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TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:18 am

Giro is over, let's open the topic for TDF so.

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2014/us/

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by olmania » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:23 am

I want to draw the stages in UK.

I do no want to draw the pavé stage.

I could help for rest, especially for week 2 : stage 11 to stage 15 as I know well most of the roads.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:13 pm

stage 4, 5, 8 for me

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flat stage, mintact km 155

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flat stage, mintact km 110

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flat stage, mintact km 180

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flat stage, mintact km 216

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middle mountain stage, mintact km 135

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middle mountain stage, mintact km 108

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mountain stage, mintact km 98 for the moment

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mountain stage, mintact 173
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Re: TDF 2014

Post by team fl » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:03 pm

for stage 13, why not put the min-tact before the first climb? That's maybe 15 min more for the stage, but the min-tact at one of the decisive points of the stage.
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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:13 pm

team fl wrote:for stage 13, why not put the min-tact before the first climb? That's maybe 15 min more for the stage, but the min-tact at one of the decisive points of the stage.
km 138/139 at the foot of Palaquit is a possibility too, for me it is fifty/fifty.

PS : 130 min for this stage + 10 min sprint, it is long. IMO some others stages better for long mintact like satges 10, 17, 18, maybe 14 too.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:48 pm

For this 2014 edition, no bonus seconds will be up for grabs at the intermediate sprints and the stage finishes. Real time will be the absolute reference.

The Polka-Dot Jersey will be worn by the leader of the best climbers’ classification. Points will be given at the top of each mountain and hill. They will be doubled for the mountain-top finishes (La Planche des Belles Filles, Chamrousse, Risoul, Saint-Lary-Soulan, Hautacam).

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:21 pm

I demand that the yellow jersey be rosa this time. Since the Giro didn't get his real colours no reason the less important GT should get the correct ones.
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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:28 pm

Robyklebt wrote:I demand that the yellow jersey be rosa this time. Since the Giro didn't get his real colours no reason the less important GT should get the correct ones.
Good idea !

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by luques » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:12 pm

Robyklebt wrote:I demand that the yellow jersey be rosa this time. Since the Giro didn't get his real colours no reason the less important GT should get the correct ones.
Agree.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by olmania » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:04 pm

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I did not do mistakes on the road, but I have 3 less kms than what they say ... I will check again in few weeks when all info will be updated.
Last km is a 4% here. My adaptation to the end of race that has a ramp at 6%, a short downhill and final few hundred meters at 4%.
Climbs on the way are steep enough to sieb.


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I did implement mintackt km 163. Other option is before Holme Pass. What do you prefer ?


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Flat as a pancake to London !


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Re: TDF 2014

Post by olmania » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:58 pm

Race profile they provide are not that good you know ... I am used to work with it, and it often softens the road because it does not give all the small bumps and down.
Here's the detail of the last kms I based my work on :

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It's a detailed profile made by Veloviewer and after checking it on my own for few of the climbs veloviewer drew, I can say it's accurate, and trustable.

here in the last km, it has a part of the 6% ramp (about 500m) + short downhill of 200meters + last ramp at 4% of 300meters, so I think a 4% is accurate on RSF.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by olmania » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:14 pm

Idéfix wrote:ok! I trust your work :)
for my team a +4% is ok, but I don't want to make jealous among RSF sprinters^^
hard to block, that end of stage, this will be nice :)
I think it will be hard for sprinters way before the last km ;)
Hills are not so short, quite close to each other and quite steep. :)

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:35 pm

olmania wrote:
Idéfix wrote:ok! I trust your work :)
for my team a +4% is ok, but I don't want to make jealous among RSF sprinters^^
hard to block, that end of stage, this will be nice :)
I think it will be hard for sprinters way before the last km ;)
Hills are not so short, quite close to each other and quite steep. :)
Don't worry for sprinters, 4%, they can do it

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by cataracs » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:30 am

Buy Hill sprinters !

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:20 pm

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mountain stage, mintact km 115

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mountain stage, mintact km 205

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mountain stage, mintact km 50

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montain stage, mintact km 79

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flat stage, mintact km 195, the hill at the end at 8%

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flat stage, mintact km 130

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:14 pm

All TDF stages here. You can see all mintacts so feel free to cry about it since know if you don't like that.

Anyway, for the moment we just miss info about what is flat, what is hilly and what is mountain stages.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:04 pm

Idéfix wrote:What a wonderful work!

et 2 : i'm ok with the mintact at 163 as Ol did.

et. 10 : mintact around 130 is enough?

et. 17 : it's PeyresouRde (not Peyresoude). Mintact at 65-70 ? 50 is very early and Portillon not so decisive I think.

All the other things are really good :)
I'll enjoy my TDF !
Ah good eyes Idéfix thanks !!

For stage 10 a mintact later just before Chevreres has less sense IMO. Big , but short, mountain stage with only up and down, before the rest stage, which can be really hard to control for leaders and gk/stage favo. A lot of moves are possible so it doesn't too much to have mintact km 98 here, and 2h doesn't look excessive.

For stage 17, the same, very short stage, 1h50, but surely the last stage teams can make bigs offensive for GK or stage, doesn't looks so bad.

Anyway in all case leso has the last word so ^^

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:41 pm

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2014/docs/ ... ent_BD.pdf

I follow ASO coefficients, I change stage 5 as "middle mountain" for the moment. OL need to change stage 12 as "flat" when he can.

for the “flat” in-line stages (art. 22-coeff. 1):
45,35,30,26,22,20,18,16,14,12,10,8,6,
4 and 2 points for the first 15 riders to finish;
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for the “medium mountain” in-line
stages (art. 22-coeff. 2 and 3): 3,
25,22,19,17,15,13,11,9,7,6,5,
4,3 and 2 points for the first 15 riders to
finish;
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for the “high mountain” in-line stages
(art. 22-coeff. 3 and 4 and 5):
20,17,15,13,11,10,9,8,7, 6,5,4,3,2,1
points for the first 15 riders to finish;

for the individual time trial stage (art.22-
coeff. 6): 20,17,15,13,11,10,9,8,7,6,
5,4,3,2,1 points to the first 15 riders to finish.
„
for each intermediate sprint, the
first 15 riders to finish will receive
20,17,15,13,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4, 3,2,1
points respectively.

“Highest level” passes: 25, 20, 16, 14, 12,
10, 8, 6, 4, 2 points respectively for first 10
riders to finish;
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category 1 passes: 10,8,6,4,2,1 points
respectively to the first 6 riders to finish;
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category 2 passes: 5,3,2,1 points
respectively to the first 4 riders to finish;
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category 3 passes or hills
: 2, 1 points,
respectively to the first 2 riders to finish;
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category 4 passes: 1 point to the first rider
to finish.
Points awarded are doubled for finishing on the 10th, 13th, 14th, 17th and 18th stages.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by olmania » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:38 pm

I think I did set stage 12 as flat ;)

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Rockstar Inc » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:51 pm

just to be sure and make it clear...no time bonus awarded ;)
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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:02 pm

Leso very very very little problem, the 15th rider for the SI doesn't take his point. And for tomorrow miss the SI and the cobbles.

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Rockstar Inc » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:18 pm

Good is missing his 50 points for today :(
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Re: TDF 2014

Post by Pokemon Club » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:49 pm

Rockstar Inc wrote:Good is missing his 50 points for today :(
no double points ? :D

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by cataracs » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:22 am

no one needs double points :mrgreen:

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Re: TDF 2014

Post by lesossies » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:43 am

No
too much work

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