Robyklebt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:56 pm
Stage 2: Mintact either at 104 or 118 or 134.
Stage 4: Longer mintact. 190 km stage. The longer the stage, the longer the mintact makes sense. More on that later
Stage 6: First 2 sectors together 9.2 km, why make it 10? Ok, one in the middle at * to compensate?
Then I'm not completely convinced by the climbs. Second sector is 3 1 7 5 2. La Flamme rouge says the climb is 2.5 km at 6%, click on climb details and it says 3.2 km a 5.3% The 3 km are given as 5.6 6.3 3.8 Of course la Flamme rouge IMO is not the end of all, so checked myself: According to the Giro site the sector starts at 186. Donkey measurements say it then goes up 30 meters, to 217 but on plotaroute it starts at 193, but then down again to 200. The turn off to the climb is at 204 or so. After 1.2 km. Then it's a bit over 3km to the top With plotaroute 260-32x-370
With google earth: Start of the sector at 194, goes up to to 215 in 500 meters, then flat, then after 855 meters down again. 1 km would be at 205 Down to 199, then up again to the turnoff after 1.29km, at 204 altitude. Then it goes up, flattens out again, the real climb starts after 1.92 km, at 230. After 2 km we are at 239. After 3 at 310. After 4 at 362
If we go from the start of the climb, turnoff: 204 262 326-368. That would be 6 6 4. If we start the climb from 1.93 it's 7
3 1 7 5 2.... Can be done in x ways, but this somehow doesn't feel completely right.
First 1.3 km in 2 km would be 2 -1 or 3-2. to end up at 200 for the start of the climb. Then the 3.4 (my measurements give me only 4.6 or 4.7 of gravel, not 4.8 in 3 km from the turnof would be 6 6 4.
Exactly on the km would be 1 4 7 5 1
Ok spent enough time on this...
Next, the hills after that sector. On la Flamme rouge it gives some percentages (still don't trust them fully of course, but won't check) the one at km 158 says 1km a 5.8%, that should be a 6.
Last sector, in 2.4 km according to the Giro site we gain 18 meters, here in 2 km it's 0. Should be up at least 10 meters (for me, this time just plotaroute, we start the sector and finish at 300, so just 10 up ok too)
Stage 7: According to the Gazzetta the last 3 km would be 3 or 4, 2 4. Up 35 meters, 21 and 39. But ok, we finish at the right height, so ok. without change
Stage 8: First climb IMO no 12. See Giro site. 4 10 9 8 7 the first 5 km Also the slight downhill just before the top should be 2 km long, -1 followed by -2
Stage 9: Not convinced by the hills: Especially the one at km 187/188. Gazzetta site speaks of a wall at 14% (that's peak I guess). La flamme rouge says 1.1 km a 6.7%.
Looking at the profile in the editor you have strange readings there... it shows a 7, but another mountain that doesn't seem to be there before.
Couldn't resist and did another plotaroute thing... First hill, climb. IMO starts steep, 7 or even 8, then goes down, then up slowly. Down, sprint, a little rise to 30+ meters, back down to 10, the Lucrino climb, the one you have 4 3 then is a 7 on plotaroute too. Next one at 5 5 I agree. Last one I get more 7 2 4, which is what you have in the editor too, but corrected to 7 3 3
Here of course with IMO a clear additional siebkm at km 188 (IF they have the right road on la flamme rouge, but the Giro site confirms a "wall". an earlier mintact necessary
Stage 11: I plead for earlier mintact. On the 5! (Didn't check the hills)
Stage 13: same, even without 5, earlier mintact
Ah, mintact, short stages, long stages: Don't think only about the time it takes to ride a race, but about when it's sensible to have earlier/later mintact. Short stages? It's high tempo anyway, A 120 km sprint race, we don't need mintact from a gameplay point of view, it's high tempo the whole way, the likelyhood of an attack gaining 25" before somebody reacts is incredibly small.
Long stages on the other hand... 240 km flat let's say, Sprinter teams have to take it slow. Speed up as late as possible. Which opens possibilities for attackers earlier than on a 120 km stage. And in a stage race, where energy management of course is critical it's even more likely that sprinters try to speed up as late as they can. Which again makes the likelyhood of earlier attacks bigger. So long stages need longer mintact to allow for more reaction time for chasers or attackers too actually, organize their groups.
Generally on flat stages: The decisive km is 20 from the end, then mass attacks with mass following are ok. That means that clever managers try the attack BEFORE the sprinter teams speed up because that critical 20 km points comes. So mintact 30 km from the end is very sensible. The Donkey said so. So of course he demands 30 km mintacts, since that seems hopeless I'll settle with 20... just wait until the Donkey designs a stage race again!.
Stage 15: Tired, just deleted what I wrote there too... good it was only 2 lines. Seems fine. Mintact 200 would work too. Then not 30 km I know, but I rather have longer mintacts in flat stages and suffer a shorter mintact in a mountain stage where we all know nothing of importance will happen.... but 190 is fine too.
Ok, give up for today, since tomorrow on, ok ok , give up completely.
Anyway, very happy to see that we finally have a designer for the Giro that looks at the Giro info and draws accordingly!
