km 66
Adaptation RSF 2010: 3 stars
Picture:
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6. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 74
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

7. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 89
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

8. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 104
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

9. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 119
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

10. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 134
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

11. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 149
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

12. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 164
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

13. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 179
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne

14. Nokereberg (berg with cobblestones)
350m with an average of 5,7%
max: 7%
located at km 194
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 (Cobblestones: 2 stars) :arrow: like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:40 pm

Thank you for these informations Roby! :)
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:25 pm

Difficulties of the E3 Prijs Vlaanderen 2010:

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Name: Katteberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 108 (740m long)
Average: 5,9%
Maximum: 8,2%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206

Name: Paddestraat (cobblestones)
Km: 70 and 71 (3440m long)
Adaptation RSF 2010: 201 / -203 (like Het Nieuwsblad)

Name: La Houppe (berg)
Km: 117-118 and 119 (3440m long)
Average: 3,32%
Maximum: 10%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 / 6 / 2 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)

Name: Stene Berg (berg)
Km: 126 (821m long)
Average: 7,30%
Maximum: 12%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

Name: Boigneberg (berg)
Km: 132 (1050m long)
Average: 5,8%
Maximum: 15%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Eikenberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 136 and 137 (1200m long)
Average: 5,5%
Maximum: 11%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Omloop Het Nieuwsblad)

Name: Stationsberg (berg)
Km: 141 and 142 (1500m long)
Average: 3,20%
Maximum: 9%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 3 / 4

Name: Taaienberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 1146 and 147 (1250m long)
Average: 9,5%
Maximum: 18%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Omloop Het Nieuwsblad)

Name: Oude Kruiskens (berg)
Km: 154 and 155 (1270m long)
Average: 6%
Maximum: ?
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Kapelberg (berg)
Km: 158 (735m long)
Average: 7,14%
Maximum: 14%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7

Name: Paterberg (berg with cobblestones)
Km: ? (362m long)
Average: 12,5%
Maximum: 20%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 206 (like Dwars door Vlaanderen)

Name: Kwaremont (berg with cobblestones)
Km: 166-167 and 168 (2200m long)
Average: 4,3%
Maximum: 11%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 306 / 304 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)

Name: Knokteberg (berg)
Km: 175 and 176 (1530m long)
Average: 5,31%
Maximum: 13%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7 (like Dwars door Vlaanderen)

Name: Tiegemberg (berg)
Km: 186 and 187 (1000m long)
Average: 6,50%
Maximum: 9%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5 (like Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne)

You can find the datas here: http://www.e3prijsvlaanderen.be/dut/pages/parcours and here (beter): http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... -les-cotes

For the difficulties we have see in previous races this year, i want to conserve the same % and * (for the continuation spirit).
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Cerro Torre RT » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:18 am

Error at Paterberg at E3-Prijs Vlaanderen. At the moment, it is shown as 12% 10* Pavé. 1012 probably the value in the editor. But Pavé-value is not seperated by a zero, its just the hunderts. Suppose it should be 112, which means 12% 1* Pavé.

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:49 am

The online version is still the one from 09 anyway.

We really need to get the 10 versions on. Soon.

E3 is done according to Aywaille, but now he really has to start speeding up. Gent, then De Panne, then Flanders, we need to have Flanders before April.
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:35 pm

As said Roby, it was not "my" Paterberg. You can find the values i used here on the E3-post.

But it's nice to come saying me when you think there is an error. Today i make Gent-Wevelgem! ;)
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:47 pm

Difficulties of Gent - Wevelgem 2010:

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Name: Scherpenberg (berg)
Km: 105 AND 149 (1200m long)
Average: 8,5%
Maximum: ?%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 8 / 2
Picture:
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Name: Katsberg (berg)
Km: 125 AND 167 (?m long)
Average: ?%
Maximum: ?%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5 / 7
Picture:
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Name: Berthen (berg)
Km: 127 AND 169 (?m long)
Average: ?%
Maximum: ?%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 5

Name: Mont Noir (berg)
Km: 132 AND 173 (?m long)
Average: ?%
Maximum: ?%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6

Name: Baneberg (berg)
Km: 135 AND 176 (300m long)
Average: 10%
Maximum: 15%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 6
Picture:
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Name: Rodeberg (berg)
Km: 136 AND 177 (2000m long) -----> one km later in my profile to put the downhill of the Baneberg...
Average: 4,4%
Maximum: 13%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 2 / 6
Picture:
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Name: Monteberg (berg)
Km: 141 AND 183 (1000m long)
Average: 7,3%
Maximum: 12%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 7
Picture:
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Name: Kemmelberg(berg with cobblestones)
Km: 143 AND 184 (1400m long, with 400m cobblestones) -----> 143 AND 185 in my profile (the same reason as Rodeberg)
Average: 7,8%
Maximum: 15%
Adaptation RSF 2010: 4 / 309
Picture:
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You can find the datas here: http://www.gent-wevelgem.be/fileadmin/D ... 010-fr.pdf

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by VC Aywaille » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:45 pm

The Ronde Van Vlaanderen 2010 difficulties:

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1. Markt (cobblestones)
100m long
km: 115
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

2. Wannegemdorp (cobblestones)
1800m long
km: 125 and 126
RSF 2010: 2 stars
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

3. Lededorp (cobblestones)
200m long
km: 127
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

4. Mullemdorp (cobblestones)
200m long
km: 130
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

5. Den Ast (berg)
450m long (average: 5%, max.: 11%)
km: 131
RSF 2010: 3
Picture:
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6. Lange Aststraat (cobblestones)
500m long
km: 132
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

7. Varentstraat (cobblestones)
2000m long
km: 156 and 157
RSF 2010: 2 stars (200 / 200)
Like in Dwars door Vlaanderen
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

8. Grote Herrenweg (cobblestones)
200m long
km: 162
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

9. Kluisberg (berg)
925m long (average: 6,8%, max.: 14,5%)
km: 165
RSF 2010: 7
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

10. Knokteberg - Côte de Trieu (berg)
1100m long (average: 8%, max.: 13%)
km: 172
RSF 2010: 7
Like in Dwars door Vlaanderen
Picture:
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11. Oude Kwaremont (berg with cobblestones)
2200m long with 1500m cobblestones (average: 4%, max.: 11,6%)
km: 179 and 180
RSF 2010: 306 / 304
Like in Dwars door Vlaanderen
Picture:
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12. Paterberg (berg)
360m long (average: 12,9%, max.: 20,3%)
km: 183
RSF 2010: 206
Like in Dwars door Vlaanderen
Picture:
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13. Koppenberg (berg)
600m long (average: 11,6%, max.: 22%)
km: 189
RSF 2010: 408
Picture:
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14. Mariaborrestraat (cobblestones)
2000m long
km: 193 and 194
RSF 2010: 3 stars
Picture:
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15. Steenbeekdries (berg with cobblestones)
700m long (average: 5,3%, max.: 6,7%)
km: 195
RSF 2010: 304
Picture:
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16. Taaienberg (berg with cobblestones)
530m long with 520m cobblestones (average: 6,6%, max.: 15,8%)
km: 197
RSF 2010: 206
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture:
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17. Etikhovenplein + Gieterijstraat (cobblestones)
200m + 300m long
km: 199
RSF 2010: 1 star (-104)
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

18. Eikenberg (berg with cobblestones)
1300m long with 1200m cobblestones (average: 6,2%, max.: 10%)
km: 202
RSF 2010: 206
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture:
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19. Holleweg (cobblestones)
1500m long
km: 203 and 204
RSF 2010: 2 and 3 stars (-202 / 301)
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

20. Ruiterstraat (cobblestones)
800m long
km: 205
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

21. Kerkgate (cobblestones)
1500m long
km: 208 and 209
RSF 2010: 3 stars
Like in Nokere
Picture: Just for fun, we don't see anything...
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22. Molenberg (berg with cobblestones)
463m long with 300m cobblestones (average: 7%, max.: 14,2%)
km: 217
RSF 2010: 105
Picture:
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23. Haaghoek (cobblestones)
2000m long
km: 221 and 222
RSF 2010: 2 stars (-202 / 203)
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture:
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24. Leberg (berg)
950m long (average: 4,2%, max.: 13,8%)
km: 225
RSF 2010: 6
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture:
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25. Berendries (berg)
940m long (average: 7%, max.: 12,3%)
km: 229
RSF 2010: 7
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture:
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26. Ten Bosse (berg)
450m long (average: 6,9%, max.: 8,7%)
km: 236
RSF 2010: 6
Like in Het Nieuwsblad
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

27. Vesten (cobblestones)
400m long
km: 244
RSF 2010: 1 star
Picture: No picture, sorry :D

28. Muur - Kapelmuur (berg with cobblestones)
475m long (average: 9,3%, max.: 19,8%)
km: 246
RSF 2010: 306
Picture:
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29. Bosberg (berg with cobblestones)
980m long with 400m cobblestones (average: 5,8%, max.: 11%)
km: 250
RSF 2010: 206
Picture:
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Links:
- http://rvv.be/rvv-data/pdf/rvv2010-elit ... oadmap.pdf
- http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... -les-cotes
- http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-paves/paves-tous
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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Luna » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:51 pm

No cobbles at the Kemmelberg at stage 2 of De Panne?

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by olmania » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:03 am

Luna wrote:No cobbles at the Kemmelberg at stage 2 of De Panne?

Mhh, the Kemmel is really popular this year !
In May, 3 climbs of Kemmelberg during a stage of 5j de Dunkerque "a little Deinze-Welvegem" stage :lol:

Yes, Aywaille have to change it, but he's no activ these days, maybe leso can do it for him ?

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by lesossies » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:00 am

Cobbles in but GPM now out !
GPM 1km later ?

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Re: Classiques Belges

Post by Luna » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:13 am

GPM out. That 4 points are not so important, I guess.

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