Le Tour 2012

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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by lesossies » Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:45 am

Zentaron wrote:Can someone take me out of my TdF if the system isn't changed? Why I should waste my time and money for a tour where I at least ride for nothing? Why I took a team built around a 96 sprinter to this tour when he isn't able to ride for the thing he is paid for?
I dont understand, you can allways win some stages and the green jersey.

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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Zentaron » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:22 am

Green jersey is impossible with the normal points we have here at RSF. And one or two stages are not really worth wasting my time three weeks.
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:13 am

Zentaron wrote:Can someone take me out of my TdF if the system isn't changed? Why I should waste my time and money for a tour where I at least ride for nothing? Why I took a team built around a 96 sprinter to this tour when he isn't able to ride for the thing he is paid for?
will calculate it tomorrow for my group..maybe you can put me out too...tell me, what the fuck are you thinking not to take the normal point system like in reality...especially when you changed it for the last tour?

or let me ask you leso, what the fuck is the problem to use the real system? too lazy? too difficult to implement?...if yes...why was it no problem last year?
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:08 am

The easier thing would be to change the intermediates :!:
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:30 pm

Robyklebt wrote:The easier thing would be to change the intermediates :!:
+1
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Zentaron » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:53 pm

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Robyklebt wrote:The easier thing would be to change the intermediates :!:
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by lesossies » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:38 pm

Robyklebt wrote:The easier thing would be to change the intermediates :!:
If you mean it is important, It is possible to change it. I´ll do it tonight.

For the final sprints, it is too late to change it after 2 stages.
For the reason:
I didnt see the necessity to do it, our sytem is a litte bit different but with the same tendency.

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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by skull » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:58 am

Do it.
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Rockstar Inc » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:03 am

lesossies wrote:
Robyklebt wrote:The easier thing would be to change the intermediates :!:
If you mean it is important, It is possible to change it. I´ll do it tonight.

For the final sprints, it is too late to change it after 2 stages.
For the reason:
I didnt see the necessity to do it, our sytem is a litte bit different but with the same tendence.
we have a huge difference imo, but ok...at least we should have the correct intermediates...

hm...so we won't have a maglia rosa next year at the giro? :)

but yes do it...
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:49 am

Done it seems! Thanks, right decision IMO.

We'll try to start the discussion a bit earlier next time around :D
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by AlmavivaItalia » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:20 am

Just a question now: Retroactive Modify?

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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Ronson » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:31 am

Zentaron wrote:Can someone take me out of my TdF if the system isn't changed? Why I should waste my time and money for a tour where I at least ride for nothing? Why I took a team built around a 96 sprinter to this tour when he isn't able to ride for the thing he is paid for?
hmmm, you can win some stages ... would be nice if you will stay in the TdF.

btw: The system for sprints, mountains and intermediates are the same mentioned in RSF? Or is there anything adapted? If so, where I can read the whole rules?
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:04 pm

Look at news Ronson. The normal RSF system, plus what's written in the news for the intermediates.

I actually should have read the news more thoroughly this morning:

Sorry leso, complaining again :D

20-17 etc is the real TdF intermediate system, BUT, if the rest isn't modified, that's too much. TdF flat 45 points. RSF 30 points. TdF reality HC, TT and intermediates, 20-etc. RSF mountain 15 etc. , TT, 10, intermediates now 20 etc. To keep the ratio between Flat and intermediates, HC and intermediate roughly the same as in reality, just taking the points that of a RSF HC stage for intermediate would have been better.
So, bothering you again: Change it to 15-12-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1? Which fits much better to the RSF system. Retroactive.. let's forget that, sounds complicated. Change it and we'd have 3 different systems on 3 different stages not perfect, but ok... Our fault too for not starting the topic earlier. No more changes... now it's too much, but better than before... would survive that, but a change to 15-12 etc would be better IMO.

ps: congrats for your 4th place today!

pps: Money for intermediates? Read in the chat that SM made 20k on the intermediate, maybe a bit too much? For place 7+8+10+13.... The usual would be ok actually... or some minimal money for the rest, but 20k... for these places.. .brrr... way too much.
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by lesossies » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:27 pm

Point system is not optimal, I know, but I´m fear to change too much.
For the money, the sprint winner should get the same amount than before, 6000, so I multiply the points obtained by 300 for all.

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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Zentaron » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:28 pm

Thanks for changing. If it goes to the system mentioned by the ape, it would be okay too, but at the moment, I'm very thankful you changed it that way first. :)
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Re: Le Tour 2012

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:58 pm

Yeah, change every day obviously not perfect.... ok. Just that right now it's almost the opposite, too much in the intermediates.. .but ok, it's better than before... I'll shut up now.
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